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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#141 » by Chi town » Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:21 am

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drosestruts wrote:All the Euro guys measuring well. Saraf's measurements in now too

6'6" barefoot, 200 pounds, 6'8,75" wingspan, 8'4" standing reach, 9.5" hand-size

Easily 6'7" in shoes will help Saraf's value tremendously. Long arms and big hands too.


Wow. Great measurements for Saraf.

I’d take him over Demin all day. Elite competitor and motor. The opposite of Demin.

Saraf is just a baller. Much like KJ. I could see him getting his shot dialed and being better than KJ. He’s more elusive and a better defender.


That’s a nice call with respect to Demin. Not sure why Saraf isn’t higher. His game in unorthodox but in a good way. I need to do a little more research with respect to his deep ball.


He’s very shifty, great at change of pace and can easily get his own shot. Demin really struggles to create for himself. Hes very lefty but he’s good at it. Think he’s a backup PG or secondary creator. He competes, high IQ, and can score. See him in a closing lineup for a playoff team with his versatility. Kind of player you can’t keep off the court.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#142 » by ThisGuyFawkes » Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:44 am

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In our defense, nobody reasonable turned on Matas? Lol. :lol:


Matas is hate resistant.


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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#143 » by ThisGuyFawkes » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:11 am

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Bastard he’s going top 10 now for sure. There’s a case to be made that from here to the draft he could be knocking on the door of top 5


Yeah man. He's been my guy for awhile (yours too, if I remember correctly), but now I don't even consider us having a chance of drafting him. I guess we're on to the B-tier list of guys available for our pick.

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Honestly, I wouldn't even be too upset with Powell or Jase.

I wasn't a big fan of Beringer based on my extremely in-depth review of his tankathon stats, but I'm enticed to watch some actual videos of him playing now.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#144 » by ThisGuyFawkes » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:33 am

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Jvaughn wrote:Jase Richardson breakdown. Seems like the board talk about him has quieted down considerably.


I was originally not all that interested in Jase but the more I watched of him the more I liked him. I think him measuring smaller (in height) made quite a few sour on him. He does still have a nice wingspan though.

If the Bulls trade Coby, I'd love for the Bulls to pick up Jase as a 'replacement'.


Do you think he has that microwave ability? Or do you see him as more?


He can score from anywhere on the court and has a great work ethic and NBA pedigree. I wouldn't bet against him "figuring it out" and being something like Jalen Brunson.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#145 » by Muzbar » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:45 am

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Jvaughn wrote:Jase Richardson breakdown. Seems like the board talk about him has quieted down considerably.


I was originally not all that interested in Jase but the more I watched of him the more I liked him. I think him measuring smaller (in height) made quite a few sour on him. He does still have a nice wingspan though.

If the Bulls trade Coby, I'd love for the Bulls to pick up Jase as a 'replacement'.


Do you think he has that microwave ability? Or do you see him as more?

I think he's a bit more than just a microwave scorer, I could see him being Ben Gordon-like but with better handles and he's actually displayed being able to play defense.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#146 » by drosestruts » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:49 am

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Muzbar wrote:I was originally not all that interested in Jase but the more I watched of him the more I liked him. I think him measuring smaller (in height) made quite a few sour on him. He does still have a nice wingspan though.

If the Bulls trade Coby, I'd love for the Bulls to pick up Jase as a 'replacement'.


Do you think he has that microwave ability? Or do you see him as more?


He can score from anywhere on the court and has a great work ethic and NBA pedigree. I wouldn't bet against him "figuring it out" and being something like Jalen Brunson.


I agree

And I feel like the "he's short" criticism doesn't hold much water, like finish the sentence he's short so he won't be able to....

Score at the rim? Actually he's one of the better at the rim finishers amongst all guards in the draft

Create space? He's got very good handles and moves great off the ball

Score in the mid-range? Again, one of the better prospects in the draft scoring in the mid range

Hit the three? he's a sniper

Guard effectivley? He's got a 6'6" wingspan
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#147 » by ThisGuyFawkes » Sat Jun 14, 2025 4:10 am

Ok, I'm not sure if we're all talking about the same Beringer. This fellow is not good at basketball. He's blocking 6'4" dudes in the Adriatic League that just randomly bulldoze into him. And on 33% of those bulldozes (figure made up by me), he completely obliterates them with a foul.

He has absolutely no offensive game to speak of.

He's a decent rebounder for his size but nothing special (once again, in the Adriatic League). He looks like he belongs on the Isle of Misfit Toys trying to wrestle a loose ball from a grown Adriatic male.

I wouldn't even consider him with the 2nd round pick when guys like Rocco could be available. Please someone let me know if I've grossly miscalculated this evaluation.

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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#148 » by Muzbar » Sat Jun 14, 2025 4:17 am

ThisGuyFawkes wrote:Ok, I'm not sure if we're all talking about the same Beringer. This fellow is not good at basketball. He's blocking 6'4" dudes in the Adriatic League that just randomly bulldoze into him. And on 33% of those bulldozes (figure made up by me), he completely obliterates them with a foul.

He has absolutely no offensive game to speak of.

He's a decent rebounder for his size but nothing special (once again, in the Adriatic League). He looks like he belongs on the Isle of Misfit Toys trying to wrestle a loose ball from a grown Adriatic male.

I wouldn't even consider him with the 2nd round pick when guys like Rocco could be available. Please someone let me know if I've grossly miscalculated this evaluation.


I fully agree.

He just looks like an athlete. I don't see a basketball player whenever I watch him. I'd gladly take any other center (other than Derik Queen) over Beringer. He looks so janky.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#149 » by Dan Z » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:40 am

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Bastard he’s going top 10 now for sure. There’s a case to be made that from here to the draft he could be knocking on the door of top 5


Yeah man. He's been my guy for awhile (yours too, if I remember correctly), but now I don't even consider us having a chance of drafting him. I guess we're on to the B-tier list of guys available for our pick.

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Honestly, I wouldn't even be too upset with Powell or Jase.

I wasn't a big fan of Beringer based on my extremely in-depth review of his tankathon stats, but I'm enticed to watch some actual videos of him playing now.


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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#150 » by BullsSD » Sat Jun 14, 2025 6:09 am

I don’t believe in aliens but one just landed on my doorstep and told me Gafford Essengue and Buzelis will help Giddey and Coby win the 2028 championship. Coward was involved.

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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#151 » by 2weekswithpay » Sat Jun 14, 2025 6:33 am

drosestruts wrote:
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Jvaughn wrote:
Do you think he has that microwave ability? Or do you see him as more?


He can score from anywhere on the court and has a great work ethic and NBA pedigree. I wouldn't bet against him "figuring it out" and being something like Jalen Brunson.


I agree

And I feel like the "he's short" criticism doesn't hold much water, like finish the sentence he's short so he won't be able to....

Score at the rim? Actually he's one of the better at the rim finishers amongst all guards in the draft

Create space? He's got very good handles and moves great off the ball

Score in the mid-range? Again, one of the better prospects in the draft scoring in the mid range

Hit the three? he's a sniper

Guard effectivley? He's got a 6'6" wingspan


Jase only drives left. I wouldn't say he has great handles.

Basketball is a tall man's game. Everything is harder when you're short, and Jase being short is compounded by not being the PG at Michigan State.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#152 » by DuckIII » Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:32 pm

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ThisGuyFawkes wrote:Ok, I'm not sure if we're all talking about the same Beringer. This fellow is not good at basketball. He's blocking 6'4" dudes in the Adriatic League that just randomly bulldoze into him. And on 33% of those bulldozes (figure made up by me), he completely obliterates them with a foul.

He has absolutely no offensive game to speak of.

He's a decent rebounder for his size but nothing special (once again, in the Adriatic League). He looks like he belongs on the Isle of Misfit Toys trying to wrestle a loose ball from a grown Adriatic male.

I wouldn't even consider him with the 2nd round pick when guys like Rocco could be available. Please someone let me know if I've grossly miscalculated this evaluation.


I fully agree.

He just looks like an athlete. I don't see a basketball player whenever I watch him. I'd gladly take any other center (other than Derik Queen) over Beringer. He looks so janky.


He’s an extremely raw project. In my own post on him I agreed he has no offensive game. We are seeing the same things and interpreting what they mean differently.

For example, Guy repeatedly notes he was blocking guys in the Adriatic league that are short. However, at his height, speed and leaping ability it’s not all that relevant how tall they were unless they are his height and he can’t get it done (and there’s plenty of video of him blocking bigs too), because as a size/athlete combo he is still unusual. Further, it’s not the blocking of the shots, it’s the ground he covers while the ball is moving around the court that should be the focal point. The height of the guy involved in the end of the play doesn’t tell us anything new about Beringer.

This brings up another thing about scouting I posted awhile back about a different player. Competition is a factor, but the bar keeps moving as it keeps getting shown to be less significant. Used to be the whole “Euroleage” in general. And I’m not talking about 30 years ago. Said about Giannis. Was even said about Luka on this very board a not small number of times. Was said as recently as a year ago about the G-League in relationship to Matas. Is currently being said about Essenge and Beringer. And even Coward because his D-1 conference was not D-1y enough. Way back when it was said about virtually all HS kids.

It’s a factor. But it’s a small factor that at times is used almost definitively despite history telling us not to do that.

Now, there is another factor here that also makes a huge difference to subjective preference: do you want to draft a player who will impact winning next season? Beringer clearly will not. He is a massive project carrying all the risk that goes with it. My guess is no matter what team drafts him, he will play a very limited role next year.

I am totally fine with that for the Bulls. We are not and should not be trying to be a “next year” team. We need pieces, not “a piece.” But I also have patience and believe impatience in our situation - I.e. our constant state of being for the last 5 years - is a death warrant.

I want unique attributes and big swings. And only that with this particular pick.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#153 » by League Circles » Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:40 pm

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Muzbar wrote:
ThisGuyFawkes wrote:Ok, I'm not sure if we're all talking about the same Beringer. This fellow is not good at basketball. He's blocking 6'4" dudes in the Adriatic League that just randomly bulldoze into him. And on 33% of those bulldozes (figure made up by me), he completely obliterates them with a foul.

He has absolutely no offensive game to speak of.

He's a decent rebounder for his size but nothing special (once again, in the Adriatic League). He looks like he belongs on the Isle of Misfit Toys trying to wrestle a loose ball from a grown Adriatic male.

I wouldn't even consider him with the 2nd round pick when guys like Rocco could be available. Please someone let me know if I've grossly miscalculated this evaluation.


I fully agree.

He just looks like an athlete. I don't see a basketball player whenever I watch him. I'd gladly take any other center (other than Derik Queen) over Beringer. He looks so janky.


He’s an extremely raw project. In my own post on him I agreed he has no offensive game. We are seeing the same thing and interpreting what they mean differently.

For example, Guy repeatedly notes he was blocking guys in the Adriatic league that are short. However, at his height, speed and leaping ability it’s not all that relevant how tall they were unless they are his height, because as a size/athlete combo he is still unusual. Further, it’s not the blocking of the shots, it’s the ground he covers while the ball is moving around the court that should be the focal point, not the height of the guy involved in the end of the play.

Now, there is another factor here that also makes a huge difference to subjective preference: do you want to draft a player who will impact winning next season? Beringer clearly will not. He is a massive project carrying all the risk that goes with it.

Agreed fully. I have no care for someone to help us next year, but do consider how they (and their fit) project to help our other key players long term, and he has a decent chance. The guy has barely been playing basketball very long so if anyone is likely to improve it's him. He's not in my top 12 but he's probably in my top 20ish. Below Rocco for sure, but I'd be very happy with either at #45 if available.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#154 » by DuckIII » Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:51 pm

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Muzbar wrote:I fully agree.

He just looks like an athlete. I don't see a basketball player whenever I watch him. I'd gladly take any other center (other than Derik Queen) over Beringer. He looks so janky.


He’s an extremely raw project. In my own post on him I agreed he has no offensive game. We are seeing the same thing and interpreting what they mean differently.

For example, Guy repeatedly notes he was blocking guys in the Adriatic league that are short. However, at his height, speed and leaping ability it’s not all that relevant how tall they were unless they are his height, because as a size/athlete combo he is still unusual. Further, it’s not the blocking of the shots, it’s the ground he covers while the ball is moving around the court that should be the focal point, not the height of the guy involved in the end of the play.

Now, there is another factor here that also makes a huge difference to subjective preference: do you want to draft a player who will impact winning next season? Beringer clearly will not. He is a massive project carrying all the risk that goes with it.

Agreed fully. I have no care for someone to help us next year, but do consider how they (and their fit) project to help our other key players long term, and he has a decent chance. The guy has barely been playing basketball very long so if anyone is likely to improve it's him. He's not in my top 12 but he's probably in my top 20ish. Below Rocco for sure, but I'd be very happy with either at #45 if available.


Beringer is increasingly showing up in mocks between 10-20. Presumably this is based on at least some degree of intel. Draft Express has him rising. It seems extremely unlikely he would be available after the first round.

I have him 13th for the Bulls. So if things go the way I prefer we won’t draft him at 12. But I’d be excited to watch him develop if all 12 of my preferred guys are gone. His half court defensive potential and his unique ability to be a center who is a full court runner is ideal, on paper, with a Giddey centric team.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#155 » by Muzbar » Sat Jun 14, 2025 1:04 pm

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ThisGuyFawkes wrote:Ok, I'm not sure if we're all talking about the same Beringer. This fellow is not good at basketball. He's blocking 6'4" dudes in the Adriatic League that just randomly bulldoze into him. And on 33% of those bulldozes (figure made up by me), he completely obliterates them with a foul.

He has absolutely no offensive game to speak of.

He's a decent rebounder for his size but nothing special (once again, in the Adriatic League). He looks like he belongs on the Isle of Misfit Toys trying to wrestle a loose ball from a grown Adriatic male.

I wouldn't even consider him with the 2nd round pick when guys like Rocco could be available. Please someone let me know if I've grossly miscalculated this evaluation.


I fully agree.

He just looks like an athlete. I don't see a basketball player whenever I watch him. I'd gladly take any other center (other than Derik Queen) over Beringer. He looks so janky.


He’s an extremely raw project. In my own post on him I agreed he has no offensive game. We are seeing the same things and interpreting what they mean differently.

For example, Guy repeatedly notes he was blocking guys in the Adriatic league that are short. However, at his height, speed and leaping ability it’s not all that relevant how tall they were unless they are his height and ha can’t get it done (and there’s plenty of video of him blocking bigs too), because as a size/athlete combo he is still unusual. Further, it’s not the blocking of the shots, it’s the ground he covers while the ball is moving around the court that should be the focal point, not the height of the guy involved in the end of the play.

This brings up another thing about scouting I posted awhile back about a different player. Competition is a factor, but the bar keeps moving as it keeps getting shown to be less significant. Used to be the whole “Euroleage” in general. And I’m not talking about 30 years ago. Said about Giannis. Was even said about Luka on this very board a not small number of times. Was said as recently as a year ago about the G-League in relationship to Matas. Is currently being said about Essenge and Beringer. And even Coward because his D-1 conference was not D-1y enough. Way back when it was said about virtually all HS kids.

It’s a factor. But it’s a small factor that at times is used almost definitively despite history telling us not to do that.

Now, there is another factor here that also makes a huge difference to subjective preference: do you want to draft a player who will impact winning next season? Beringer clearly will not. He is a massive project carrying all the risk that goes with it. My guess is no matter what team drafts him, he will play a very limited role next year.

I am totally fine with that. But I also have patience and believe impatience in our situation - I.e. our constant state of being for the last 5 years - is a death warrant.

I want unique attributes and big swings. And only that with this particular pick.

I have no problems taking a project. I'd love for the Bulls to somehow pick up Maluach. But Beringer just looks like a run and jump athlete, his shot looks extremely awkward and he's a terrible FT shooter.

If he's there at #45, I'd have no problem taking him, but if there were other 2nd round bigs available like Rocco/Kalkbrenner/Yang I'd still take them first. No way I'd taking him at #12.

I don't find Beringer impressive at all.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#156 » by drosestruts » Sat Jun 14, 2025 1:58 pm

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He can score from anywhere on the court and has a great work ethic and NBA pedigree. I wouldn't bet against him "figuring it out" and being something like Jalen Brunson.


I agree

And I feel like the "he's short" criticism doesn't hold much water, like finish the sentence he's short so he won't be able to....

Score at the rim? Actually he's one of the better at the rim finishers amongst all guards in the draft

Create space? He's got very good handles and moves great off the ball

Score in the mid-range? Again, one of the better prospects in the draft scoring in the mid range

Hit the three? he's a sniper

Guard effectivley? He's got a 6'6" wingspan


Jase only drives left. I wouldn't say he has great handles.

Basketball is a tall man's game. Everything is harder when you're short, and Jase being short is compounded by not being the PG at Michigan State.


So weird that everyone knows Jase can only drive left and yet he seems to be able to do so whenever he wants, get to his spots, and score efficiently from all three-levels.

If Jase were taller and scored better with both hands he'd be a lock for a top-3 pick.

But here we re talking about pick 12 - where any player we draft will have areas of improvement. But Jase will have far less than most players we've been discussing.
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Post#157 » by drosestruts » Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:15 pm

Ulm wins again (Thursday)

Good game from Saraf - 16, 6, and 4

Meh game from Essengue - 9 points and 6 rebounds

Still really like Saraf's ball-handling, first-step, court awareness, and defensive effort.

Once he puts on some strength I can see his first-step, handles, and change of pace game leading to drawing a lot of fouls, and with added strength the ability to make those And-1's. Will need to improve his pull up 3 as well (already decent on catch and shoots).

There is a part of me intruiged by the idea of a backcourt with a 6'8" Giddey and a 6'7" Saraf. Throw in a 6'6" Lonzo and 6'10" Buzelis and we'd have a fast-paced, lengthy, great passing team that could be really. exciting and fun to watch.

For those that criticize players like Jase Richardsons inability to finish with his right hand (a valid criticisim). You'll love how many times left-handed Saraf finishes with his right in these highlights from his game Thursday

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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#158 » by DuckIII » Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:53 pm

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I agree

And I feel like the "he's short" criticism doesn't hold much water, like finish the sentence he's short so he won't be able to....

Score at the rim? Actually he's one of the better at the rim finishers amongst all guards in the draft

Create space? He's got very good handles and moves great off the ball

Score in the mid-range? Again, one of the better prospects in the draft scoring in the mid range

Hit the three? he's a sniper

Guard effectivley? He's got a 6'6" wingspan


Jase only drives left. I wouldn't say he has great handles.

Basketball is a tall man's game. Everything is harder when you're short, and Jase being short is compounded by not being the PG at Michigan State.


So weird that everyone knows Jase can only drive left and yet he seems to be able to do so whenever he wants, get to his spots, and score efficiently from all three-levels.

If Jase were taller and scored better with both hands he'd be a lock for a top-3 pick.

But here we re talking about pick 12 - where any player we draft will have areas of improvement. But Jase will have far less than most players we've been discussing.


Some things can be fixed and some can’t. Height doesn’t change. And how is it that a 6 foot guard, with an NBA dad, who presumably spent his entire youth basketball life learning at the highest levels we offer in the US, not be equally strong going both ways? My youngest son who is a freshman in HS is nearly equally strong going both ways already as is 90% of his AAU team. If you are gifted and put in some work, it’s not that hard. Especially when you are a short guard who kinda has to learn it. That said, I guess he could still get better at it. It’s just not a great backdrop for assuming it.

Plus his athleticism does not offset his height. It’s just okay. Slightly above average based on combine data for leaping, and pretty troubling in speed and quickness for a little guy:

- tied with KJ in lane agility with a relatively low rank.
- got smoked by both KJ and Demin of all people in the shuttle run and ranked low over all,
- his sprint speed in the 30 was tied with KJ and 0.10 behind a plodder like Demin and ranked below mid (22 out of 34)

These are very bad things for a guy I can look straight in the eye. I used KJ and Demin as comps because they are largely considered weak in the “athlete” department. And KJ and Demin are 6’6 and 6’9.

While there are guys with “more areas of improvement” that people prefer more, it’s because there is the ability to make those improvements as a physical matters. And the ceiling, if that improvement is reached, is much higher than a somewhat slow yet moderately athletic 6 foot shooter with long arms (his 6’6 wingspan is nice, but it still averages out at average for a PG and 3 inches below average for a SG so it’s not a trump card to being tiny).

I think there are drafts in which I would have Jase in the top 10. Just not in this one. At least not for the Bulls. If a more stable team is looking specifically for a scoring guard to fill a specific role right away, I could see him going top 12 as well. He’s not a bad prospect. I just don’t think he makes any sense - at all - for Chicago as either BPA or a fit.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#159 » by Chi town » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:05 pm

drosestruts wrote:Ulm wins again (Thursday)

Good game from Saraf - 16, 6, and 4

Meh game from Essengue - 9 points and 6 rebounds

Still really like Saraf's ball-handling, first-step, court awareness, and defensive effort.

Once he puts on some strength I can see his first-step, handles, and change of pace game leading to drawing a lot of fouls, and with added strength the ability to make those And-1's. Will need to improve his pull up 3 as well (already decent on catch and shoots).

There is a part of me intruiged by the idea of a backcourt with a 6'8" Giddey and a 6'7" Saraf. Throw in a 6'6" Lonzo and 6'10" Buzelis and we'd have a fast-paced, lengthy, great passing team that could be really. exciting and fun to watch.

For those that criticize players like Jase Richardsons inability to finish with his right hand (a valid criticisim). You'll love how many times left-handed Saraf finishes with his right in these highlights from his game Thursday



Saraf is like a 6’7 Dragic. Ginobili lite. Tough and gritty.

Those measurements have me intrigued if we get a 2nd first through trade.

Beringer probably gone
Kalkbrenner
Saraf
Powell

I’d be happy with all of them late 1st in AK’s Vuc trade. Fully expect us to simply take Rocco at 45 and no trades made.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#160 » by drosestruts » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:39 pm

In general, as a draft guy, I'm pretty risk-averse. I perhaps lean more towards players who floors I'm comfortable with than whose cielings I'm excited about (though just because a player has a good floor does not mean his ceiling is limited)

It's why my top 4 preferred players remain guys like - KJ, Kalkbrenner, Richardson, and Clifford.

But when I start dreaming, the guy I do really like is Saraf.

A lot of comments about the competition level he plays against with Ulm.

Well if we look at the Euro U18 tournament we can see his performance in comparison to, and in some cases directly against other playersin this draft class.

In U18 Saraf averaged 28, 5, and 5 to go along with 5 stocks on 45/36/76 shooting splits.

He scored 40 points in games against both Spain (Hugo Gonzales) and Serbia

He had 23, 5, and 5 with 3 stocks and 0 turnovers and a +16 against a France team featuring Essengue, Traore, and Beringer

KJ also played in the tournament though they never played head to head. Saraf's stats were far better.


If I were trying to make a big move in the draft - Saraf would be my guy. A Dragic, Ginobli, TJ McConnell hybird

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