Durant to Houston in 4-Team Blockbuster

[ReggiesKnicks]

I'm just going to call something out quick.

LarsV8, when it comes to the Kevin Durant trade, you proclaim what YOU would do, not what Houston would do.

Then, when it comes to Jalen Green, you assess his value based on what Houston values him, not what you value him at.

A bit of inconsistency there in an otherwise decent poster.

[LarsV8]

Fair, you can assess all my posts to ME and not all of Houston.

There are certainly a number of Houston fans who I think have very bad opinions.

But there is always a chance I am huge homer.

[Slim Tubby]

My max offer for Durant, salary filler aside is
Green, #10


Assigning that level of value to the Durant portion means for the rest:
Cam, Jabari for #16, Allen


That is a no for me.

You have to know the Suns aren’t taking back Green. Just say you're not interested in trading for Durant.

I don't particularly care what the Suns want, nor am I advocating its good for them and they should take it.

Its simply the offer.

Its now the Sun's job is to compare it too all the other offers, and do what is best for them.

I am "meh" on Durant. I could be excited if he comes at the right price, and I am also fine if he gets traded somewhere else.

As a neutral fan, I'm really hoping that HOU continues to build their roster organically through the Draft and the continued development of their younger players.

Trading for Durant is glitzy but an unnecessary step for a team building towards an extended run at a Title. Teams like HOU, DET and ORL have some interesting choices to make to reach the next level.

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[SkyHook]

I mean, they just signed the deal, so I expect that is what they plan

Good for them.

The only reason I put that is I have seen other Jazz fans propose it, so dunno.

Jazz fans aren't a monolith any more than Rockets fans are. And I don't expect that there's a single poster on the board who is 100% in sync with their teams FO.

[dremill24]

Take Jabari and the Magic out.

Add the Jazz and make it a Green for Collins swap, with Collins to Phx.

What's the compensation to Utah for trading expiring salary for a bad multi year deal?

I think the hate for Green is going a little overboard at this point. He didnt look good in his first playoffs on a team with little other creation, yes. But hes still just 23 with ball skills and crazy athletic tools.

I think buying low, even treating him as a slightly positive asset, especially for the Jazz would not be a bad option at all. Their books are very clean and he provides both a talent upgrade now and upside for the future.

Maybe the lack of a major leap so far is cause to just be out on him, but as long as you're not giving up premium assets, I think Utah would be a decent fit actually.

[Kiss of Death]

You have to know the Suns aren’t taking back Green. Just say you're not interested in trading for Durant.

I don't particularly care what the Suns want, nor am I advocating its good for them and they should take it.

Its simply the offer.

Its now the Sun's job is to compare it too all the other offers, and do what is best for them.

I am "meh" on Durant. I could be excited if he comes at the right price, and I am also fine if he gets traded somewhere else.

As a neutral fan, I'm really hoping that HOU continues to build their roster organically through the Draft and the continued development of their younger players.

Trading for Durant is glitzy but an unnecessary step for a team building towards an extended run at a Title. Teams like HOU, DET and ORL have some interesting choices to make to reach the next level.

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That’s the most likely scenario.

Fans of other teams are the ones looking to break up the Rockets.
The Rockets front office certainly isn’t.
Certainly not for old Durant.

[165bows]

My max offer for Durant, salary filler aside is
Green, #10


Assigning that level of value to the Durant portion means for the rest:
Cam, Jabari for #16, Allen


That is a no for me.

You have to know the Suns aren’t taking back Green. Just say you're not interested in trading for Durant.

I don't particularly care what the Suns want, nor am I advocating its good for them and they should take it.

Its simply the offer.

Its now the Sun's job is to compare it too all the other offers, and do what is best for them.

I am "meh" on Durant. I could be excited if he comes at the right price, and I am also fine if he gets traded somewhere else.

I’m not huge on Green but on the other hand I didn’t know some people looked at him as a bad contract.

Hard part imo is he’s just not a good fit in Phoenix and they really aren’t very flexible already. So then how do they structure a deal otherwise I’m not sure how that would work.

[165bows]

I don't particularly care what the Suns want, nor am I advocating its good for them and they should take it.

Its simply the offer.

Its now the Sun's job is to compare it too all the other offers, and do what is best for them.

I am "meh" on Durant. I could be excited if he comes at the right price, and I am also fine if he gets traded somewhere else.

As a neutral fan, I'm really hoping that HOU continues to build their roster organically through the Draft and the continued development of their younger players.

Trading for Durant is glitzy but an unnecessary step for a team building towards an extended run at a Title. Teams like HOU, DET and ORL have some interesting choices to make to reach the next level.

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That’s the most likely scenario.

Fans of other teams are the ones looking to break up the Rockets.
The Rockets front office certainly isn’t.
Certainly not for old Durant.

On paper it seems like a great fit then when I look at constructing the trade it’s really awkward to make happen.

[MoreyWins]

I don't mind it

[orlando_joe]

magic want no part of this bad fit ,real bad value and overpaid

[Xman]

[quote="dremill24"][quote="hugepatsfan"][quote="LarsV8"]Take Jabari and the Magic out.

Add the Jazz and make it a Green for Collins swap, with Collins to Phx.[/quote]

What's the compensation to Utah for trading expiring salary for a bad multi year deal?[/quote]

I think the hate for Green is going a little overboard at this point. He didnt look good in his first playoffs on a team with little other creation, yes. But hes still just 23 with ball skills and crazy athletic tools.

I think buying low, even treating him as a slightly positive asset, especially for the Jazz would not be a bad option at all. Their books are very clean and he provides both a talent upgrade now and upside for the future.

Maybe the lack of a major leap so far is cause to just be out on him, but as long as you're not giving up premium assets, I think Utah would be a decent fit actually.[/quote]

Utah might “rehab” Green just like Markky. Trick would be to deal him at max value if it worked, like they should have dealt Markky.

[jbk1234]

You have to know the Suns aren’t taking back Green. Just say you're not interested in trading for Durant.

I don't particularly care what the Suns want, nor am I advocating its good for them and they should take it.

Its simply the offer.

Its now the Sun's job is to compare it too all the other offers, and do what is best for them.

I am "meh" on Durant. I could be excited if he comes at the right price, and I am also fine if he gets traded somewhere else.

I’m not huge on Green but on the other hand I didn’t know some people looked at him as a bad contract.

Hard part imo is he’s just not a good fit in Phoenix and they really aren’t very flexible already. So then how do they structure a deal otherwise I’m not sure how that would work.

They have 70% of their cap allocated to two SGs. They're not taking on a third at Green's salary. If there's a team that believes he has value on his deal, it should be easy enough to for the Rockets to find.

[hugepatsfan]

magic want no part of this bad fit ,real bad value and overpaid

Green? Or do you mean it about the two players the Magic are giving up? Because I think it applies to them all (not WCJ this year, but I don't really love that extension number kicking in next year).

[hugepatsfan]

You have to know the Suns aren’t taking back Green. Just say you're not interested in trading for Durant.

I don't particularly care what the Suns want, nor am I advocating its good for them and they should take it.

Its simply the offer.

Its now the Sun's job is to compare it too all the other offers, and do what is best for them.

I am "meh" on Durant. I could be excited if he comes at the right price, and I am also fine if he gets traded somewhere else.

I’m not huge on Green but on the other hand I didn’t know some people looked at him as a bad contract.

Hard part imo is he’s just not a good fit in Phoenix and they really aren’t very flexible already. So then how do they structure a deal otherwise I’m not sure how that would work.

Because he's a bad player making $33M year or whatever it is. There are some tools so I can see bad/rebuilding teams intrigued enough to take a shot on him, but no team with an immediate goal of winning (like ORL in this deal) is going to want him at that salary. Now, ORL sends out lots of money too that I don't like so it's a little different if you drop the picks, but doubt any good team gives value for him.

[LarsV8]

I don't particularly care what the Suns want, nor am I advocating its good for them and they should take it.

Its simply the offer.

Its now the Sun's job is to compare it too all the other offers, and do what is best for them.

I am "meh" on Durant. I could be excited if he comes at the right price, and I am also fine if he gets traded somewhere else.

I’m not huge on Green but on the other hand I didn’t know some people looked at him as a bad contract.

Hard part imo is he’s just not a good fit in Phoenix and they really aren’t very flexible already. So then how do they structure a deal otherwise I’m not sure how that would work.

Because he's a bad player making $33M year or whatever it is. There are some tools so I can see bad/rebuilding teams intrigued enough to take a shot on him, but no team with an immediate goal of winning (like ORL in this deal) is going to want him at that salary. Now, ORL sends out lots of money too that I don't like so it's a little different if you drop the picks, but doubt any good team gives value for him.

I mean, he isn't really a bad player though.

He is not terribly efficient, but he still commands quite a bit double teams, so his gravity is a positive. He is an above average defender as well.

At his current production, he is probably a 18 to 20 million dollar player, ala Monk. The overage is because of his age and skill set, and the expectation he continues to improve over the remainder of his contract.

[Xman]

Utah gets green, Whitmore, holiday, Landale, 10
Hou gets kd
Phx gets Collins, sexton, Kessler, sensebaugh, 21

Phx gets help. Utah gets another lottery pick.
Houston might add seconds or second best of multiple firsts in 2027/29.
Might be better having ten to phx and Utah keeping 21?

[orlando_joe]

magic want no part of this bad fit ,real bad value and overpaid

Green? Or do you mean it about the two players the Magic are giving up? Because I think it applies to them all (not WCJ this year, but I don't really love that extension number kicking in next year).

i think wcj at 3 for under 50 is fine..and has team option...its green 3 yrs overpaid and then if he does by some way blow up he can opt out?
magic giving up both picks houstan who i think was best 3 pt shooter this season on magic..lol.. at 2 mill and wcj, and kcp shooting gets back to his avg like last couple months when paolo and franz both played is fine not great but not super bad i wish he made 5 a yr less no doubt
magic do not get back a long term pg...is awful,
so still need pg and a starting center and lose depth with rookie deals and houstan...and no money...not good

[Kiss of Death]

As a neutral fan, I'm really hoping that HOU continues to build their roster organically through the Draft and the continued development of their younger players.

Trading for Durant is glitzy but an unnecessary step for a team building towards an extended run at a Title. Teams like HOU, DET and ORL have some interesting choices to make to reach the next level.

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That’s the most likely scenario.

Fans of other teams are the ones looking to break up the Rockets.
The Rockets front office certainly isn’t.
Certainly not for old Durant.

On paper it seems like a great fit then when I look at constructing the trade it’s really awkward to make happen.

There is no trade for Durant that makes sense for the Rockets.

That’s the point.