Is Caitlin Clark a bigger star than any of the young NBA talent?

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Re: Is Caitlin Clark a bigger star than any of the young NBA talent? 

Post#101 » by JH5 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:04 pm

Hoop Hunter wrote:Just since Clark has been hurt this season. The WNBA viewership as a whole is down 55%.

Fever games attracted 1.81 million viewers. Down to just 847,000 viewers, a 53% drop. I guess it didn't drop as much as the league cause you can still see her sitting on the bench. :lol:

Tickets that were going for 100's of dollars were 3 bucks at the last Clarkless Fever vs Chicago game. You know with Angel Reese that said she was just as much the reason for the bigger ratings last season.

It's pretty crazy one player has that much draw. The NBA wouldn't lose that many people if SGA "MVP" was out the next game.

The sample size is a huge issue here though. Clark only played 4 games this season before injury, and those included the season opener (2.7M viewers) and the Angel Reese rivalry rematch - both massive outliers that skew that 1.81M average way above normal.

The real baseline should be her 2024 average of 1.18 million viewers for nationally televised games. So the actual drop is from 1.18M to 847K = about 28%, not 53%. Still significant, but not nearly as dramatic when you use her normal baseline instead of this season's inflated small sample.

And just to clarify on tickets - for today's Liberty-Fever game, cheapest seats are $34 with most sections $46-$200+.

You're right about Angel Reese's claims too. She did say she was equally responsible for the ratings boost, but when recently asked about it, she literally said "Next question" and refused to discuss it.

Clark's impact is undeniable, but using cherry-picked numbers from a tiny 4-game sample makes the decline look way more catastrophic than it actually is compared to her normal performance levels
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Post#102 » by Hoop Hunter » Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:40 pm

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Hoop Hunter wrote:Just since Clark has been hurt this season. The WNBA viewership as a whole is down 55%.

Fever games attracted 1.81 million viewers. Down to just 847,000 viewers, a 53% drop. I guess it didn't drop as much as the league cause you can still see her sitting on the bench. :lol:

Tickets that were going for 100's of dollars were 3 bucks at the last Clarkless Fever vs Chicago game. You know with Angel Reese that said she was just as much the reason for the bigger ratings last season.

It's pretty crazy one player has that much draw. The NBA wouldn't lose that many people if SGA "MVP" was out the next game.

The sample size is a huge issue here though. Clark only played 4 games this season before injury, and those included the season opener (2.7M viewers) and the Angel Reese rivalry rematch - both massive outliers that skew that 1.81M average way above normal.

The real baseline should be her 2024 average of 1.18 million viewers for nationally televised games. So the actual drop is from 1.18M to 847K = about 28%, not 53%. Still significant, but not nearly as dramatic when you use her normal baseline instead of this season's inflated small sample.

And just to clarify on tickets - for today's Liberty-Fever game, cheapest seats are $34 with most sections $46-$200+.

You're right about Angel Reese's claims too. She did say she was equally responsible for the ratings boost, but when recently asked about it, she literally said "Next question" and refused to discuss it.

Clark's impact is undeniable, but using cherry-picked numbers from a tiny 4-game sample makes the decline look way more catastrophic than it actually is compared to her normal performance levels

Yes, It was a super small sample size. The only sample available though, so it is was it is.

The ticket price drop at Chicago was real. No sample size required. Fans just didn't want the tickets if no Clark. Angel needs a huge reality check. Keep her mouth shut and work on her game, she just to often makes herself look bad. She needs an advisor to help her image. GREAT rebounder but can't hit a shot from 3 feet in, below 40%, lowest in the W. So far this season it's even worse. Set a record for most shots blocked and missed several games to end last season.

The game today with the Liberty will be Clark's first game back. New York Liberty is the best by far right now.
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Re: Is Caitlin Clark a bigger star than any of the young NBA talent? 

Post#103 » by AdamSSSlither » Sat Jun 14, 2025 4:26 pm

most americans still have a hard time even pronouncing the names of most modern nba star- shai gilgeous, jokic, wemby, giannis etc.
hard to market guys that names are butchered daily.
caitlin clark has a very marketable ring to it.

ONLY STEPH CURRY SELLS MORE JERSEYS THAN CLARK....THAT SHOULD END THE DISCUSSION RIGHT THERE.

clark is bigger than them in comparison to their respective leagues for more reasons than one, no doubt

she is now the face of the whole league. not enough viewers to make bigger stars to compete. even if there are better players.
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Post#104 » by Clemenza » Sat Jun 14, 2025 4:36 pm

Wingy wrote:Yes, she easily is.

The NBA has done an awful and horrendous job marketing the new generation.

They’re too stuck on Lebron, and Steph, and KD. Milking that teat beyond death.

It didn't help when Zion & JA didn't materialize, Ant Edwards doesn't want to be a star, Luka's team dumped him, Tatum & SGA's games doesn't fascinate, and WembyMania not taking off.

The league will have stars, but the superstar era will be over with once Bron, Curry, and KD retire.
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Post#105 » by jokeboy86 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:25 pm

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Wingy wrote:Yes, she easily is.

The NBA has done an awful and horrendous job marketing the new generation.

They’re too stuck on Lebron, and Steph, and KD. Milking that teat beyond death.

It didn't help when Zion & JA didn't materialize, Ant Edwards doesn't want to be a star, Luka's team dumped him, Tatum & SGA's games doesn't fascinate, and WembyMania not taking off.

The league will have stars, but the superstar era will be over with once Bron, Curry, and KD retire.


Don't sleep on Dybantsa. He seems like he really wants that superstar mantle.
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Post#106 » by Wingy » Sat Jun 14, 2025 6:31 pm

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Wingy wrote:Yes, she easily is.

The NBA has done an awful and horrendous job marketing the new generation.

They’re too stuck on Lebron, and Steph, and KD. Milking that teat beyond death.

It didn't help when Zion & JA didn't materialize, Ant Edwards doesn't want to be a star, Luka's team dumped him, Tatum & SGA's games doesn't fascinate, and WembyMania not taking off.

The league will have stars, but the superstar era will be over with once Bron, Curry, and KD retire.


I’d like to root for Ant with his game, but someone irresponsibly pumping out kids left and right won’t ever get me jazzed as someone to get behind.

I’m realizing now that while he shouldn’t be expected to be on the level of some of the stars of old (play and popularity wise), Haliburton’s actually pretty damn marketable relative to the rest of the current crop. We’ll see if the league capitalizes after this playoff run.

They have an opportunity to promote him and Clark together as they’re friends and both Indiana stars.
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Re: Is Caitlin Clark a bigger star than any of the young NBA talent? 

Post#107 » by ReasonablySober » Sat Jun 14, 2025 6:37 pm

Curry and LeBron are the only hoopers in the US you could make a case being bigger stars.
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Post#108 » by Dainis » Sat Jun 14, 2025 7:55 pm

jc23 wrote:
Dainis wrote:I'm from Europe, and nobody here knows who Caitlyn Clarke is — and more importantly, we don't give a ****.


fair, most Americans feel this way about European soccer.

My man. I don't give a rat's behind about soccer either.
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Post#109 » by jc23 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 8:14 pm

i actually prefer her passing over her logo 3's but this was dope

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Post#110 » by gavran » Sat Jun 14, 2025 8:35 pm

Coach Carter wrote:Who?

There is always a who guy.
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Post#111 » by D.Brasco » Sat Jun 14, 2025 8:48 pm

jc23 wrote:i actually prefer her passing over her logo 3's but this was dope



Actually wild the announcer saying "she can do things in the women's game no one else can".
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Post#112 » by Patches Perry » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:02 pm

She is back from injury and she has been ridiculous today.
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Post#113 » by LLJ » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:21 pm

SGA should be promoted as the biggest star in the NBA right now but it sure doesn't feel like it. And I don't want to hear about the nationality excuses. MLB is doing just fine with Ohtani being their poster boy.
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Post#114 » by theforumblue » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:22 pm

32/8/9 on first game from injury. There's no question who's the bigger star.
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Post#115 » by jokeboy86 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:39 pm

LLJ wrote:SGA should be promoted as the biggest star in the NBA right now but it sure doesn't feel like it. And I don't want to hear about the nationality excuses. MLB is doing just fine with Ohtani being their poster boy.


NBA media doesn’t like North American guys who don’t cross people up or dunk or jack up 3’s. Add the small market factor and they’ll basically act like they’re bored.

Don’t be surprised if the TV talking heads start trashing the CBA and salary rules in a couple of years. They’ll blame that for the lack of a NA face of the league and too much parity and the reason for bad ratings.
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Post#116 » by warriorschamps » Sat Jun 14, 2025 10:00 pm

LLJ wrote:SGA should be promoted as the biggest star in the NBA right now but it sure doesn't feel like it. And I don't want to hear about the nationality excuses. MLB is doing just fine with Ohtani being their poster boy.


He get promoted plenty but what some of you guys have a hard time understanding is just because you are promoted doesn't mean people will like you.

Steph Curry is actually the prefect example because he wasn't even a heavily marketed guy coming into the league. The NBA actually followed the people lead. Because the people loved Steph of course they started marketing him heavily.

If Cooper Flagg is half as good as they say he is the people is going to love him being an American and all. And yes being an American is important. Otherwise there will be a ceiling as to how much support you can get in America.

If Cooper Flagg is half as good as they say he is no doubt he will be the next "face" of the NBA. And you will start to see rating rise again. Part of the problem the NBA has right now is many people just isn't interest watching the Lukas, Jokics of the world. That why rating have been what they have been.
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Post#117 » by IlikeSHAIguys » Sat Jun 14, 2025 10:07 pm

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Star figures transcend things like ratings though. More people know LeBron as a figure than ever actually watch NBA games. Simone Biles is a big star but who really pays attention to gymnastics outside of once every 4 years.

As someone who doesn't even watch the WNBA, I find Clark mentioned a lot more now in general media than most of the NBA star's today. I've just never encountered that before, because yeah generally the reach of a WNBA player is about 100x less than an NBA player.

That's because the media is trying desperately to prop up women's sports.

Revenue, not media hype, is a much more accurate measurement of how much people actually care about these things.

You speak like what you are saying is correct, but it's not at all.

Look at TV ratings. Caitlin Clark games averaged 1.8M viewers on national TV. The average ESPN/TNT NBA game averages 1.5M viewers this season.

So Caitlin clark already outdraws the average NBA game. She is more popular.

Lol yeah that's kind of a debate ender
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Post#118 » by Patches Perry » Sat Jun 14, 2025 10:09 pm

LLJ wrote:SGA should be promoted as the biggest star in the NBA right now but it sure doesn't feel like it. And I don't want to hear about the nationality excuses. MLB is doing just fine with Ohtani being their poster boy.


SGA is going to be more your favorite players favorite player. He doesn't dunk or go on wild 3pt shooting sprees. He is a quiet midrange and layup assassin and plays in a small market.

He is incredibly skilled with his footwork, angling and shot making but that stuff isn't sexy to casuals. He is Tim Duncan basically.
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Post#119 » by Rustyman » Sat Jun 14, 2025 11:39 pm

Patches Perry wrote:He is incredibly skilled with his footwork, angling and shot making but that stuff isn't sexy to casuals. He is Tim Duncan basically.


Only if Duncan was a foul baiting flop merchant which he wasn't.
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Post#120 » by MrBigShot » Sat Jun 14, 2025 11:45 pm

Like I said a few pages ago that made a few posters upset: There is nobody in the league who was/is a transcendent player in the WNBA up until now. No Steph or LeBron type figure.

Caitlin Clark is exactly what the WNBA was missing. She is the most talented player in the league and what she did today will eventually become just a typical game for her.
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