(KD to Miami) Phoenix/Miami/Denver/Brookyln

[youngthegiant]

Phoenix Trades: Kevin Durant
Receives: Michael Porter Jr., Miami 2031 1st rd pick unprotected, Denver 2031 1st rd pick unprotected

Miami Trades: Andrew Wiggins, Nikola Jovic, Duncan Robinson, 2031 Unprotected 1st
Receives: Kevin Durant

Denver Trades: 2031 Unprotected 1st Rd pick, Michael Porter Jr.
Receives: Andrew Wiggins, Nikola Jovic

Brooklyn Trades: Read Below
Receives: #Duncan Robinson, TBD??

Why:

Phoenix sheds 16 million in salary and gets back a reliable 3rd option from a championship team in MPJ, who fits the Booker timeline. They get two valuable unprotected 1sts to potentially do some other trades as well to get another piece in the offseason or trade deadline. This gets them back to the 2nd apron which gives them more trade flexibility.

Miami gets Kevin Durant without gutting their entire roster. They keep some firsts available to try and get another player to pair with Durant.

Denver takes a chance on Wiggins and hope that Jovic can develop even further when paired with fellow countrymen Jokic.

Brooklyn, need some help with this. I was thinking Miami gives them 20 and Brooklyn gives them 27?? or maybe pick swaps from someone?

[BBallFreak]

I'm not giving up two first round picks for a 37 year old Durant so this Heat fan says no. Just terrible.

[Slim Charless]

I'm not giving up two first round picks for a 37 year old Durant so this Heat fan says no. Just terrible.

That's fine, we'll take 1 FRP and Ware

[zimpy27]

I'm not giving up two first round picks for a 37 year old Durant so this Heat fan says no. Just terrible.

It's only one frp

[Mavrelous]

The overpay is by the Nuggets, not by the Heat.

[BelgradeNugget]

MPJ is better player, and more avilable than Wiggins, so Denver is giving unprotected 2031 1st for Jovic?
I wouldn't do it.

[BBallFreak]

I'm not giving up two first round picks for a 37 year old Durant so this Heat fan says no. Just terrible.

That's fine, we'll take 1 FRP and Ware

I wouldn't give anything for him. As far as I'm concerned, he can go run another team into the ground.

I'm not giving up two first round picks for a 37 year old Durant so this Heat fan says no. Just terrible.

It's only one frp

No, it's two. Read his blurb on the Nets portion of the deal.

The overpay is by the Nuggets, not by the Heat.

No arguments that Denver overpays, but to me, anything outside of Rozier and Duncan is an overpay by the Heat. I don't want him.

[Mavrelous]

No arguments that Denver overpays, but to me, anything outside of Rozier and Duncan is an overpay by the Heat. I don't want him.

That's fine, we all have our personal
preferences, but KD is worth more than Rozier and DR by a lot, and it's not a realistic trade offer.

[BBallFreak]

No arguments that Denver overpays, but to me, anything outside of Rozier and Duncan is an overpay by the Heat. I don't want him.

That's fine, we all have our personal
preferences, but KD is worth more than Rozier and DR by a lot, and it's not a realistic trade offer.

Very much aware, which is why I said, "This Heat fan" wouldn't do it. I get that he'll fetch more and maybe even from my Heat. I'm just saying it would be a huge mistake for my Heat, in particular. There is nothing I would give up outside of Duncan and Rozier. I stand by that.

I'm very much aware that it's not a realistic offer. It's what I'd be comfortable giving. Those are very different things. Notice the package I'm offering is negative value. Care to guess why?

[KdoubleDees23]

I'm not giving up two first round picks for a 37 year old Durant so this Heat fan says no. Just terrible.

Hahaha thats not the worst part of the trade either. The worst part is Suns getting an injury prone player and thats it.

[BBallFreak]

I'm not giving up two first round picks for a 37 year old Durant so this Heat fan says no. Just terrible.

Hahaha thats not the worst part of the trade either. The worst part is Suns getting an injury prone player and thats it.

Plus two first round picks... While shaving 10 years off the age and $16 million off the salary

[BelgradeNugget]

I'm not giving up two first round picks for a 37 year old Durant so this Heat fan says no. Just terrible.

Hahaha thats not the worst part of the trade either. The worst part is Suns getting an injury prone player and thats it.

Durant and Wiggins played 58 games on average in the last 3 seasons. MPJ played 73, but he is injury prone one...ok

[TheNetsFan]

Denver is getting shorted in my opinion, but I think the Nets could potentially be willing to take Robinson into cap space for a swap of '25 firsts (#27 for #20) and a future 2nd or just the swap if they can get out of it before it fully guarantees.

[BBallFreak]

Denver is getting shorted in my opinion, but I think the Nets could potentially be willing to take Robinson into cap space for a swap of '25 firsts (#27 for #20) and a future 2nd or just the swap if they can get out of it before it fully guarantees.

Forget the rest of the deal, let's do that

[LeBronSpaghetti]

What Denver trades anway and what Phoenix receives is basically the same thing. So why not just make the trade Durant to Denver?

[SA37]

Phoenix Trades: Kevin Durant
Receives: Michael Porter Jr., Miami 2031 1st rd pick unprotected, Denver 2031 1st rd pick unprotected

Miami Trades: Andrew Wiggins, Nikola Jovic, Duncan Robinson, 2031 Unprotected 1st
Receives: Kevin Durant

Denver Trades: 2031 Unprotected 1st Rd pick, Michael Porter Jr.
Receives: Andrew Wiggins, Nikola Jovic

Brooklyn Trades: Read Below
Receives: #Duncan Robinson, TBD??

Why:

Phoenix sheds 16 million in salary and gets back a reliable 3rd option from a championship team in MPJ, who fits the Booker timeline. They get two valuable unprotected 1sts to potentially do some other trades as well to get another piece in the offseason or trade deadline. This gets them back to the 2nd apron which gives them more trade flexibility.

Miami gets Kevin Durant without gutting their entire roster. They keep some firsts available to try and get another player to pair with Durant.

Denver takes a chance on Wiggins and hope that Jovic can develop even further when paired with fellow countrymen Jokic.

Brooklyn, need some help with this. I was thinking Miami gives them 20 and Brooklyn gives them 27?? or maybe pick swaps from someone?

I don't think Phoenix does this deal given how far out those picks are. If Brooklyn is involved, it'll mean they're taking a contract and prospects/picks in exchange for giving Phoenix protection on the picks it owes or giving 1-2 of those picks back.

The other thing is Phoenix is going to want to get under the 2nd apron and I am not sure this happens in this trade.

As a Heat fan, I don't think Miami is going to give up quite this much, but it isn't far off. In this particular version of the trade, if Miami has to give up Jovic (vs Jaquez), plus 2 firsts, I think Miami would not include Wiggins and would swap him out for Rozier.

Of course, that would be pretty unpalatable for Denver, but maybe that means Brooklyn sends Cam Johnson to Denver with Phoenix getting 1 pick back and top-3 protection on another and the unprotected Denver 2031 goes to Brooklyn + Brooklyn moves up to #20 and Miami takes #27. So something like:

Phoenix gets MPJ, one of its picks owed to Brooklyn back, top-3 protection on another

Denver gets Cam Johnson and D Robinson

Miami gets Durant

Brooklyn gets Rozier, Nnaji, 2031 picks from Miami and Denver, swaps #27 for #20 with Miami

[youngthegiant]

Phoenix Trades: Kevin Durant
Receives: Michael Porter Jr., Miami 2031 1st rd pick unprotected, Denver 2031 1st rd pick unprotected

Miami Trades: Andrew Wiggins, Nikola Jovic, Duncan Robinson, 2031 Unprotected 1st
Receives: Kevin Durant

Denver Trades: 2031 Unprotected 1st Rd pick, Michael Porter Jr.
Receives: Andrew Wiggins, Nikola Jovic

Brooklyn Trades: Read Below
Receives: #Duncan Robinson, TBD??

Why:

Phoenix sheds 16 million in salary and gets back a reliable 3rd option from a championship team in MPJ, who fits the Booker timeline. They get two valuable unprotected 1sts to potentially do some other trades as well to get another piece in the offseason or trade deadline. This gets them back to the 2nd apron which gives them more trade flexibility.

Miami gets Kevin Durant without gutting their entire roster. They keep some firsts available to try and get another player to pair with Durant.

Denver takes a chance on Wiggins and hope that Jovic can develop even further when paired with fellow countrymen Jokic.

Brooklyn, need some help with this. I was thinking Miami gives them 20 and Brooklyn gives them 27?? or maybe pick swaps from someone?

I don't think Phoenix does this deal given how far out those picks are. If Brooklyn is involved, it'll mean they're taking a contract and prospects/picks in exchange for giving Phoenix protection on the picks it owes or giving 1-2 of those picks back.

The other thing is Phoenix is going to want to get under the 2nd apron and I am not sure this happens in this trade.

As a Heat fan, I don't think Miami is going to give up quite this much, but it isn't far off. In this particular version of the trade, if Miami has to give up Jovic (vs Jaquez), plus 2 firsts, I think Miami would not include Wiggins and would swap him out for Rozier.

Of course, that would be pretty unpalatable for Denver, but maybe that means Brooklyn sends Cam Johnson to Denver with Phoenix getting 1 pick back and top-3 protection on another and the unprotected Denver 2031 goes to Brooklyn + Brooklyn moves up to #20 and Miami takes #27. So something like:

Phoenix gets MPJ, one of its picks owed to Brooklyn back, top-3 protection on another

Denver gets Cam Johnson and D Robinson

Miami gets Durant

Brooklyn gets Rozier, Nnaji, 2031 picks from Miami and Denver, swaps #27 for #20 with Miami

I personally don't value Cam Johnson to trade a 2031 1st if I'm Denver. Andrew Wiggins is at least comparable to MPJ, Cameron Johnson is a clear downgrade.(Injury prone, empty stats on bad team). I'm probably higher on Jovic than most, I think he has some more potential to grow. I consider Jaime Jaquez as well if Miami doesn't want to part with him.

[BelgradeNugget]

Phoenix Trades: Kevin Durant
Receives: Michael Porter Jr., Miami 2031 1st rd pick unprotected, Denver 2031 1st rd pick unprotected

Miami Trades: Andrew Wiggins, Nikola Jovic, Duncan Robinson, 2031 Unprotected 1st
Receives: Kevin Durant

Denver Trades: 2031 Unprotected 1st Rd pick, Michael Porter Jr.
Receives: Andrew Wiggins, Nikola Jovic

Brooklyn Trades: Read Below
Receives: #Duncan Robinson, TBD??

Why:

Phoenix sheds 16 million in salary and gets back a reliable 3rd option from a championship team in MPJ, who fits the Booker timeline. They get two valuable unprotected 1sts to potentially do some other trades as well to get another piece in the offseason or trade deadline. This gets them back to the 2nd apron which gives them more trade flexibility.

Miami gets Kevin Durant without gutting their entire roster. They keep some firsts available to try and get another player to pair with Durant.

Denver takes a chance on Wiggins and hope that Jovic can develop even further when paired with fellow countrymen Jokic.

Brooklyn, need some help with this. I was thinking Miami gives them 20 and Brooklyn gives them 27?? or maybe pick swaps from someone?

I don't think Phoenix does this deal given how far out those picks are. If Brooklyn is involved, it'll mean they're taking a contract and prospects/picks in exchange for giving Phoenix protection on the picks it owes or giving 1-2 of those picks back.

The other thing is Phoenix is going to want to get under the 2nd apron and I am not sure this happens in this trade.

As a Heat fan, I don't think Miami is going to give up quite this much, but it isn't far off. In this particular version of the trade, if Miami has to give up Jovic (vs Jaquez), plus 2 firsts, I think Miami would not include Wiggins and would swap him out for Rozier.

Of course, that would be pretty unpalatable for Denver, but maybe that means Brooklyn sends Cam Johnson to Denver with Phoenix getting 1 pick back and top-3 protection on another and the unprotected Denver 2031 goes to Brooklyn + Brooklyn moves up to #20 and Miami takes #27. So something like:

Phoenix gets MPJ, one of its picks owed to Brooklyn back, top-3 protection on another

Denver gets Cam Johnson and D Robinson

Miami gets Durant

Brooklyn gets Rozier, Nnaji, 2031 picks from Miami and Denver, swaps #27 for #20 with Miami

I personally don't value Cam Johnson to trade a 2031 1st if I'm Denver. Andrew Wiggins is at least comparable to MPJ, Cameron Johnson is a clear downgrade.(Injury prone, empty stats on bad team). I'm probably higher on Jovic than most, I think he has some more potential to grow. I consider Jaime Jaquez as well if Miami doesn't want to part with him.

Now look at Wiggins stats in these playoffs - he was not injured like MPJ. Look at his play post GSW championship run. He is not good.
It is OK to be high on Jovic, but he is another young player thet needs developement. Do Denver has time for that?
So MPJ>Cam Johnson, and MPJ>Wiggins. You want to upgrade Nuggets bench. What about Saric/Pickett/Tyson (all expiring contracts) for SloMo. Kyle Anderson is proven, solid, smart vet. Miami has a bunch of young talented wings and no playing time for him. They get out of 2nd year of his contract, maybe even add OKC's 2027 2nd. Nuggets keep good starting 5, improve bench and keep 2031 1st - they could use in other trade.

[daoneandonly]

Don't see PHX getting 2 frp for KD at this age

[BigGargamel]

This is the rare Denver related trade proposal on this board that I don't hate.

Wiggins and Jovic would be a pretty good return package for MPJ. I wouldn't want that pick to be unprotected, because who knows how Denver will look when Jokic is 35. Make it top 10 protected and I'll feel better.