Scoot and Shaedon

[djFan71]

Filler + Sharpe + 11 + Best 2029 1st for White? Brown?

There was already a Brown thread, but with Deni, but I think something around Sharpe and 11 should be explored, as a Blazers fan. I dunno how high I am on it, but if other pieces are moved, while I like Sharpe a lot, I'm intrigued by a Sharpe+ for Brown deal.

The poster with that idea is one of my personal favorites, but also one of the lowest on Brown that you’ll find in Cs fandom. I sympathize with a lot of his views on JB/the financials, but they’re not necessarily held by Cs ownership. Ultimately,I don’t think POR has enough to get Brown. Nor should they. When Scoot was just #3 it was more enticing, but 2years in, not as much. Not saying he can’t become great, but he’s lost the new car smell.

Edit; didn’t realize scoot wasn’t even in this and White was. BOS doesn't consider it,imo. None of the POR assets have a reasonable chance of being as good as either of the BOS players.

[Laimbeer]

I like what's going on in Portland. They got better this season while Scoot and Shaedon are promising. Plus Avdija, Camara, and Clingan. Let that core cook a little more.

[Tim Lehrbach]

I like what's going on in Portland. They got better this season while Scoot and Shaedon are promising. Plus Avdija, Camara, and Clingan. Let that core cook a little more.

I'm in on the latter trio, for sure. And in theory you've got great young talent at every position. But everything turns on what Scoot and Shaedon are going to be. This thread takes the possibility that they aren't going to work out for Portland and asks whether there are better assets or a greater contributor out there for what Portland is trying to build.

The offers of meh draft capital miss the mark, IMO. Even though I would personally consider churning through the next round of prospects to see if they are better than Scoot and Shaedon, it's nearly impossible to imagine the Blazers agreeing. So, what I'd be interested to see here is if Portland can land a true blue chip youngster (probably not) or a very good veteran (which I would have assumed more likely, but few offers are pouring in).

The reality is Cronin and co. are almost definitely going to follow the conventional path and extend these two (and maybe Simons and Ayton, too) and let this core run its course. In fact, whether I believe it is smart or not, I expect the Blazers to push everything they consider a non-essential asset (picks, mainly) into either moving up in this draft or acquiring veteran help, then declaring the cake baked.

They won't abandon Scoot or Shaedon, I'm sure. The risk of the young guards blowing up somewhere after being traded is too great for a typical GM to stomach. But we get to mess around with ideas that aren't likely to happen here. It's just for fun, not any forecasting of future events.

[gswhoops]

Scoot and Shaedon are both in that grey area where they’ve shown enough to be worth something, but not enough (or consistently enough) for another team to surrender serious assets for.

Sharpe’s valuation is also complicated by the fact that he’s extension eligible this offseason. If I’m another team and I see that Portland (who drafted him, invested resources in developing him, and knows the most about him) would rather shop him than extend him, I’m wondering why I want to extend him and give up assets for the privilege.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Scoot and Shaedon are both in that grey area where they’ve shown enough to be worth something, but not enough (or consistently enough) for another team to surrender serious assets for.

Sharpe’s valuation is also complicated by the fact that he’s extension eligible this offseason. If I’m another team and I see that Portland (who drafted him, invested resources in developing him, and knows the most about him) would rather shop him than extend him, I’m wondering why I want to extend him and give up assets for the privilege.

For sure. It's why Portland doesn't really move them: they won't get a return with these guys' upsides. But it's still worth exploring, IMO, whether whatever they could get still turns out to be better than what these two actually become. It's a gamble Portland won't take but needs to think about before reflexively handing out extensions if they're responsible.

[gswhoops]

Scoot and Shaedon are both in that grey area where they’ve shown enough to be worth something, but not enough (or consistently enough) for another team to surrender serious assets for.

Sharpe’s valuation is also complicated by the fact that he’s extension eligible this offseason. If I’m another team and I see that Portland (who drafted him, invested resources in developing him, and knows the most about him) would rather shop him than extend him, I’m wondering why I want to extend him and give up assets for the privilege.

For sure. It's why Portland doesn't really move them: they won't get a return with these guys' upsides. But it's still worth exploring, IMO, whether whatever they could get still turns out to be better than what these two actually become. It's a gamble Portland won't take but needs to think about before reflexively handing out extensions if they're responsible.

Yeah agree. There's relatively little upside to being right (you get a non-lottery first and get back on the development carousel at step 1, but with a less pedigreed prospect) and big downside to being wrong (you give up a core guy for pennies on the dollar) so these guys tend to not get moved.

[JMAC3]

Scoot, Sharpe, 11th and Ayton for Trae Young and 22

Blazers have the defenders in place to make Trae work and they could still add a solid young contributor this draft at 22.

Atlanta has a decision on Trae extension coming up. Ayton is a good stop gap at center as expiring. Atlanta would have 11 and 13 post trade plus two young guards.

[Case2012]

Would ORL entertain a Suggs for Sharpe or Scoot swap? What would that look like?

[BlazersBroncos]

Would ORL entertain a Suggs for Sharpe or Scoot swap? What would that look like?

I dont think the value is off personally, but it would be an odd direction for ORL to take IMO. They have a core that on paper should be a HCA team, moving Suggs for 2 swings in Scoot and Sharpe is a odd quasi-reset for them IMO.

Not sure I move the potential of both those guys for a elite 3-D but probably not top-3 option type in Suggs either.

I think Scoot and Sharpe are in that category of 'worth more to the team that drafted them, by a good margin, than any other team'.

My hope would be to get Sharpe and Camara locked into extensions this offseason. Something around ~20M AV for each of them. Easier said than done obviously.

I also think clearly we need to see a full season of Scoot starting to clearly evaluate him. He improved quite a bit last season, albeit that improvement was on a historically putrid rookie campaign. If he makes similar gains shooting Y2 to Y3 as he did Y1 to Y2 your looking at -

FG
Y1 .385
Y2 .419 (+.034)
Y3 .453 (+.034)

3PT
Y1 .325
Y2 .354 (+.029)
Y3 .383 (+.029)

And suddenly he is a respectable shooter. Notable also his rim shooting (0-3) improved from .503 to .590 Y1 to Y2. He clearly is getting a better feel for finishing at the rim - something that he was remarkably bad at as a rookie. IDK, some signs of life.

[Myth]

Scoot, Sharpe, 11th and Ayton for Trae Young and 22

Blazers have the defenders in place to make Trae work and they could still add a solid young contributor this draft at 22.

Atlanta has a decision on Trae extension coming up. Ayton is a good stop gap at center as expiring. Atlanta would have 11 and 13 post trade plus two young guards.

I kind of like this.