**NBA Draft Discussion 2025**

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[MettaWorldPanda]

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Not one top 30 prospect has seen our arena for a workout yet. This time last year Ware, Keshad, and others had worked out already. We might not be making this pick

It's very wired. None of the players linked to us is even draft worthy IMO. They're not even second round level talents, it's like we're scouting for Skyforce.

Which makes no sense, you can't take a risk a potential trade doesn't end up getting finalized.

Then what are you doing when the clock is ticking and it's pick #20 coming up?

Eh, I think they can be given the benefit of the doubt regarding scouting draft picks. They're gonna do their due diligence, especially since we know they've been at a bunch of workouts already. Like we know they're aware of guys like Clayton. Tbh, I wouldn't be suprised if they've worked out more folks, but it hasn't gotten out yet.

I would say this is false and have debunked the secret workout theory like clock work every single year. The last 5 years especially everything has been transparent when it comes to workouts. They are not making Cedric Coward meet them in hialeah in some back alley court to keep it a secret. They have to contact the agents and set up a workout at the arena. This stuff easily gets leaked out. All the top draft picks are being reported working out. Maybe they are just a little behind this year and will start up next week. They had a timeline going last year of workout reports starting on June 7th and updated daily up till June 26th. Heat worked out Bub Carrington and Kyshawn George two days before the draft and it was reported. During the combine we were spotted at a few agent pro days but usually that’s followed up with inviting the prospects of interest into the arena.

By this time last year these are all the players we worked out

Devin Carter, G, Providence
Zach Edey, C, Purdue
Isaiah Collier, G, USC
Jesse Edwards, C, West Virginia
Tristan Enaruna, F, Cleveland State
Sam Griffin, G, Wyoming
Ron Holland, F, G League Ignite
Keshad Johnson, F, Arizona
Tristen Newton, G, UConn
Zyon Pullin, G, Florida
Kel’el Ware, C, Indiana
Joseph Girard III, G, Clemson
Marcus Domask, G, Illinois
Update: Saturday, June 8:

Tyler Kolek, G, Marquette
Update: Tuesday, June 11:

Tyler Smith, F, G-League Ignite
Kenan Blackshear, G/F, Nevada
Dillon Jones, F, Weber State
Boogie Ellis, G, USC
Update: Thursday, June 13:

Yves Missi, C, Baylor
Adem Bona, C, UCLA
Update: Friday, June 14:

Shane Hunter, F, Nova Southeastern
Jaylon Tyson, G, Cal

[arusinov]

Ulm won 5th game in semifinal series and heading to finals, so Saraf and Essengue will not be doing any pre-draft workouts and Ulm trying to move date of last 5th game in finals so they could at least be present at draft.

Ben Saraf in decisive game vs Wurzburg Baskets - 16 Pts (6/14FG, 1/1 3P, 3/5 FT), 6 Reb, 4 Ast (4 To), 1 Stl

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It's actually wasn't best game of Saraf - he was blocked couple of times, and had 4 turnovers to 4 assists. But here's why Saraf had by huge distance better professional season than for example Killian Hayes even if Hayes' stats look a little bit better at first glance.

Saraf is stepping up in decisive moments (Hayes didn't play one important game for Ulm - he didn't even join team after Covid break when they made successful push for G-BBL playoffs). Even if Saraf had bad previous game, and not everything worked today - he still played composed and confident, was the engine of his team attack and scored important points, Ulm won by 7 points, in 25:35 when Saraf was on floor they were +12.

Ability and will to improve. Both Saraf and Hayes started their season in Ulm as alarmingly left-hand dominated players. In this clip only you can see Saraf driving right and finishing with right hand on multiple occasions, you literally can look 5 min of Hayes' Ulm highlights without single right hand finish.

[greg4012]

Ulm won 5th game in semifinal series and heading to finals, so Saraf and Essengue will not be doing any pre-draft workouts and Ulm trying to move date of last 5th game in finals so they could at least be present at draft.

Ben Saraf in decisive game vs Wurzburg Baskets - 16 Pts (6/14FG, 1/1 3P, 3/5 FT), 6 Reb, 4 Ast (4 To), 1 Stl

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It's actually wasn't best game of Saraf - he was blocked couple of times, and had 4 turnovers to 4 assists. But here's why Saraf had by huge distance better professional season than for example Killian Hayes even if Hayes' stats look a little bit better at first glance.

Saraf is stepping up in decisive moments (Hayes didn't play one important game for Ulm - he didn't even join team after Covid break when they made successful push for G-BBL playoffs). Even if Saraf had bad previous game, and not everything worked today - he still played composed and confident, was the engine of his team attack and scored important points, Ulm won by 7 points, in 25:35 when Saraf was on floor they were +12.

Ability and will to improve. Both Saraf and Hayes started their season in Ulm as alarmingly left-hand dominated players. In this clip only you can see Saraf driving right and finishing with right hand on multiple occasions, you literally can look 5 min of Hayes' Ulm highlights without single right hand finish.

I was able to catch the game. Saraf was great in the first half with 10+ points and some timely defensive plays. Still had some lapses throughout the game (see turnovers), but he clearly appeared to be the most important player for the team functioning. He was quieter in the second half, but Ulm was mostly maintaining the built lead and not letting their opponent close the gap.

[lastb1ckman]

It's very wired. None of the players linked to us is even draft worthy IMO. They're not even second round level talents, it's like we're scouting for Skyforce.

Which makes no sense, you can't take a risk a potential trade doesn't end up getting finalized.

Then what are you doing when the clock is ticking and it's pick #20 coming up?

Eh, I think they can be given the benefit of the doubt regarding scouting draft picks. They're gonna do their due diligence, especially since we know they've been at a bunch of workouts already. Like we know they're aware of guys like Clayton. Tbh, I wouldn't be suprised if they've worked out more folks, but it hasn't gotten out yet.

I would say this is false and have debunked the secret workout theory like clock work every single year. The last 5 years especially everything has been transparent when it comes to workouts. They are not making Cedric Coward meet them in hialeah in some back alley court to keep it a secret. They have to contact the agents and set up a workout at the arena. This stuff easily gets leaked out. All the top draft picks are being reported working out. Maybe they are just a little behind this year and will start up next week. They had a timeline going last year of workout reports starting on June 7th and updated daily up till June 26th. Heat worked out Bub Carrington and Kyshawn George two days before the draft and it was reported. During the combine we were spotted at a few agent pro days but usually that’s followed up with inviting the prospects of interest into the arena.

By this time last year these are all the players we worked out

Devin Carter, G, Providence
Zach Edey, C, Purdue
Isaiah Collier, G, USC
Jesse Edwards, C, West Virginia
Tristan Enaruna, F, Cleveland State
Sam Griffin, G, Wyoming
Ron Holland, F, G League Ignite
Keshad Johnson, F, Arizona
Tristen Newton, G, UConn
Zyon Pullin, G, Florida
Kel’el Ware, C, Indiana
Joseph Girard III, G, Clemson
Marcus Domask, G, Illinois
Update: Saturday, June 8:

Tyler Kolek, G, Marquette
Update: Tuesday, June 11:

Tyler Smith, F, G-League Ignite
Kenan Blackshear, G/F, Nevada
Dillon Jones, F, Weber State
Boogie Ellis, G, USC
Update: Thursday, June 13:

Yves Missi, C, Baylor
Adem Bona, C, UCLA
Update: Friday, June 14:

Shane Hunter, F, Nova Southeastern
Jaylon Tyson, G, Cal

oh i wasn't thinking they were doing hidden cloak and dagger workouts, I just thought they hadn't gotten out yet. Since the heat announce this stuff and Heat related news is just kept close to their chest in general. That is surprising so few workouts have been spotted compared to last season, and I thought they did it late last year. Maybe they REALLY want to trade this pick.

[lastb1ckman]

If they do draft someone this year, I am still pulling for an offensive guard, please!!! We need another guy besides Herro, Bam and Mitchelll that can run the offense, no more of these wings/forwards that have to sit in the corner while Herro and Bam try to make something out of nothing.

[HeatIn5]

If they do draft someone this year, I am still pulling for an offensive guard, please!!! We need another guy besides Herro, Bam and Mitchelll that can run the offense, no more of these wings/forwards that have to sit in the corner while Herro and Bam try to make something out of nothing.

as much as I would hate to see my Gator friends happy, Clayton would be a good fit behind Davion

[lastb1ckman]

Damn looks like he really is 6'7"! With a nearly 6'9" wingspan! Nearly 200 lbs too, so not too light.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/s/RAJl9nv2tW

[MettaWorldPanda]

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You see Greg the kid grew lol. 6’7 in shoes

[DayofMourning]

How we drafting Saraf without 20? Any teams who look like trade candidates in the latter 1st?

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I really do like Proctor as a fit for the Heat. His shooting has really grown into something special. He can fit in multiple lineup for the Heat. He also develop enough to likely contribute right away

It wouldn’t be too difficult to argue that nobody has boosted their draft stock more in the tournament to this point than Tyrese Proctor. The Duke junior has been absolutely torching the nets in the tournament so far, knocking down 13-of-16 three-pointers through Duke’s first two games.

I’ve written about Tyrese Proctor before in a previous edition of Editor’s Notes, and it’s been fascinating to me to follow his evolution as a player since then. He’s continued his upward trajectory as a jump shooter, ranking in the 94th percentile on jump shots per Synergy, and he’s mostly maintained the steps forward he took as a finisher (shooting 51% inside the arc this season after finishing last season at 52% on two-pointers). The shot, once a swing skill for Proctor, has become his main selling point:


Interestingly enough, though, Proctor has stepped into more of an off-ball role this season despite his passing chops being the main selling point of his prospect hype heading into his college career. After Proctor led Duke in assists in each of his first two seasons, it seemed like all but a given to me that he would be Duke’s primary point guard in Year Three. Instead, Proctor took a backseat to Duke’s star freshmen Cooper Flagg and Kon Knueppel in that department—Proctor finished fourth on the team in assists behind those two and Tulane transfer Sion James.

It’s not like Proctor’s passing abandoned him by any means. He still finished the year with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 2.2, and he can still sling the ball all over the court when it comes his way. Proctor’s offensive growth outside of his point guard skills, though, makes him an easier fit. With his size at 6’5”, Proctor was always big enough to play at either guard spot. Now, though, he has the complementary offensive game to match. He might not reach the heights of his pre-college lottery projections, but his game now is more versatile than it has ever been before. If he plays at even an average level for the rest of the tournament, he will get looks in the 2025 NBA Draft. If he maintains a little heat after the first two rounds, though, Tyrese Proctor could be the next prospect in a long line of players to ride a March Madness hot streak into the first round of the draft.

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/2025-nba-draft-editors-notes-volume-e76

Miami Heat has worked out Tyrese Proctor

[MettaWorldPanda]

About damn time. Knew something had to come out soon. Glad we worked out Jase just in case we keep this pick.

[MettaWorldPanda]

How we drafting Saraf without 20? Any teams who look like trade candidates in the latter 1st?

Suns pick swap in Durant deal for 29 lol

[arusinov]

Ulm won 5th game in semifinal series and heading to finals, so Saraf and Essengue will not be doing any pre-draft workouts and Ulm trying to move date of last 5th game in finals so they could at least be present at draft.

Ben Saraf in decisive game vs Wurzburg Baskets - 16 Pts (6/14FG, 1/1 3P, 3/5 FT), 6 Reb, 4 Ast (4 To), 1 Stl

Watch on YouTube

It's actually wasn't best game of Saraf - he was blocked couple of times, and had 4 turnovers to 4 assists. But here's why Saraf had by huge distance better professional season than for example Killian Hayes even if Hayes' stats look a little bit better at first glance.

Saraf is stepping up in decisive moments (Hayes didn't play one important game for Ulm - he didn't even join team after Covid break when they made successful push for G-BBL playoffs). Even if Saraf had bad previous game, and not everything worked today - he still played composed and confident, was the engine of his team attack and scored important points, Ulm won by 7 points, in 25:35 when Saraf was on floor they were +12.

Ability and will to improve. Both Saraf and Hayes started their season in Ulm as alarmingly left-hand dominated players. In this clip only you can see Saraf driving right and finishing with right hand on multiple occasions, you literally can look 5 min of Hayes' Ulm highlights without single right hand finish.

I was able to catch the game. Saraf was great in the first half with 10+ points and some timely defensive plays. Still had some lapses throughout the game (see turnovers), but he clearly appeared to be the most important player for the team functioning. He was quieter in the second half, but Ulm was mostly maintaining the built lead and not letting their opponent close the gap.

Yes... It's something what people miss - Saraf is barely 19 y/old and high level pro-team is heavily dependent on him. Even in previous game which was really really bad one - Ulm's coach still sent him back to court with 4 PF 3 min to the end of the game... And he took two shots in last minute and half, and missed both, so we can say "here he failed" but maybe more important is that he was confident to take those shots, and his coach was confident in him (and the team led in this way by Saraf finished 2nd in G-BBL and reached final).

Here's by the way final series poster on G-BBL site:



p.s

Maybe it's a bit disappointing that Saraf (and Essengue) will not be available for work-outs... but they are going into series against above average EuroLeague team, maybe it will give even more clues.

p.s.
Ulm’s Ben Saraf’s anthro measurements from his abbreviated 2025 NBA Draft Combine make-up activities (rounded to nearest ¼"):
6’6” barefoot, 199 lbs with a 6’8 ¾" wingspan, 8’4” standing reach, and 8” x 9 ½" hands

[twix2500]

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Will Riley 6'8.25 w/out shoes, 185.6 lbs, 6'8.25 wingspan
Looks to be a very active player on and off the ball and moves around all over the court.

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[lastb1ckman]

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I really do like Proctor as a fit for the Heat. His shooting has really grown into something special. He can fit in multiple lineup for the Heat. He also develop enough to likely contribute right away

It wouldn’t be too difficult to argue that nobody has boosted their draft stock more in the tournament to this point than Tyrese Proctor. The Duke junior has been absolutely torching the nets in the tournament so far, knocking down 13-of-16 three-pointers through Duke’s first two games.

I’ve written about Tyrese Proctor before in a previous edition of Editor’s Notes, and it’s been fascinating to me to follow his evolution as a player since then. He’s continued his upward trajectory as a jump shooter, ranking in the 94th percentile on jump shots per Synergy, and he’s mostly maintained the steps forward he took as a finisher (shooting 51% inside the arc this season after finishing last season at 52% on two-pointers). The shot, once a swing skill for Proctor, has become his main selling point:


Interestingly enough, though, Proctor has stepped into more of an off-ball role this season despite his passing chops being the main selling point of his prospect hype heading into his college career. After Proctor led Duke in assists in each of his first two seasons, it seemed like all but a given to me that he would be Duke’s primary point guard in Year Three. Instead, Proctor took a backseat to Duke’s star freshmen Cooper Flagg and Kon Knueppel in that department—Proctor finished fourth on the team in assists behind those two and Tulane transfer Sion James.

It’s not like Proctor’s passing abandoned him by any means. He still finished the year with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 2.2, and he can still sling the ball all over the court when it comes his way. Proctor’s offensive growth outside of his point guard skills, though, makes him an easier fit. With his size at 6’5”, Proctor was always big enough to play at either guard spot. Now, though, he has the complementary offensive game to match. He might not reach the heights of his pre-college lottery projections, but his game now is more versatile than it has ever been before. If he plays at even an average level for the rest of the tournament, he will get looks in the 2025 NBA Draft. If he maintains a little heat after the first two rounds, though, Tyrese Proctor could be the next prospect in a long line of players to ride a March Madness hot streak into the first round of the draft.

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/2025-nba-draft-editors-notes-volume-e76

Miami Heat has worked out Tyrese Proctor

Wow Tyrese! I hope he killed it!

[greg4012]

Will Riley is a very interesting prospect if you believe he's a much better shooter than his percentages this season.

[Kobewade11]

I had no idea Mash had a son that was a prospect, wouldnt be surprised if he ends up hooping with our summer league squad

[MettaWorldPanda]

Will Riley is a very interesting prospect if you believe he's a much better shooter than his percentages this season.

When i saw him in the tournament he was shooting the daylights out of the ball from deep.