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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1741 » by greg4012 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:29 pm

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This.

Durant is still a top-10 player in the NBA and this gets hand-waved away in favor of "MoAaArRr MiNuTeS 4 LaRRSSooon and dRu". Why? "cUz 37". It's insanity.

A lot of what Miami could do next depends on whether a deal for Durant is centered around Wiggins/Robinson/Jaquez or Rozier/Robinson/Jaquez, but Miami has historically been good at getting the Chris Pauls, Bruce Browns, Gary Trents...etc to take less.

Boston will be a weaker team next year, and Indiana and NY are beatable teams. Philadelphia will likely be healthier and very tough, but Miami can give all these teams a run for their money if Miami gets Durant and all the youngins play as well in reality is they do in the collective RealGM Heat board posters' fantasies.

IMO, if Miami gets Durant, the Heat will put the full-court-press on Chris Paul. If Paul won't come, Miami could look to Tyus Jones, Denis Schroder, or Tre Jones. Trent Jr, Bruce Brown, Tim Hardaway Jr, Eric Gordon, Seth Curry, are targets Miami could revisit if Burks can't be brought back.

Anderson / Jovic / Rozier / Highsmith could be shopped for an upgrade at a position of need, basically bench scoring.

If Miami somehow got Durant and added Paul and Brook Lopez +, that would be an ideal outcome for a 2-year run.

Lopez / Ware / Love
Adebayo / Jovic / Anderson
Durant / Highsmith
Herro / Burks / Larsson
Paul / Mitchell or Tyus Jones (?)


Generally agree.

While I still don't expect Miami to end up with Durant, it's a fun topic to explore the bball dynamics. If Miami can pull it off, a second move will be a priority. The avenues to do it will likely be (1) a second trade with the expiring Terry contract plus... and/or (2) bargain hunting for a vet min.

On point 1, while I've generally dismissed any Demar Derozan buzz, it might just make real sense if its in pairing with a Durant deal and Sacramento just wants to get off the multiple years remaining on Derozan's deal to instead get an expiring. Derozan is a flawed player and isn't a great defender, but he still does a bit of everything and has plus positional size and versatility. Derozan has had playmaking roles throughout his career when called upon.

This is kind of fascinating:

Each of the past 5 seasons, Derozan has been top 20 in the NBA in points per possession as a pick and roll ballhandler (7th this season and 9th last season). He has been over 1 ppp each of these past 5 seasons ( over 5 possessions per game in each of these seasons). Even more interesting, KD has been above 1 point per possession in 4 of the past 5 seasons (#2 in the NBA in 2023 and #4 in the NBA in 2022).

Point Derozan is kind of a thing in a part-time function as he does some of his best work on the ball.

A lot of interesting possibilities with a core of Durant, Bam, Herro, Derozan, Ware, Mitchell with support from Larsson, Highsmith, Anderson, etc.

I can dig this:

Mitchell - Vet PG
Herro - Larsson
Durant - Derozan - Highsmith
Bam - Derozan - Anderson
Ware - Bam


Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook (who just opted out) would be the front runners for the PG position.

DeRozan probably doesn't make sense, but I don't know Miami could pass on swapping Robinson or Rozier + a pick/pick swap/young player (likely Larsson or Highsmith) for him.

According to Shams Miami seems to be in the top-3 of KD suitors with the Rockets and Timberwolves as the other two teams.

I'll guess Minnesota is likely offering Julius Randle or Rudy Gobert + DDV & DIllingham ; Houston is likely offering Brooks, Whitmore, Sheppard, and possibly a pick. If that is relatively correct, Miami likely has to offer Wiggins, Robinson/Rozier, & Jaquez + #20 and pick swap to be competitive. Perhaps Miami is talking to Brooklyn to see if they'll give back the 1-2 Suns picks for Robinson, Jaquez, and #20.


Yea was thinking about Westbrook earlier today. I saw he opted out. Was he on a minimum deal?
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1742 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:31 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1743 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:32 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1744 » by SA37 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:32 pm

twix2500 wrote:If this is Duncan, Wiggins and the 20th pick, the Heat will have tons of trading pawns left


I think it'll take one more piece, whether a 1st, a swap, Anderson, Jaquez -- potentially with him going to Brooklyn for one of the Suns' picks back or at least with some protections added -- because of the potential offers from Houston/San Antonio.

Miami's offer has to get Phoenix under the 2nd apron, imo.

Would Phoenix actually want a declining, meh player like Gobert for ~$40/m a season? I just have a hard time seeing Minnesota coming up with a really good offer. Houston can put together a good offer, but they'll hold back their best youngins. Sheppard showed very little last year and Whitmore isn't a clearly better prospect than Jaquez.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1745 » by SA37 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:33 pm

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Generally agree.

While I still don't expect Miami to end up with Durant, it's a fun topic to explore the bball dynamics. If Miami can pull it off, a second move will be a priority. The avenues to do it will likely be (1) a second trade with the expiring Terry contract plus... and/or (2) bargain hunting for a vet min.

On point 1, while I've generally dismissed any Demar Derozan buzz, it might just make real sense if its in pairing with a Durant deal and Sacramento just wants to get off the multiple years remaining on Derozan's deal to instead get an expiring. Derozan is a flawed player and isn't a great defender, but he still does a bit of everything and has plus positional size and versatility. Derozan has had playmaking roles throughout his career when called upon.

This is kind of fascinating:

Each of the past 5 seasons, Derozan has been top 20 in the NBA in points per possession as a pick and roll ballhandler (7th this season and 9th last season). He has been over 1 ppp each of these past 5 seasons ( over 5 possessions per game in each of these seasons). Even more interesting, KD has been above 1 point per possession in 4 of the past 5 seasons (#2 in the NBA in 2023 and #4 in the NBA in 2022).

Point Derozan is kind of a thing in a part-time function as he does some of his best work on the ball.

A lot of interesting possibilities with a core of Durant, Bam, Herro, Derozan, Ware, Mitchell with support from Larsson, Highsmith, Anderson, etc.

I can dig this:

Mitchell - Vet PG
Herro - Larsson
Durant - Derozan - Highsmith
Bam - Derozan - Anderson
Ware - Bam


Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook (who just opted out) would be the front runners for the PG position.

DeRozan probably doesn't make sense, but I don't know Miami could pass on swapping Robinson or Rozier + a pick/pick swap/young player (likely Larsson or Highsmith) for him.

According to Shams Miami seems to be in the top-3 of KD suitors with the Rockets and Timberwolves as the other two teams.

I'll guess Minnesota is likely offering Julius Randle or Rudy Gobert + DDV & DIllingham ; Houston is likely offering Brooks, Whitmore, Sheppard, and possibly a pick. If that is relatively correct, Miami likely has to offer Wiggins, Robinson/Rozier, & Jaquez + #20 and pick swap to be competitive. Perhaps Miami is talking to Brooklyn to see if they'll give back the 1-2 Suns picks for Robinson, Jaquez, and #20.


Yea was thinking about Westbrook earlier today. I saw he opted out. Was he on a minimum deal?


Yes, he was. I didn't think he'd leave Denver, but if he's opted out, I assume he's thinking of leaving.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1746 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:33 pm

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Generally agree.

While I still don't expect Miami to end up with Durant, it's a fun topic to explore the bball dynamics. If Miami can pull it off, a second move will be a priority. The avenues to do it will likely be (1) a second trade with the expiring Terry contract plus... and/or (2) bargain hunting for a vet min.

On point 1, while I've generally dismissed any Demar Derozan buzz, it might just make real sense if its in pairing with a Durant deal and Sacramento just wants to get off the multiple years remaining on Derozan's deal to instead get an expiring. Derozan is a flawed player and isn't a great defender, but he still does a bit of everything and has plus positional size and versatility. Derozan has had playmaking roles throughout his career when called upon.

This is kind of fascinating:

Each of the past 5 seasons, Derozan has been top 20 in the NBA in points per possession as a pick and roll ballhandler (7th this season and 9th last season). He has been over 1 ppp each of these past 5 seasons ( over 5 possessions per game in each of these seasons). Even more interesting, KD has been above 1 point per possession in 4 of the past 5 seasons (#2 in the NBA in 2023 and #4 in the NBA in 2022).

Point Derozan is kind of a thing in a part-time function as he does some of his best work on the ball.

A lot of interesting possibilities with a core of Durant, Bam, Herro, Derozan, Ware, Mitchell with support from Larsson, Highsmith, Anderson, etc.

I can dig this:

Mitchell - Vet PG
Herro - Larsson
Durant - Derozan - Highsmith
Bam - Derozan - Anderson
Ware - Bam


Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook (who just opted out) would be the front runners for the PG position.

DeRozan probably doesn't make sense, but I don't know Miami could pass on swapping Robinson or Rozier + a pick/pick swap/young player (likely Larsson or Highsmith) for him.

According to Shams Miami seems to be in the top-3 of KD suitors with the Rockets and Timberwolves as the other two teams.

I'll guess Minnesota is likely offering Julius Randle or Rudy Gobert + DDV & DIllingham ; Houston is likely offering Brooks, Whitmore, Sheppard, and possibly a pick. If that is relatively correct, Miami likely has to offer Wiggins, Robinson/Rozier, & Jaquez + #20 and pick swap to be competitive. Perhaps Miami is talking to Brooklyn to see if they'll give back the 1-2 Suns picks for Robinson, Jaquez, and #20.


Yea was thinking about Westbrook earlier today. I saw he opted out. Was he on a minimum deal?

Westbrook was making around 4 mil about the same kind of deal Kevin Love is on. Jeff Schwartz is his agent so very well could be on our radar to reunite with Durant for one last twilight run.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1747 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:35 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1748 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:37 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1749 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:38 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1750 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:39 pm

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We are getting close. Will be announced after finals. Can’t take the shine away from finals.


Idk, we’ve gained a lot of steam in the last hour or so. They may like the extra coverage during the finals honestly
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1751 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:41 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1752 » by Shewasfly » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:41 pm

Is Davion at all a piece that could be included in the trade to the Suns? If so, isn't it something to consider?

It just seems like whatever we offer is going to be centered around Jovic since Ware isn't on the table. And something just tells me its better to try to keep him. Idk. Maybe I'm putting too much on Jovic's potential & his fit. But even if just keeping him for a future trade. I think he's our last piece outside of Herro & Bam with true upside that can be enticing to teams? Something about giving him up in a KD trade bothers me.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1753 » by twix2500 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:42 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1754 » by heatwillbeback » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:42 pm

Shewasfly wrote:Is Davion at all a piece that could be included in the trade to the Suns? If so, isn't it something to consider?

It just seems like whatever we offer is going to be centered around Jovic since Ware isn't on the table. And something just tells me its better to try to keep him. Idk. Maybe I'm putting too much on Jovic's potential & his fit. But even if just for a future trade. I think he's our last piece outside of Herro & Bam with true upside that can be enticing to teams? Something about giving him up in a KD trade bothers me.


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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1755 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:43 pm

Shewasfly wrote:Is Davion at all a piece that could be included in the trade to the Suns? If so, isn't it something to consider?

It just seems like whatever we offer is going to be centered around Jovic since Ware isn't on the table. And something just tells me its better to try to keep him. Idk. Maybe I'm putting too much on Jovic's potential & his fit. But even if just for a future trade. I think he's our last piece outside of Herro & Bam with true upside that can be enticing to teams? Something about giving him up in a KD trade bothers me.

Don’t think so. No S&T’s for the Suns. All indications from Mitchell’s social’s is he’s operating like he’s got a deal already in hand to come back here. He be walking the street’s in his Heat jersey lol
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1756 » by Shewasfly » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:44 pm

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Shewasfly wrote:Is Davion at all a piece that could be included in the trade to the Suns? If so, isn't it something to consider?

It just seems like whatever we offer is going to be centered around Jovic since Ware isn't on the table. And something just tells me its better to try to keep him. Idk. Maybe I'm putting too much on Jovic's potential & his fit. But even if just for a future trade. I think he's our last piece outside of Herro & Bam with true upside that can be enticing to teams? Something about giving him up in a KD trade bothers me.


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Jovi it is then.

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1757 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:47 pm

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Shewasfly wrote:Is Davion at all a piece that could be included in the trade to the Suns? If so, isn't it something to consider?

It just seems like whatever we offer is going to be centered around Jovic since Ware isn't on the table. And something just tells me its better to try to keep him. Idk. Maybe I'm putting too much on Jovic's potential & his fit. But even if just for a future trade. I think he's our last piece outside of Herro & Bam with true upside that can be enticing to teams? Something about giving him up in a KD trade bothers me.


A player in a sign and trade can’t be combined with other salary.


Jovi it is then.

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1758 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:47 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1759 » by Dave01 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:47 pm

If and big IF we were to land KD, I think the vets I would like the Heat to sign would be both Brook Lopez & Chris Paul. While Chris Paul is 40YO and I doubt he'll be that playable for much longer, but weirder things have happened, I think his experience and ability to potentially aid both Herro & Mitchell in developing and refining their skills would be a boon. Brook Lopez being a 7ft C who has 3pt Range is just doubling down on Bam being at the 4 and having our choice when Bam sits down to have KD with either Brook or Ware (I assume we try our hardest to keep him) at 5.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#1760 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:48 pm

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