Rumors, Random Thoughts, and non-Threadworthy Posts 18.0 Dave Cowens drove a taxi

[SkyHook]

When comparing player stats on BBREF (or NBA.com), I find the default of "when table is sorted, hide non-qualifiers for rate stats" to be a bit too limiting. I filter at 500 minutes or sometimes 1000 (12 mpg x 41 or 82 games) to weed out the smallest sample outliers. Does anyone else have something else that they prefer in general terms?

I think 800 Minutes is a good starting point. Around 10 Minutes for a player playing more of the season is filtering out garbage time minutes. Sometimes when you get to 500 Minutes you get "first guy off the bench in garbage time" or something similar.

For example, players with over 500 Minutes includes Dillon Brooks/Ajay Mitchell/Cam Reddish/Rob Dillingham, all players whose statistical profile is essentially meaningless considering how few of those 500 minutes were meaningful NBA minutes.

At 800 minutes you get guys like Marcus Sasser who were clearly part of a teams rotation.

1,000 is also a good point. This year you miss a lot of guys where 800 doesn't, like Chet/Iver/Sharpe/Miller/GPII who all are relevant in statistical rankings.

Thanks, this is excellent feedback.

[TheNetsFan]

That doesn't get you from #26 to #17, unfortunately.

Can you back that up? Past precedent would indicate it's not that far off.
In 2019, 24+33 were traded for #20.
In 2017, 15+20 were traded for #10.
In 2015, 31+36+future 2nd were traded for #24.

Based on the above precedent, I'd argue #26+#27 should get you to about #19-#20. Taking on salary should get you another couple of spots.

It depends on the draft.

Last year, for example, #28+#56+2 Future 2nds were traded for #22.
But, in 2022, #29+Future 2nds were traded for #26.
In the same draft, #22+#26 were traded for #19.

It ultimately depends on who is available at #17. I don't see Minnesota, who owns #31, having interest in breaking up #17 for #26 and #27. Maybe another team would (or could) value the two later 1sts for a more premium asset like #17.

In a KD to Minnesota trade, which was the basis for the hypothetical, #17 would presumably be heading to PHX or a third team. The question would be whether PHX would want multiple picks and tax savings in this scenario. Breaking the pick into two could also bridge a potential value discrepancy if one existed, e.g. #26 to PHX and #27 to MIN.

[Klomp]

Shams saying it's Houston, Minny and Miami still in the mix for KD.

As I've said a lot my offer is Jalen/Dillon/10 for KD. What are Miami and Wolves offers to top that?

The best offer for a team whose best player is a SG is an offer where the return leads with two SGs?

[Klomp]

Would Brooklyn be foolish enough to think they can make an enormous jump into the playoffs next year? I know they've had moments where they think quite highly of themselves, and with how wide open the East will likely be, I wonder if a floor-raising target like Rudy Gobert would interest them? As I'm typing I just remembered that D'Angelo was there, which likely makes the idea dead on arrival, but I'm going through with the post anyways....

[Godaddycurse]

Would Brooklyn be foolish enough to think they can make an enormous jump into the playoffs next year? I know they've had moments where they think quite highly of themselves, and with how wide open the East will likely be, I wonder if a floor-raising target like Rudy Gobert would interest them? As I'm typing I just remembered that D'Angelo was there, which likely makes the idea dead on arrival, but I'm going through with the post anyways....

They traded phoenix firsts to get own pick back next year so doubt it

[MoreyWins]

Shams saying it's Houston, Minny and Miami still in the mix for KD.

As I've said a lot my offer is Jalen/Dillon/10 for KD. What are Miami and Wolves offers to top that?

The best offer for a team whose best player is a SG is an offer where the return leads with two SGs?

Dillon Brooks has played SF for most of his career. He's one of the better 3&D wings in the league. Add the #10 pick and you can draft for positional need.

[hoopsfan777]

Would San Antonio or OKC take Dejounte Murray and Herb Jones for salary matching players and pick #14 or #15?

[moss_is_1]

Last year, for example, #28+#56+2 Future 2nds were traded for #22.
But, in 2022, #29+Future 2nds were traded for #26.
In the same draft, #22+#26 were traded for #19.

It ultimately depends on who is available at #17. I don't see Minnesota, who owns #31, having interest in breaking up #17 for #26 and #27. Maybe another team would (or could) value the two later 1sts for a more premium asset like #17.

Wolves gm had mentioned that they don't see a big difference in talent for #17 and #31. maybe they deal 31 in a trade for KD(or someone else), and end up wanting 2 rookies they could move back from #17.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Would San Antonio or OKC take Dejounte Murray and Herb Jones for salary matching players and pick #14 or #15?

Absolutely not.

[enzino]

what about this?

BOS out: Jrue Holiday, Prozingis, Pritchard, D. White, Pritchard, #28, #32, 3 future FRPs
BOS in: Lo.Ball, La.Ball, Kel'el Ware

CHA out: La.Ball, J. Okogie
CHA in: Prozingis, D. White, #16, 3 future FRPs

MIA out: Kel'el Ware, T. Rozier, K. Love
MIA in: Jrue Holiday, J. Okogie, #28

CHI out: Lo.Ball
CHI in: T. Rozier, K. Love, #32

ORL out: #16
ORL in: Pritchard

[dcstanley]

[Charania] "The focus of the Suns' conversation has been on a few of the teams and here they are: the Houston Rockets, the Miami Heat, and the Minnesota Timberwolves."

https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1laloio/charania_the_focus_of_the_suns_conversation_has/

Of these teams, which do you think has the highest championship odds with KD?

[HadAnEffectHere]

The Timberwolves just because they've made it past the first round with their core (to back to back WCFs in fact)

[SkyHook]

what about this?

BOS out: Jrue Holiday, Prozingis, Pritchard, D. White, Pritchard, #28, #32, 3 future FRPs
BOS in: Lo.Ball, La.Ball, Kel'el Ware

CHA out: La.Ball, J. Okogie
CHA in: Prozingis, D. White, #16, 3 future FRPs

MIA out: Kel'el Ware, T. Rozier, K. Love
MIA in: Jrue Holiday, J. Okogie, #28

CHI out: Lo.Ball
CHI in: T. Rozier, K. Love, #32

ORL out: #16
ORL in: Pritchard

Wow, that's really ugly for the Celtics.

[ReggiesKnicks]

what about this?

BOS out: Jrue Holiday, Prozingis, Pritchard, D. White, Pritchard, #28, #32, 3 future FRPs
BOS in: Lo.Ball, La.Ball, Kel'el Ware

CHA out: La.Ball, J. Okogie
CHA in: Prozingis, D. White, #16, 3 future FRPs

MIA out: Kel'el Ware, T. Rozier, K. Love
MIA in: Jrue Holiday, J. Okogie, #28

CHI out: Lo.Ball
CHI in: T. Rozier, K. Love, #32

ORL out: #16
ORL in: Pritchard

This is really bad for Boston.

The value is so good for Charlotte they would need to make this deal if offered.

Miami shouldn't be trading Ware for Rozier. Take out Ware and replace him with #20.

Chicago can't take on this much salary, but they can match with Huerter or Collins.

Selling high for Pritchard, but I like it. Orlando needs outgoing salary for the sake of avoiding the tax.

[Domejandro]

You'd have to work out a sign and trade for Randle, can't imagine he opts in

If he's going to Phoenix he might opt in. No one is going to be able to pay him on the open market this season.

I would guess Randle opts in, and takes his chances with '26 free agency when many more teams have money to spend. He has no leverage this year.

My expectation is that Julius Randle would opt-in early with the expectation of the other team offering him an extension.

[Klomp]

[Charania] "The focus of the Suns' conversation has been on a few of the teams and here they are: the Houston Rockets, the Miami Heat, and the Minnesota Timberwolves."

https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1laloio/charania_the_focus_of_the_suns_conversation_has/

Of these teams, which do you think has the highest championship odds with KD?

The Timberwolves just because they've made it past the first round with their core (to back to back WCFs in fact)

I would agree, though I'm willing to allow someone to argue for Miami for the mere fact that they're in the East.

[Karmaloop]

Is Jalen Green positive, neutral, or negative value?

[jayjaysee]

Shams saying it's Houston, Minny and Miami still in the mix for KD.

As I've said a lot my offer is Jalen/Dillon/10 for KD. What are Miami and Wolves offers to top that?

How much more valuable is Randle than Green to a team with Booker and Beal?

Miami I don’t really know what their offer would be. Think they’d be trying to keep Bam, Ware, Wiggins, and Herro? And offer just about everything else? No idea.

[Godaddycurse]

Is Jalen Green positive, neutral, or negative value?

Negative to most, some may consider him neutral

[daoneandonly]

Shams saying it's Houston, Minny and Miami still in the mix for KD.

As I've said a lot my offer is Jalen/Dillon/10 for KD. What are Miami and Wolves offers to top that?

Not asking Phx to take on trash money in Green. So Houston gets to dump 2 guys that are overpaid, one who flat out sucks, and the #10 turns into KD?