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[RiotPunch]

Should of probably did a little research before this post but I am lazy.
Is Monk a FA this year? If so how much more could he cost that Trent? Because if they have a similar value in per year cost I think Monk is the way to go. Think he provides a dynamic on ball shooter with underrated playmaking. He always just seemed to pop with the ball in his hands. Think he has yet untapped potential especially as a ball handler in PnR situations. He has great athleticism and silky smooth looking jumper. He has always been used as 6th man instant offense type but would love to see what he can bring as starter especially with someone like Giannis. He could be your starter at PG with Giannis given lead playmaking duties. Always been a fan and think that in the right situation he could untapped ceiling still. Curious if anyone else is fan and if anyone has clue what his cost could be?

Malik Monk has a player option in 2027-28. He's firmly under contract.

Yeah, maybe give it a Goog before writing a novel.

[Xanadu]

Should of probably did a little research before this post but I am lazy.
Is Monk a FA this year? If so how much more could he cost that Trent? Because if they have a similar value in per year cost I think Monk is the way to go. Think he provides a dynamic on ball shooter with underrated playmaking. He always just seemed to pop with the ball in his hands. Think he has yet untapped potential especially as a ball handler in PnR situations. He has great athleticism and silky smooth looking jumper. He has always been used as 6th man instant offense type but would love to see what he can bring as starter especially with someone like Giannis. He could be your starter at PG with Giannis given lead playmaking duties. Always been a fan and think that in the right situation he could untapped ceiling still. Curious if anyone else is fan and if anyone has clue what his cost could be?

Malik Monk has a player option in 2027-28. He's firmly under contract.

Yeah, maybe give it a Goog before writing a novel.

Lol ok i will take the lump here. But even with that what about a sign and trade scenario for BP or Brook. Ok I am trying to trick someone into doing the legwork. I admitted I am lazy . But leave the how out of the equation. Anyone else a fan of his game and feel as I do? That he has always been kinda blocked by other lead guards. That well he has excelled in his role he has potential to be more in the right situation.

[RiotPunch]

Should of probably did a little research before this post but I am lazy.
Is Monk a FA this year? If so how much more could he cost that Trent? Because if they have a similar value in per year cost I think Monk is the way to go. Think he provides a dynamic on ball shooter with underrated playmaking. He always just seemed to pop with the ball in his hands. Think he has yet untapped potential especially as a ball handler in PnR situations. He has great athleticism and silky smooth looking jumper. He has always been used as 6th man instant offense type but would love to see what he can bring as starter especially with someone like Giannis. He could be your starter at PG with Giannis given lead playmaking duties. Always been a fan and think that in the right situation he could untapped ceiling still. Curious if anyone else is fan and if anyone has clue what his cost could be?

Malik Monk has a player option in 2027-28. He's firmly under contract.

Yeah, maybe give it a Goog before writing a novel.

Lol ok i will take the lump here. But even with that what about a sign and trade scenario for BP or Brook. Ok I am trying to trick someone into doing the legwork. I admitted I am lazy . But leave the how out of the equation. Anyone else a fan of his game and feel as I do? That he has always been kinda blocked by other lead guards. That well he has excelled in his role he has potential to be more in the right situation.

He's a streaky scorer, but definitely talented. Definitely not a point guard. I think he's fallen a bit out of favor under Christie. Lots of cooks in that guard kitchen. They've long been linked to Kuzma, I would kick the tires there at the very least.

[slos]

Not interested in signing any other guard than those Bucks already have.

KPJ/Rollins/Dame
GTJ/Green/Jackson

I’m totally fine with this and not interested in Schroder, Jones, Brogdon etc.

Let’s focus on that and use whatever other resources for the forward and C spots.

[RiotPunch]

Lowe with a little nugget tonight that we were in love with Nembhard, worked him out multiple times, and ultimately passed on him for Beauchamp. Makes sense that he always lights us up, just like Norm Powell. Man, we're dumb.

[ShootingtheJ]

I thought Trent was a replacement level player, a lot of those in free agency.

Sure, but did Trent separate himself during the playoffs? Did he show more once Dame was out of the way?

Almost like the root of "replacement level players" is pretty situational based on role/fit and pretty largely has nothing to do with how "good" they are.

Nothing to do with how good they are? Nope, that's wrong. Trent's play improved, and that increased his value. I don't remember you saying in season "forget what Trent has done this far, he'll shoot 50% from 3 in the playoffs, and he's about to become automatic on 17' stepbacks". Nice try with the contrarian act though

[ShootingtheJ]

Lowe with a little nugget tonight that we were in love with Nembhard, worked him out multiple times, and ultimately passed on him for Beauchamp. Makes sense that he always lights us up, just like Norm Powell. Man, we're dumb.

It's at least good news that we were smart enough to like him. He'd drive us nuts though with his uninspired regular season play.

[ShootingtheJ]

I mean maybe the Bucks never should have let Brogdon go?

Yeah he gets hurt but combo guards with size who can defend, shoot, attack the rack and distribute and are very hard to come by.

We cashed in on Brogdon, and used those assets positively.

[Baddy Chuck]

Sure, but did Trent separate himself during the playoffs? Did he show more once Dame was out of the way?

Almost like the root of "replacement level players" is pretty situational based on role/fit and pretty largely has nothing to do with how "good" they are.

Nothing to do with how good they are? Nope, that's wrong. Trent's play improved, and that increased his value. I don't remember you saying in season "forget what Trent has done this far, he'll shoot 50% from 3 in the playoffs". Nice try with the contrarian act though

The contrarian act was watching a dude be a useful player for us all season, a certified rotation piece, shoot 42% from three, didn't bitch about his role being moved around, competed nightly, had a skill set that made him useful in most situations and still saying we should just flip him for a couple seconds because his VORP had him pegged as a guy we could replace with someone off the scrap heap. I'm not the one using his two 30+ point outbursts, succeeding some single digit stinkers, as the reason he went from gum on Dalano Banton's shoe to "better than anything we could get in free agency".

[ShootingtheJ]

Almost like the root of "replacement level players" is pretty situational based on role/fit and pretty largely has nothing to do with how "good" they are.

Nothing to do with how good they are? Nope, that's wrong. Trent's play improved, and that increased his value. I don't remember you saying in season "forget what Trent has done this far, he'll shoot 50% from 3 in the playoffs". Nice try with the contrarian act though

The contrarian act was watching a dude be a useful player for us all season, a certified rotation piece, shoot 42% from three, didn't bitch about his role being moved around, competed nightly, had a skill set that made him useful in most situations and still saying we should just flip him for a couple seconds because his VORP had him pegged as a guy we could replace with someone off the scrap heap. I'm not the one using his two 30+ point outbursts, succeeding some single digit stinkers, as the reason he went from gum on Dalano Banton's shoe to "better than anything we could get in free agency".

Have you looked at what's available in free agency? Didn't think so. There's no one, I'd take a couple 2nds over all of them. Also, Trent wasn't good all season. He was straight up awful to start the year. Did you miss that? He improved late.

He still has a lot of holes in his game. Doesn't rebound or create, average defender. He can fill a role here, and with free agency unappealing, we keep him.

[Baddy Chuck]

Nothing to do with how good they are? Nope, that's wrong. Trent's play improved, and that increased his value. I don't remember you saying in season "forget what Trent has done this far, he'll shoot 50% from 3 in the playoffs". Nice try with the contrarian act though

The contrarian act was watching a dude be a useful player for us all season, a certified rotation piece, shoot 42% from three, didn't bitch about his role being moved around, competed nightly, had a skill set that made him useful in most situations and still saying we should just flip him for a couple seconds because his VORP had him pegged as a guy we could replace with someone off the scrap heap. I'm not the one using his two 30+ point outbursts, succeeding some single digit stinkers, as the reason he went from gum on Dalano Banton's shoe to "better than anything we could get in free agency".

Have you looked at what's available in free agency? Didn't think so. There's no one, I'd take a couple 2nds over all of them. Also, Trent wasn't good all season. He was straight up awful to start the year. Did you miss that? He improved late.

He still has a lot of holes in his game. Doesn't rebound or create, average defender. He can fill a role here, and with free agency unappealing, we keep him.

I do know what's available, not too long ago you were fawning over NAW, Ty Jerome and Quentin Grimes as Trent replacements but now the markets barren and nobody's better or worth second rounders, word.

Trent's value is as a shooter, I don't disagree there. He improved late yet his best shooting months by far were November, December and January where he shot 43.4%, 45.3% and 45.7% compared to 41.5%, 40.2% and 40% to end the season.

Those 2 playoff games did some heavy lifting.

[ShootingtheJ]

The contrarian act was watching a dude be a useful player for us all season, a certified rotation piece, shoot 42% from three, didn't bitch about his role being moved around, competed nightly, had a skill set that made him useful in most situations and still saying we should just flip him for a couple seconds because his VORP had him pegged as a guy we could replace with someone off the scrap heap. I'm not the one using his two 30+ point outbursts, succeeding some single digit stinkers, as the reason he went from gum on Dalano Banton's shoe to "better than anything we could get in free agency".

Have you looked at what's available in free agency? Didn't think so. There's no one, I'd take a couple 2nds over all of them. Also, Trent wasn't good all season. He was straight up awful to start the year. Did you miss that? He improved late.

He still has a lot of holes in his game. Doesn't rebound or create, average defender. He can fill a role here, and with free agency unappealing, we keep him.

I do know what's available, not too long ago you were fawning over NAW, Ty Jerome and Quentin Grimes as Trent replacements but now the markets barren and nobody's better or worth second rounders, word.

We don't have the cap room to get Grimes, and he's a RFA. My proposals involved stretching and waiving Dame, but it sounds like there might be suckers that will take him off our hands. NAW showed his slow 3 point release isn't built for playoff basketball. Jerome won't make it to free agency with Garlands injury.

What's your proposals? That's right, you never have any. You just stalk and whine about others. I'm honored to be the center of your universe though.

[Frank Nova]

I mean maybe the Bucks never should have let Brogdon go?

Yeah he gets hurt but combo guards with size who can defend, shoot, attack the rack and distribute and are very hard to come by.

Nah, we got a 1st and 2 2nds in a S&T. He’s played more than 56 games 1 time since leaving Milwaukee and he played 67 games in a bench role for Boston with his lowest minute total per game in his career up until last year. You’re remembering young Brogdon dunking on LeBron and Kyrie Irving in Cleveland. It was good times forsure and the theory on Malcolm Brogdon is everything you explained but we are now multiple years past all that.

[Baddy Chuck]

What's your proposals? That's right, you never have any. You just stalk and whine about others. I'm honored to be the center of your universe though.

This is honestly the dumbest thing I've ever read and you know it . I've posted probably as many fake trades/transactions on this board as anyone, given my opinion on basically anyone to ever don a Bucks uniform (or not) since I started posting. If your the center of my universe it's because you post so much of your "contrarian act" fart sniffing bull it becomes too comical to not point out, just like with this Gary Trent stuff.

I've said my peace on the Bucks future. I think we play for 2027. I'd tend to just "run it back" the best we can because that's essentially all that's on the table and just tread water hoping Giannis can carry us in a pretty mediocre field until then. I'd focus on KPJ as he's the biggest wild card we have in our hand, think he signs a 1+1 deal somewhere in our price range and we kinda have to try to win out on that as it's probably the highest potential acquisition we could make. I think KPJ will probably outprice us a bit to retain GTJ and he'll probably leave for elsewhere. If that happens you pretty much just start Green and try to find some stop gaps on the cheap, maybe even roll with a KPJ/Rollins/Green lineup. The market probably isn't going to be super strong though with a ton of wings out there so I think there's some chance he's back on a similar prove it deal. Maybe they split the MLE or something but seems a little light/hopeful. I'd keep Bobby for sure on his player option or a two year deal. Unless there was like some team options or an insane bargain deal I wouldn't really pay him past 2027. I don't think his trade value is much, especially on a sign and trade, but if someone was willing to bump the years on a deal he wants I'd pretty much just take whatever I could get. Rollins is a guy I'd love to keep, can't imagine he makes more than we'll give him. Sims can stay for peanuts, or I think you could probably find replacements without a ton of struggle. Brook I'd keep on basically a "we have this little money left, if you want it you can stay" type deal to where I think he just finds a home elsewhere.

All in all if I'd have to guess:
KPJ is back on a 1+1, hoping to get a payday off a year starting.
Bobby is back on a 1+1, hoping to get a payday off a year starting.
Brook is gone.
Trent is gone.
Rollins and Sims are back on minimum+ inoffensive deals.
Dame and Kuzma won't be traded in the offseason, think the world where all these teams coveting Kuzma is fantasy from prior times and he's just a bad contract right now.
Round out the roster with low VORP whipping boys wings on the cheap like some Bruce Browns or Gary Harris' with probably sprinkle of some Boucher/Achiuwa level big.

[German Athens]

KPJ is a higher priority for me than Trent. We’ve proven lately that shooting can be a cheap commodity - Trent, Beasley, AJ Green, Grayson, Merrill. I expect that to continue with Giannis.

What KPJ offers is much harder to find.

Shooting is not a cheap commodity, unless you define shooting as a standstill shooter who can't shoot any other shot (Prince).

It's why a guy like Kneuppel is so highly coveted, despite limited athleticism.

Don't lump Trent and AJ Green with the rest of the guys you mentioned. Green can shoot on the move, as can Trent. KPJ was
mediocre in his career until the last quarter of last season. Was he worth Marjon-yes. But he may be on a long list of coveted athletes with potential that this board has always adored and then are disappointed in.

I’m not saying shooting ability isn’t necessary, it absolutely is, I’m saying it’s cheap to acquire, and it’s probably the most prevalent skill across the basketball world.

I listed 5 recent Bucks examples where we acquired very good to elite level shooting at very little cost. I think with Giannis, that will continue.

I completely agree that the type of shooter they are is far more important than just staring at percentages. Movement and pull up shooters are much much more important than stand still guys. And if those shooters have other NBA skills, their value quickly rises.

But, some of the guys I mentioned are absolutely the same caliber of shooters as Trent. Beasley literally finished 2nd in the entire NBA this past season in 3pm. He also had a significantly higher percentage of his attempts come off screens than either Green or Trent. Frankly, he’s probably the best movement shooter of the bunch, but I’d say they are comparable.

Merrill also had a higher percentage of his shots come off screens than either Green or Trent, but it’s closer, and when you factor in handoff% , it’s comparable with Green.

Regardless of that, Green was an UDFA, Trent and Beasley came to the Bucks on the min (thank you Giannis), Merrill was the last pick in the draft, and Grayson was acquired with a couple 2nds. That’s my point.

I’m perfectly fine giving Trent 8-10m like is rumored. He’s a very good shooter, who can get to his shots in various ways, and he’s still only 26. There’s not much downside to him on that contract, but if I’m forced to pick between him and KPJ, I’m picking KPJ, because we could probably find another cheap shooter, like we have for years, fill the void of Trent.

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[German Athens]

To add to the novel I wrote up there, I’d like to get more shooting on the roster this year, particularly movement shooters. If this roster has more of that at various positions, we’ll be better off for it.

[ShootingtheJ]

Borrowing from German Athens idea of adding a 1st with our swap rights, and trying to come close to the Pelicans asking price for Trey Murphy.

OKC gets: Bucks 2026 secondary swap rights
NOP gets: Kyle Kuzma, Andre Jackson, #24 via OKC, Bucks 2031 - 1st
Bucks get: Trey Murphy

[Bernman]

It's the long-awaited return of Kuz Kontrol!

Here's the thing. I only took 11 days off after the season.

That's probably the shortest break I've taken in recent years, but I had a bitter taste in my mouth with how everything ended for us and for me personally.

I wanted to get back to work and attack this summer.

Training has been going good. I've been in the gym consistently, and at this stage of my career, turning 30, it's more about maintaining my body and making sure I can maximize my performance during the NBA season.

The approach has shifted too. When I was 26, 27, 28, I was spending a lot of time lifting heavy weights and building that foundation.

Now, I'm pretty much where I need to be from a strength and body perspective, so it's more about attacking basketball and getting more time on the court.

It's all about being smart with how I prepare.

The work never stops, but the focus changes as you get older and understand what your body needs.

https://newsletter.kuzkontrol.com/p/my-summer-adventures-and-the-big-3-0

Acknowledging he was bad & taking the offseason more seriously this time at least.

[soxperry]

Sure, but did Trent separate himself during the playoffs? Did he show more once Dame was out of the way?

Almost like the root of "replacement level players" is pretty situational based on role/fit and pretty largely has nothing to do with how "good" they are.

Nothing to do with how good they are? Nope, that's wrong. Trent's play improved, and that increased his value. I don't remember you saying in season "forget what Trent has done this far, he'll shoot 50% from 3 in the playoffs, and he's about to become automatic on 17' stepbacks". Nice try with the contrarian act though

idk if Trent really increased his value all that much. everyone knew he was pretty decent. he had said that he turned down like 15m per year or something from Toronto and it was presumed he was coming here to both contend and earn a bigger contract. Unfortunately for him, I think the league has shifted quite a bit even in the past couple years where teams are just kinda done paying guys who can't do much more than shoot. We love Trent's mindset and demeanor and his shooting, but he doesn't bring a ton more than that outside of some steals here and there.

There IS a weak free agent class so i can see a contender spending 10-14 on him if they really really need shooting (maybe Orlando or Houston). But in no way is he going to be a needle mover for us so if he wont take the BAE then we will find the next SG who wants to get insane amount of wide open 3pa playing with Giannis.