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The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1881 » by BobbieL » Sat Jun 14, 2025 1:11 pm

Saberestar wrote:The latest from Gambo.

The Suns have an offer that they like but is giving the other suitors the opportunity to improve their offers.

He agrees with Shams on Wolves and Houston but for what he has heard the Heat's offer is not close. He said something like that, don't take my words literal.

He said that he has a good feeling about getting a good package for KD.


I think the Twolves are a bit desperate --
I think it will be the names mentioned - Gobert, not Randle
If I recall, Gobert wasn't effective on the court in the playoffs
He will help the Suns defense. Just how many picks will they give up
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Post#1882 » by Bogyo » Sat Jun 14, 2025 1:13 pm

Frank Lee wrote:The Spartan office must have confidence in Dillingham else a Minnesota trade really yields mediocre picks. At least Gobert (if that’s the salary bulk) and Dante are legit NBA guys. But this can’t be the ‘best offer’ the media says they have.

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Why couldn't it be? After what you saw from KD would you give up much to have him on your team next year?
Gobert is an all-nba defensive center (maybe 2nd team all defense by now, but still there), with OK salary, expiring 2-3 years. DDV is a legit 5th/6th guy with an OK contract, has playoff and finals experience, easily tradeable. Dillingham is a top 10 pick from last year. A mid teens pick this year. That is about fair value in my book, as much as I dislike it. If we can twist their arm against the Houston package or SA, or even Miami with Ware and other stuff - I'm all for it, but at this moment unlikely to say the least.
If you were on the other side of this trade for KD how much more would YOU be willing to give up?
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1883 » by BobbieL » Sat Jun 14, 2025 1:46 pm

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Frank Lee wrote:The Spartan office must have confidence in Dillingham else a Minnesota trade really yields mediocre picks. At least Gobert (if that’s the salary bulk) and Dante are legit NBA guys. But this can’t be the ‘best offer’ the media says they have.

Moment of truth coming.


Why couldn't it be? After what you saw from KD would you give up much to have him on your team next year?
Gobert is an all-nba defensive center (maybe 2nd team all defense by now, but still there), with OK salary, expiring 2-3 years. DDV is a legit 5th/6th guy with an OK contract, has playoff and finals experience, easily tradeable. Dillingham is a top 10 pick from last year. A mid teens pick this year. That is about fair value in my book, as much as I dislike it. If we can twist their arm against the Houston package or SA, or even Miami with Ware and other stuff - I'm all for it, but at this moment unlikely to say the least.
If you were on the other side of this trade for KD how much more would YOU be willing to give up?


I have always thought Ishbia would want to more win now move over something like the Houston or SA packages which are longer term. The Rockets and Spurs trades take patience and vision. Not sure MatIshbia has either of those two things.

With that - I thought he would want a veteran type player -- Towns, Markkanen have been mentioned. Now Randle or Gobert. Of those Gobert I think helps Booker the most -- his contract isn't horrible though he is a bit older. But there is a model around Booker and I think if a guy like Dillingham can be a decent enough PG and Gobert on the defense -- I guess we see. Like BWG said, still think they are close to the 10th seed at best
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Post#1884 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jun 14, 2025 1:47 pm

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Post#1885 » by One_and_Done » Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:08 pm

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I guess the deal is Randle & maybe DDV then.
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Post#1886 » by Bogyo » Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:51 pm

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I guess the deal is Randle & maybe DDV then.


Not too happy about that if its true. Randle is a better basketball player, but Gobert is a better fit and this way Wolves can even say that they are not giving up (good) picks as they are giving up a better player... So in this particular case I'd take the lesser player who is better fit, and better complementary fillers (Dillingham and picks).
***edit/disclaimer: and I happen to like Randle a bit more than many here - he is a more useful (better) player than he is given credit for. Not a 1A type either, but not a scrub like you'd think by some of the comments here...
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Post#1887 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:07 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:if u guys can get Ware from Miami, take it and run


Ware is essential to a good trade package for KD. But even worse case scenario if the Suns were to accept something along the lines of my " R & R" ( Rozier and Robinson centered package) as a last resort failsafe offer,

They still he getting around 45 million in expirings, two somewhat decent although not great young prospects in Jovic and Jacquez. But most importantly, even with the 20th pick being this year's value ( meh)!! At 20, they could likely then draft Jo'an Beringer for a very similar young high upside center archetype to Ware.

Great in size/ length ( 6'11) and wingspan (7'6). And he has elite mobility/ recovery/ switchability (due to his lateral foot speed and hip fluidity) rim protection upside and a developing faceup game. That would enable the Suns to then take a solid eing defender like Adou Thiero or Drake Powell at 29.

Not at all ideal, but not terrible either as that 45 million can then be put towards either 26' free agency and a big offer to Mikal Bridges (unrestricted free agent).

Or maybe get really creative and deal the $45 million cap space (expirings)/ O'neale/ Miami picks ( two future 1sts) to Utah for Markannen?? :dontknow:
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Post#1888 » by Bogyo » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:14 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:if u guys can get Ware from Miami, take it and run


Ware is essential to a good trade package for KD. But even worse case scenario if the Suns were to accept something along the lines of my " R & R" ( Rozier and Robinson centered package) as a last resort failsafe offer,

They still he getting around 45 million in expirings, two somewhat decent although not great young prospects in Jovic and Jacquez. But most importantly, even with the 20th pick being this year's value ( meh)!! At 20, they could likely then draft Jo'an Beringer for a very similar young high upside center archetype to Ware.

Great in size/ length ( 6'11) and wingspan (7'6). And he has elite mobility/ recovery/ switchability (due to his lateral foot speed and hip fluidity) rim protection upside and a developing faceup game. That would enable the Suns to then take a solid eing defender like Adou Thiero or Drake Powell at 29.

Not at all ideal, but not terrible either as that 45 million can then be put towards either 26' free agency and a big offer to Mikal Bridges (unrestricted free agent).

Or maybe get really creative and deal the $45 million cap space (expirings)/ O'neale/ Miami picks ( two future 1sts) to Utah for Markannen?? :dontknow:


I don't see Ishbia taking a "development" package instead of a "win-now"... R&R is abouit expiring contracts and Ware (plus Jovic I would really hope).
Any of the Minny solutions beats that in the "win now" department.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1889 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:14 pm

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I guess the deal is Randle & maybe DDV then.


That alone wouldn't get it done in terms of what the Suns are looking for in a value return, nor would it work with the Wolves cap situation under the CBA ( unless the cut and stretched some players?? Buyout Conley)?? Cut Garza and Clarke or Minott? They could get there, but who knows?

Also for value, a Randle centered package would have to include at least Di Vincenzo/ Dillingham/ Minott or Miller (salary purposes) the 17th pick/ 31st pick/ MIN 32' 1st.

Otherwise the value just isn't close enough to an equitable threshold exchange. And obviously I wouldn't take anything less than that If I were the Suns. :nod:

** And I like Randle for his low post dominance and for his 30 million expiring contract.
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Post#1891 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:38 pm

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I'd do that. I'd actually probably prefer the 2027 & 2029 picks, because I think Book will be gone, and we will be near the bottom, if not at the bottom.



Yup. I would do that trade.

Then flip Brooks to a contender for a future lottery protected first or late first. Nuggets would love him, they need an enforcer slash pest wing defender.


With Green, Suns can then flip him to Nets for Claxton and 2 first rounders. I'm sure Nets want young assets these days.
this team would win 20 games with Booker and Clayton as your best 2 players


Who will be our 2nd and 3rd best players? I imagine we will have the worst 2nd and 3rd best players in the NBA. And the majority of teams these days hav a player better than Book as their best, and sometimes 2.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1892 » by Saberestar » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:47 pm

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I wouldn't be shocked if the Raptors trade for KD.

I think KD is open minded about playing for a team like the Raptors. He wouldn't commit to them but he would give them a chance during the year.

Barrett/Poetl/#9 could be the offer on the table and we are trying to get more draft capital out of them.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1893 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sat Jun 14, 2025 3:58 pm

I predict the 'leaders' in the KD trade will change 5 times in the next week. Talking heads got to keep getting that engagement on socials.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1894 » by Slim Charless » Sat Jun 14, 2025 4:15 pm

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I guess the deal is Randle & maybe DDV then.


Not too happy about that if its true. Randle is a better basketball player, but Gobert is a better fit and this way Wolves can even say that they are not giving up (good) picks as they are giving up a better player... So in this particular case I'd take the lesser player who is better fit, and better complementary fillers (Dillingham and picks).
***edit/disclaimer: and I happen to like Randle a bit more than many here - he is a more useful (better) player than he is given credit for. Not a 1A type either, but not a scrub like you'd think by some of the comments here...


Houston for Jabari/Jalen green/ both 27+29 picks returned.

Then we flip Green/Royce to BRK for Claxton. We get our C and PF, picks for the future and 30 million of cap room.


Works for everyone......except the Spurs.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1895 » by Saberestar » Sat Jun 14, 2025 4:49 pm

After discussing Game 4 of the NBA Finals on The Zach Lowe show, the eponymous host and Bill Simmons talked NBA trade buzz. Most of the discussion focused on a seemingly impending Kevin Durant trade from the Phoenix Suns.

After listing off the known suitors of the Minnesota Timberwolves, Houston Rockets and Miami Heat, Lowe and Simmons agreed that the San Antonio Spurs should still be considered a potential Durant landing spot. The two also agreed that buzz around the Toronto Raptors should be taken seriously.
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Post#1896 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jun 14, 2025 4:53 pm

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1897 » by Sunsdeuce » Sat Jun 14, 2025 4:58 pm

Saberestar wrote:The latest from Gambo.

The Suns have an offer that they like but is giving the other suitors the opportunity to improve their offers.

He agrees with Shams on Wolves and Houston but for what he has heard the Heat's offer is not close. He said something like that, don't take my words literal.

He said that he has a good feeling about getting a good package for KD.

What his idea of a good package and mine/other people’s are vastly didn’t things.

Let’s remind people Gambo said the Suns had a great offseason in 2023 when they signed Vogel and all the trash players he tried to convince everyone were fantastic players to put around KD and Booker. How’d that work out fo Gambo and his propaganda?
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1898 » by Sunsdeuce » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:03 pm

Two players that’s are way overrated on this board are Cam Johnson and Claxton! Can we stop acting like they are awesome players. The infatuation with those two is nauseating. Cam was only good if he was hitting threes, otherwise he was worthless or hurt. Claxton is a decent role player but more of a decent throw-in who can contribute but not a center piece of a trade.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1899 » by Saberestar » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:20 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:
Saberestar wrote:The latest from Gambo.

The Suns have an offer that they like but is giving the other suitors the opportunity to improve their offers.

He agrees with Shams on Wolves and Houston but for what he has heard the Heat's offer is not close. He said something like that, don't take my words literal.

He said that he has a good feeling about getting a good package for KD.

What his idea of a good package and mine/other people’s are vastly didn’t things.

Let’s remind people Gambo said the Suns had a great offseason in 2023 when they signed Vogel and all the trash players he tried to convince everyone were fantastic players to put around KD and Booker. How’d that work out fo Gambo and his propaganda?

What realistic trade do you like? Good package in your opinion.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1900 » by BobbieL » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:54 pm

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Poeltl and Barrett of course
maybe add Castleton or Shead


One thing about the Twolves - I read that they cannot make a trade as they are a second apron team until post July 1

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