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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1721 » by batterybro42 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 6:10 pm

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Makes no sense for them to give up their war chest before they see if Wemby can really go. They have time and a bunch of flexibility to build their team out for contention. Personally it is a reason I think they should be exploring moving Fox for even more draft capital.

I know everybody wants to downplay it and the media doesn’t want to create hysteria around its most marketable young asset but a person that size with blood clot issues this early is not a good sign no matter what spin they want to slap on it. Very rarely is that an isolated freak incident. Heat fans should know that better than anybody.

The Spurs still have the ability to pivot out of a disaster like that but if they cash in the chips too early these years of strategic tanking will have been for nothing. They are also breaking in a rookie HC this is a time to be conservative and see the hand they actually have before jumping into the deep end of the pool.
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Post#1722 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Jun 13, 2025 6:25 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1725 » by twix2500 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 6:42 pm

So Heats assets are not as bad as everyone WANTS them to be
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1727 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Jun 13, 2025 6:46 pm

Shams is now saying it’s starting to feel like the next few days as opposed to next week or the draft
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1728 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Jun 13, 2025 6:47 pm

twix2500 wrote:So Heats assets are not as bad as everyone WANTS them to be


Been saying this. For the first time in a while we actually have a decent amount of assets, just because we don’t have OKC assets doesn’t mean we don’t have any
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1729 » by twix2500 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 6:47 pm

If this is Duncan, Wiggins and the 20th pick, the Heat will have tons of trading pawns left
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1730 » by twix2500 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 6:48 pm

I really do not trust Suns owner thou
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Post#1733 » by Kobewade11 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:19 pm

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If these are truly the 3 teams it comes down to I give us a 50/50 shot. I cant see Minny coming up with the right combo of contracts to entice PHX but I know they're trying. Houston is interesting because if motivated, they can offer Reed, Whitmore, and Jabari, but need a larger contract to make the math add up (Brooks?)
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1734 » by SA37 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:21 pm

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Daffy wrote:I think people are really selling KD short for what he would do to this roster. He slides Bam and Herro into their natural fits as #2 and #3 options. You go into FA and find a cheap bargain scorer off the bench like a Bruce Brown, Gary Trent etc it helps our offense tremendously and in turn a lot of those leads we blew we don't. We have enough defenders. We need a shot in the arm of offensive players and Spo to also get more creative with the offense.

Ware will be another year developed and in the gym added muscle. The Bam and Ware pairing has potential to terrorize teams defensively.


This.

Durant is still a top-10 player in the NBA and this gets hand-waved away in favor of "MoAaArRr MiNuTeS 4 LaRRSSooon and dRu". Why? "cUz 37". It's insanity.

A lot of what Miami could do next depends on whether a deal for Durant is centered around Wiggins/Robinson/Jaquez or Rozier/Robinson/Jaquez, but Miami has historically been good at getting the Chris Pauls, Bruce Browns, Gary Trents...etc to take less.

Boston will be a weaker team next year, and Indiana and NY are beatable teams. Philadelphia will likely be healthier and very tough, but Miami can give all these teams a run for their money if Miami gets Durant and all the youngins play as well in reality is they do in the collective RealGM Heat board posters' fantasies.

IMO, if Miami gets Durant, the Heat will put the full-court-press on Chris Paul. If Paul won't come, Miami could look to Tyus Jones, Denis Schroder, or Tre Jones. Trent Jr, Bruce Brown, Tim Hardaway Jr, Eric Gordon, Seth Curry, are targets Miami could revisit if Burks can't be brought back.

Anderson / Jovic / Rozier / Highsmith could be shopped for an upgrade at a position of need, basically bench scoring.

If Miami somehow got Durant and added Paul and Brook Lopez +, that would be an ideal outcome for a 2-year run.

Lopez / Ware / Love
Adebayo / Jovic / Anderson
Durant / Highsmith
Herro / Burks / Larsson
Paul / Mitchell or Tyus Jones (?)


Generally agree.

While I still don't expect Miami to end up with Durant, it's a fun topic to explore the bball dynamics. If Miami can pull it off, a second move will be a priority. The avenues to do it will likely be (1) a second trade with the expiring Terry contract plus... and/or (2) bargain hunting for a vet min.

On point 1, while I've generally dismissed any Demar Derozan buzz, it might just make real sense if its in pairing with a Durant deal and Sacramento just wants to get off the multiple years remaining on Derozan's deal to instead get an expiring. Derozan is a flawed player and isn't a great defender, but he still does a bit of everything and has plus positional size and versatility. Derozan has had playmaking roles throughout his career when called upon.

This is kind of fascinating:

Each of the past 5 seasons, Derozan has been top 20 in the NBA in points per possession as a pick and roll ballhandler (7th this season and 9th last season). He has been over 1 ppp each of these past 5 seasons ( over 5 possessions per game in each of these seasons). Even more interesting, KD has been above 1 point per possession in 4 of the past 5 seasons (#2 in the NBA in 2023 and #4 in the NBA in 2022).

Point Derozan is kind of a thing in a part-time function as he does some of his best work on the ball.

A lot of interesting possibilities with a core of Durant, Bam, Herro, Derozan, Ware, Mitchell with support from Larsson, Highsmith, Anderson, etc.

I can dig this:

Mitchell - Vet PG
Herro - Larsson
Durant - Derozan - Highsmith
Bam - Derozan - Anderson
Ware - Bam


Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook (who just opted out) would be the front runners for the PG position.

DeRozan probably doesn't make sense, but I don't know Miami could pass on swapping Robinson or Rozier + a pick/pick swap/young player (likely Larsson or Highsmith) for him.

According to Shams Miami seems to be in the top-3 of KD suitors with the Rockets and Timberwolves as the other two teams.

I'll guess Minnesota is likely offering Julius Randle or Rudy Gobert + DDV & DIllingham ; Houston is likely offering Brooks, Whitmore, Sheppard, and possibly a pick. If that is relatively correct, Miami likely has to offer Wiggins, Robinson/Rozier, & Jaquez + #20 and pick swap to be competitive. Perhaps Miami is talking to Brooklyn to see if they'll give back the 1-2 Suns picks for Robinson, Jaquez, and #20.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1735 » by heatwillbeback » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:21 pm

Houston concerns me because of Reed Sheppard. If he is offered, he would beat any of our assets.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1736 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:22 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1737 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:23 pm

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This.

Durant is still a top-10 player in the NBA and this gets hand-waved away in favor of "MoAaArRr MiNuTeS 4 LaRRSSooon and dRu". Why? "cUz 37". It's insanity.

A lot of what Miami could do next depends on whether a deal for Durant is centered around Wiggins/Robinson/Jaquez or Rozier/Robinson/Jaquez, but Miami has historically been good at getting the Chris Pauls, Bruce Browns, Gary Trents...etc to take less.

Boston will be a weaker team next year, and Indiana and NY are beatable teams. Philadelphia will likely be healthier and very tough, but Miami can give all these teams a run for their money if Miami gets Durant and all the youngins play as well in reality is they do in the collective RealGM Heat board posters' fantasies.

IMO, if Miami gets Durant, the Heat will put the full-court-press on Chris Paul. If Paul won't come, Miami could look to Tyus Jones, Denis Schroder, or Tre Jones. Trent Jr, Bruce Brown, Tim Hardaway Jr, Eric Gordon, Seth Curry, are targets Miami could revisit if Burks can't be brought back.

Anderson / Jovic / Rozier / Highsmith could be shopped for an upgrade at a position of need, basically bench scoring.

If Miami somehow got Durant and added Paul and Brook Lopez +, that would be an ideal outcome for a 2-year run.

Lopez / Ware / Love
Adebayo / Jovic / Anderson
Durant / Highsmith
Herro / Burks / Larsson
Paul / Mitchell or Tyus Jones (?)


Generally agree.

While I still don't expect Miami to end up with Durant, it's a fun topic to explore the bball dynamics. If Miami can pull it off, a second move will be a priority. The avenues to do it will likely be (1) a second trade with the expiring Terry contract plus... and/or (2) bargain hunting for a vet min.

On point 1, while I've generally dismissed any Demar Derozan buzz, it might just make real sense if its in pairing with a Durant deal and Sacramento just wants to get off the multiple years remaining on Derozan's deal to instead get an expiring. Derozan is a flawed player and isn't a great defender, but he still does a bit of everything and has plus positional size and versatility. Derozan has had playmaking roles throughout his career when called upon.

This is kind of fascinating:

Each of the past 5 seasons, Derozan has been top 20 in the NBA in points per possession as a pick and roll ballhandler (7th this season and 9th last season). He has been over 1 ppp each of these past 5 seasons ( over 5 possessions per game in each of these seasons). Even more interesting, KD has been above 1 point per possession in 4 of the past 5 seasons (#2 in the NBA in 2023 and #4 in the NBA in 2022).

Point Derozan is kind of a thing in a part-time function as he does some of his best work on the ball.

A lot of interesting possibilities with a core of Durant, Bam, Herro, Derozan, Ware, Mitchell with support from Larsson, Highsmith, Anderson, etc.

I can dig this:

Mitchell - Vet PG
Herro - Larsson
Durant - Derozan - Highsmith
Bam - Derozan - Anderson
Ware - Bam


Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook (who just opted out) would be the front runners for the PG position.

DeRozan probably doesn't make sense, but I don't know Miami could pass on swapping Robinson or Rozier + a pick/pick swap/young player (likely Larsson or Highsmith) for him.

According to Shams Miami seems to be in the top-3 of KD suitors with the Rockets and Timberwolves as the other two teams.

I'll guess Minnesota is likely offering Julius Randle or Rudy Gobert + DDV & DIllingham ; Houston is likely offering Brooks, Whitmore, Sheppard, and possibly a pick. If that is relatively correct, Miami likely has to offer Wiggins, Robinson/Rozier, & Jaquez + #20 and pick swap to be competitive. Perhaps Miami is talking to Brooklyn to see if they'll give back the 1-2 Suns picks for Robinson, Jaquez, and #20.


I was just thinking if we get KD we might get the Westbrook reunion lol.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1738 » by SA37 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:24 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Bruce Brown
Gary Trent
Brook Lopez
Tim Hardaway
Brogdon
Tyus Jones
Levert
Schroder
Adams
CP0
Horford
Lonnie Walker
Dennis Smith

These are all guys we should be looking at to fill out the roster this summer. Preferably the 2 way guys, majority if these guys add something on both ends. A lot of them are scrappy players in which we’ve seen the importance of in these playoffs.


Despite the chaos this will cause, you've got to throw Westbrook into this mix.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1739 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:25 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1740 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:27 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Bruce Brown
Gary Trent
Brook Lopez
Tim Hardaway
Brogdon
Tyus Jones
Levert
Schroder
Adams
CP0
Horford
Lonnie Walker
Dennis Smith

These are all guys we should be looking at to fill out the roster this summer. Preferably the 2 way guys, majority if these guys add something on both ends. A lot of them are scrappy players in which we’ve seen the importance of in these playoffs.


Despite the chaos this will cause, you've got to throw Westbrook into this mix.


Honestly wasn’t anticipating him opting out. He flamed out against the Thunder but he was huge in the clutch to help the Nuggets beat the clippers. He made several key plays, kind of found himself again in Denver which is why I’m shocked he’s leaving
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