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2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#321 » by junot111 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:26 am

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Taller, longer, better jumping Ochai with worse perimeter D, better interior D would be my comparison


Why worse perimeter D? I would say comparable.


his lateral quickness is a bit lacking..he's a bit like Scottie, poor first step and unable to slash + not great at containing perimeter players. Gets blown by a lot when guarding the 3 point line, but he gives good effort on recovery. Fighting through screens is tough for any large wing as well. He likes to sink to the interior more, so maybe better suited as small ball PF.

I would say this is a good list of his strengths/weaknesses: https://fanspo.com/nba/draft-prospects/carter-bryant/5061568

Clunky lateral movement, relies of physicality to slow guys down

If that's the case then it's a hard pass for me... A 6'6 3 and d player that doesn't have lateral quickness? It's not even guaranteed that he'll be a good defender as a floor
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#322 » by WuTang_OG » Sat Jun 14, 2025 11:42 am

These playoffs prove weakest link theory. I know Raps picked Gradey and maybe it was not a "raptors" pick but I think they liked his offensive upside and size.. needs to grow into his body which is what is hurting him. The Raps are for sure going to pick a 2 way guy this draft I think I'm buying the smoke on KM. JP is just too valuable for us and when he's out, we have no answer. KM will fit a need and Masai knows this kid's upside better than anyone. I do think he will be there now that Noa's measurements have come out.
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Post#323 » by alan_156 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:06 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:These playoffs prove weakest link theory. I know Raps picked Gradey and maybe it was not a "raptors" pick but I think they liked his offensive upside and size.. needs to grow into his body which is what is hurting him. The Raps are for sure going to pick a 2 way guy. I think I'm buying the smoke on KM. JP is just too valuable for us and when he's out, we have no answer. KM will fit a need and Masai knows this kid's upside better than anyone. I do think he will be there now that Noa's measurements have come out.


I agree KM is the pick for me, such a huge drop off in defense when jack is off the floor. We just also need to get a stretch big off the bench somehow as well.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#324 » by Psubs » Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:12 pm

RoteSchroder wrote:
Psubs wrote:
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Taller, longer, better jumping Ochai with worse perimeter D, better interior D would be my comparison


Why worse perimeter D? I would say comparable.


his lateral quickness is a bit lacking..he's a bit like Scottie, poor first step and unable to slash + not great at containing perimeter players. Gets blown by a lot when guarding the 3 point line, but he gives good effort on recovery. Fighting through screens is tough for any large wing as well. He likes to sink to the interior more, so maybe better suited as small ball PF.

I would say this is a good list of his strengths/weaknesses: https://fanspo.com/nba/draft-prospects/carter-bryant/5061568

Clunky lateral movement, relies of physicality to slow guys down


His Lane Agility was 11.25, whereas VJ was 11.27, so similar.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#325 » by Psubs » Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:18 pm

junot111 wrote:
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Why worse perimeter D? I would say comparable.


his lateral quickness is a bit lacking..he's a bit like Scottie, poor first step and unable to slash + not great at containing perimeter players. Gets blown by a lot when guarding the 3 point line, but he gives good effort on recovery. Fighting through screens is tough for any large wing as well. He likes to sink to the interior more, so maybe better suited as small ball PF.

I would say this is a good list of his strengths/weaknesses: https://fanspo.com/nba/draft-prospects/carter-bryant/5061568

Clunky lateral movement, relies of physicality to slow guys down

If that's the case then it's a hard pass for me... A 6'6 3 and d player that doesn't have lateral quickness? It's not even guaranteed that he'll be a good defender as a floor


Clunky sounds like a visual take. Kind of like how OG looks clunky. Numbers don't lie. He has the same lane agility as VJ who is supposed to be a great defender.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJmnDDFyk_3/?hl=en
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9 

Post#326 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:27 pm

junot111 wrote:
RoteSchroder wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Why worse perimeter D? I would say comparable.


his lateral quickness is a bit lacking..he's a bit like Scottie, poor first step and unable to slash + not great at containing perimeter players. Gets blown by a lot when guarding the 3 point line, but he gives good effort on recovery. Fighting through screens is tough for any large wing as well. He likes to sink to the interior more, so maybe better suited as small ball PF.

I would say this is a good list of his strengths/weaknesses: https://fanspo.com/nba/draft-prospects/carter-bryant/5061568

Clunky lateral movement, relies of physicality to slow guys down

If that's the case then it's a hard pass for me... A 6'6 3 and d player that doesn't have lateral quickness? It's not even guaranteed that he'll be a good defender as a floor

The stats literally show you that he has lateral quickness, and it’s there in plain sight on his tape for everyone to see.
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Post#327 » by WuTang_OG » Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:28 pm

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Post#328 » by TNRaps4life » Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:44 pm

Noa or Maluach at 9 and run

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Post#329 » by Mark_83 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 1:00 pm

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junot111 wrote:If that's the case then it's a hard pass for me... A 6'6 3 and d player that doesn't have lateral quickness? It's not even guaranteed that he'll be a good defender as a floor

Clunky sounds like a visual take. Kind of like how OG looks clunky. Numbers don't lie. He has the same lane agility as VJ who is supposed to be a great defender.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJmnDDFyk_3/?hl=en

Also, what the heck is Fanspo? Might as well quote Reddit as an authoritative source. :lol:
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Post#330 » by Mark_83 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 1:01 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
junot111 wrote:
RoteSchroder wrote:
his lateral quickness is a bit lacking..he's a bit like Scottie, poor first step and unable to slash + not great at containing perimeter players. Gets blown by a lot when guarding the 3 point line, but he gives good effort on recovery. Fighting through screens is tough for any large wing as well. He likes to sink to the interior more, so maybe better suited as small ball PF.

I would say this is a good list of his strengths/weaknesses: https://fanspo.com/nba/draft-prospects/carter-bryant/5061568


If that's the case then it's a hard pass for me... A 6'6 3 and d player that doesn't have lateral quickness? It's not even guaranteed that he'll be a good defender as a floor

The stats literally show you that he has lateral quickness, and it’s there in plain sight on his tape for everyone to see.

But Fanspo says otherwise! :rofl:
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Post#331 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sat Jun 14, 2025 1:26 pm

Mark_83 wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
junot111 wrote:If that's the case then it's a hard pass for me... A 6'6 3 and d player that doesn't have lateral quickness? It's not even guaranteed that he'll be a good defender as a floor

The stats literally show you that he has lateral quickness, and it’s there in plain sight on his tape for everyone to see.

But Fanspo says otherwise! :rofl:

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Post#332 » by WuTang_OG » Sat Jun 14, 2025 1:53 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-athletic-nba-show/id1358187061?i=1000712855323


Interesting note
There will be players selected in future that could be theory be draft and stash in ncaa
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Post#333 » by RoteSchroder » Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:12 pm

Psubs wrote:
RoteSchroder wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Why worse perimeter D? I would say comparable.


his lateral quickness is a bit lacking..he's a bit like Scottie, poor first step and unable to slash + not great at containing perimeter players. Gets blown by a lot when guarding the 3 point line, but he gives good effort on recovery. Fighting through screens is tough for any large wing as well. He likes to sink to the interior more, so maybe better suited as small ball PF.

I would say this is a good list of his strengths/weaknesses: https://fanspo.com/nba/draft-prospects/carter-bryant/5061568

Clunky lateral movement, relies of physicality to slow guys down


His Lane Agility was 11.25, whereas VJ was 11.27, so similar.


That’s about middle of the pack. Kasparas is at 10.99. Fears/Fleming 10.95. McNeeley 11.11.

Shuttle run is 3.14, 10th worst at the combine.
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Post#334 » by Yallbecrazy » Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:15 pm

RoteSchroder wrote:
Psubs wrote:
RoteSchroder wrote:
his lateral quickness is a bit lacking..he's a bit like Scottie, poor first step and unable to slash + not great at containing perimeter players. Gets blown by a lot when guarding the 3 point line, but he gives good effort on recovery. Fighting through screens is tough for any large wing as well. He likes to sink to the interior more, so maybe better suited as small ball PF.

I would say this is a good list of his strengths/weaknesses: https://fanspo.com/nba/draft-prospects/carter-bryant/5061568



His Lane Agility was 11.25, whereas VJ was 11.27, so similar.


That’s about middle of the pack. Kasparas is at 10.99. Fears/Fleming 10.95. McNeeley 11.11.

Shuttle run is 3.14, 10th worst at the combine.



The agility drill is a weird one if you watch it, think a really fast time is indicative of good athleticism, but slow ones aren't as there are a lot of weird changes of directions. I think shuttle is more predictive.
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Post#335 » by Indeed » Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:24 pm

Yallbecrazy wrote:
RoteSchroder wrote:
Psubs wrote:
His Lane Agility was 11.25, whereas VJ was 11.27, so similar.


That’s about middle of the pack. Kasparas is at 10.99. Fears/Fleming 10.95. McNeeley 11.11.

Shuttle run is 3.14, 10th worst at the combine.



The agility drill is a weird one if you watch it, think a really fast time is indicative of good athleticism, but slow ones aren't as there are a lot of weird changes of directions. I think shuttle is more predictive.


Defending half court is more lane agility, I suppose. It is moving forward (corner 3 contest) and backward (against straight line drive), left and right (stay in front on the perimeter) with 2 or 3 steps, particularly within the painted box.

Of course, awareness, positioning and IQ / mentality are a big part to defense, the mearuement are more meant for potential.
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Post#336 » by Yallbecrazy » Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:30 pm

Indeed wrote:
Yallbecrazy wrote:
RoteSchroder wrote:
That’s about middle of the pack. Kasparas is at 10.99. Fears/Fleming 10.95. McNeeley 11.11.

Shuttle run is 3.14, 10th worst at the combine.



The agility drill is a weird one if you watch it, think a really fast time is indicative of good athleticism, but slow ones aren't as there are a lot of weird changes of directions. I think shuttle is more predictive.


Defending half court is more lane agility, I suppose. It is moving forward (corner 3 contest) and backward (against straight line drive), left and right (stay in front on the perimeter) with 2 or 3 steps, particularly within the painted box.

Of course, awareness, positioning and IQ / mentality are a big part to defense, the mearuement are more meant for potential.


I just think it will give the best times to those who have practiced that drill specifically because you will probably go too far with your steps and have a lot of wasted extra distance covered.
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Post#337 » by Indeed » Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:34 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-athletic-nba-show/id1358187061?i=1000712855323


Interesting note
There will be players selected in future that could be theory be draft and stash in ncaa


That would be bad, teams arent going to develop players that way. They are not changing the NCAA program for those players.

They should expand the GLeague, instead of being cheap and have all the cost tranafer to NCAA.

Most professional league has minor league for a reason
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Post#338 » by navyblue » Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:43 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-athletic-nba-show/id1358187061?i=1000712855323


Interesting note
There will be players selected in future that could be theory be draft and stash in ncaa

Interesting loophole, can NBA pay NIL to a player they drafted and have them stay at college an extra year.
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Post#339 » by Indeed » Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:44 pm

Yallbecrazy wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Yallbecrazy wrote:

The agility drill is a weird one if you watch it, think a really fast time is indicative of good athleticism, but slow ones aren't as there are a lot of weird changes of directions. I think shuttle is more predictive.


Defending half court is more lane agility, I suppose. It is moving forward (corner 3 contest) and backward (against straight line drive), left and right (stay in front on the perimeter) with 2 or 3 steps, particularly within the painted box.

Of course, awareness, positioning and IQ / mentality are a big part to defense, the mearuement are more meant for potential.


I just think it will give the best times to those who have practiced that drill specifically because you will probably go too far with your steps and have a lot of wasted extra distance covered.


Not sure it matters, because the half court size doesnt change, you defend based on the court size, the wasted extra distance would still be wasted in reality. Like running out to corner 3 for contest, the length is similar to the forward part, just that wingspand / standing reach also matters.
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