2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft - Volume III

[Arsenal]

Imagine that same guy NEEDING every shot outside of the rim to be created for him because on pull-ups he shot 14% and admits he's not comfortable doing them.

Who was creating shots for him during the ACC tournament? Cooper Flagg?

No one asking why didn't this kid work on that shot all this time?

Maybe he was reasonably practicing the things he needed to do for the offense that Duke was running?

If we were drafting Kon Kneuppel to play in the National ACC Tournament Basketball Association (NATBA) instead of the NBA, then he'd be the pick for sure.

Unfortunately in the NBA he is a defensive liability because he's not quick enough to defend guards, and not long enough to defend forwards and wings.

And on offense he'll need to be spoonfed looks since he can't create his own shot off the dribble. Couldn't do it in college against future accountants, no chance in the NBA with long athletes crowding his t-rex wingspan.

Most likely outcome is a 3 and no D.

[76ciology]

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He’s got a solid foundation for creating off the dribble. Honestly, he looks like he has a deeper bag than Ace.

There’s reason for optimism in Kneuppel’s shot creation.

Halfcourt shot attempts:
-At the rim: 87 total attempts, only 26% assisted, finishing at 61% FG
-Midrange: 40 total attempts, just 11% assisted, converting at 40% FG

[76ciology]

Kon Knueppel’s Defensive Stats:

All FGA Against: 85-277 (30.7%)
Catch & Shoot: 33-98 (33.7%)
Dribble Jumpers: 23-94 (24.5%)
Around the Rim: 14-44 (31.8%)

On defense, his team plays 16.4 point better vs T50 teams (99DRTG off vs 82.6 DRTG on)

Im not saying he’a a good defensive player but Im confident he can find ways to be a neutral defender on the court.

[Stanford]

Yeah, calling Kon "3 and no D" seems ridiculous. He's clearly capable of so much more on offense. McCain would have been called "3 and no D" by the same people last year and he should have gone in the top 5.

[Arsenal]

Yeah, calling Kon "3 and no D" seems ridiculous. He's clearly capable of so much more on offense. McCain would have been called "3 and no D" by the same people last year and he should have gone in the top 5.

Yeah and you and all the other geniuses knew beforehand that McCain should go top 5. Thanks Captain Hindsight!

I'm not saying he's a bad player, I'm saying Kon is a complementary player who should be a late lotto pick, not anywhere near #3 overall.

[Jailblazers7]

Kon with a very weird set of test results:

Better max vert than Ace
Better shuttle run than VJ
Slow as hell 3/4 sprint and lane agility

He’s clearly got some nice strength and body control from his tape this year. Part of me is nervous about a slowish white guy in the NBA but every time I watch him play I’m convinced he’s going to be awesome.

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He’s got a solid foundation for creating off the dribble. Honestly, he looks like he has a deeper bag than Ace.

There’s reason for optimism in Kneuppel’s shot creation.

Halfcourt shot attempts:
-At the rim: 87 total attempts, only 26% assisted, finishing at 61% FG
-Midrange: 40 total attempts, just 11% assisted, converting at 40% FG

The most evident thing in the Kon "highlight" video is how WIDE OPEN the floor is. He's getting straight 1 on 1 defense with zero attention paid by all the other defenders, who are sticking like glue to Kon's teammates.

Kon benefitted from the insane gravity on that stacked Duke team where defenses didn't pay attention to him. There's absolutely nothing there that shows he can be a #1 offensive option against tough, athletic defenses focusing on him.

[Arsenal]

Kon Knueppel’s Defensive Stats:

All FGA Against: 85-277 (30.7%)
Catch & Shoot: 33-98 (33.7%)
Dribble Jumpers: 23-94 (24.5%)
Around the Rim: 14-44 (31.8%)

On defense, his team plays 16.4 point better vs T50 teams (99DRTG off vs 82.6 DRTG on)

Im not saying he’a a good defensive player but Im confident he can find ways to be a neutral defender on the court.

I find it interesting how defensive FG% against and on/off stats show Kon Kneuppel is going to be a good defender, while even better stats for Ace mean nothing lol.

No one thinks Kon is going to be a great defender. Again on a stacked team he would get favorable defensive matchups since everyone else on the floor was a plus defender.

[Stanford]

Yeah and you and all the other geniuses knew beforehand that McCain should go top 5. Thanks Captain Hindsight!

Completely missing the point, as usual! Oops!

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He’s got a solid foundation for creating off the dribble. Honestly, he looks like he has a deeper bag than Ace.

There’s reason for optimism in Kneuppel’s shot creation.

Halfcourt shot attempts:
-At the rim: 87 total attempts, only 26% assisted, finishing at 61% FG
-Midrange: 40 total attempts, just 11% assisted, converting at 40% FG

The most evident thing in the Kon "highlight" video is how WIDE OPEN the floor is. He's getting straight 1 on 1 defense with zero attention paid by all the other defenders, who are sticking like glue to Kon's teammates.

Kon benefitted from the insane gravity on that stacked Duke team where defenses didn't pay attention to him. There's absolutely nothing there that shows he can be a #1 offensive option against tough, athletic defenses focusing on him.

Yeah, but in this clip, he still shows he can blow by his man off the dribble and get paint touches. Once he’s in the lane, he’s got a deep bag, using a variety of moves to create space and finish with that soft shooting touch. I don’t expect him to beat most defenders in isolation, but off a screen, I think he can get downhill and make plays.

[Arsenal]

Yeah and you and all the other geniuses knew beforehand that McCain should go top 5. Thanks Captain Hindsight!

Completely missing the point, as usual! Oops!

Do you think Kon Kneuppel should be picked #3 overall? YES or NO?

I'm a firm HELL NO.

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He’s got a solid foundation for creating off the dribble. Honestly, he looks like he has a deeper bag than Ace.

There’s reason for optimism in Kneuppel’s shot creation.

Halfcourt shot attempts:
-At the rim: 87 total attempts, only 26% assisted, finishing at 61% FG
-Midrange: 40 total attempts, just 11% assisted, converting at 40% FG

The most evident thing in the Kon "highlight" video is how WIDE OPEN the floor is. He's getting straight 1 on 1 defense with zero attention paid by all the other defenders, who are sticking like glue to Kon's teammates.

Kon benefitted from the insane gravity on that stacked Duke team where defenses didn't pay attention to him. There's absolutely nothing there that shows he can be a #1 offensive option against tough, athletic defenses focusing on him.

Yeah, but in this clip, he still shows he can blow by his man off the dribble and get paint touches. Once he’s in the lane, he’s got a deep bag, using a variety of moves to create space and finish with that soft shooting touch. I don’t expect him to beat most defenders in isolation, but off a screen, I think he can get downhill and make plays.

He's not "blowing by" anyone. This stuff will not work against tough, athletic NBA defenders. And he's a terrible off the dribble 3PT shooter so defenders will go over the screen every time and force him to try to get to the rim.

[76ciology]

The most evident thing in the Kon "highlight" video is how WIDE OPEN the floor is. He's getting straight 1 on 1 defense with zero attention paid by all the other defenders, who are sticking like glue to Kon's teammates.

Kon benefitted from the insane gravity on that stacked Duke team where defenses didn't pay attention to him. There's absolutely nothing there that shows he can be a #1 offensive option against tough, athletic defenses focusing on him.

Yeah, but in this clip, he still shows he can blow by his man off the dribble and get paint touches. Once he’s in the lane, he’s got a deep bag, using a variety of moves to create space and finish with that soft shooting touch. I don’t expect him to beat most defenders in isolation, but off a screen, I think he can get downhill and make plays.

He's not "blowing by" anyone. This stuff will not work against tough, athletic NBA defenders. And he's a terrible off the dribble 3PT shooter so defenders will go over the screen every time and force him to try to get to the rim.

From there, he can drive and score in the midrange or finish in the paint, he’s effective in both areas. He also has good basketball IQ, consistently making the right reads and finding the open teammate when the defense collapses.

[76ciology]

Kon’s not someone you run isolations for like he’s Luka Doncic, but he’s more than capable of creating shots for himself and others off a screen.

Ideally, you pair him with a primary creator on the strong side who draws defensive attention. That allows Kon to operate on the weak side, where he can c&s, attack closeouts, run a 2 man game or come off screen actions. From there, he can score from 3, midrange, or at the rim, and he has the IQ to make the right read, whether that’s passing, pulling up, or driving.

[Negrodamus]

Yeah, calling Kon "3 and no D" seems ridiculous. He's clearly capable of so much more on offense. McCain would have been called "3 and no D" by the same people last year and he should have gone in the top 5.

Yeah and you and all the other geniuses knew beforehand that McCain should go top 5. Thanks Captain Hindsight!

I'm not saying he's a bad player, I'm saying Kon is a complementary player who should be a late lotto pick, not anywhere near #3 overall.

If we didn't have Maxey as a second star, I unfortunately think Jared McCain is going to be one of the guys that becomes a real player in this league. My only concern for him is his ability to actually run as the PG. His basically neutral W/S is going to be an issue on defense, or at minimum it'll be limited on who he can guard. But he got his FTr up a decent amount near the end of the season and his shooting numbers are some of the best in this draft. I also think his offcourt personality lends to the type of guys who pan out as stars in the league.

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I don’t know about top five, but I saw the star potential!

[Arsenal]

Yeah, calling Kon "3 and no D" seems ridiculous. He's clearly capable of so much more on offense. McCain would have been called "3 and no D" by the same people last year and he should have gone in the top 5.

Yeah and you and all the other geniuses knew beforehand that McCain should go top 5. Thanks Captain Hindsight!

I'm not saying he's a bad player, I'm saying Kon is a complementary player who should be a late lotto pick, not anywhere near #3 overall.

If we didn't have Maxey as a second star, I unfortunately think Jared McCain is going to be one of the guys that becomes a real player in this league. My only concern for him is his ability to actually run as the PG. His basically neutral W/S is going to be an issue on defense, or at minimum it'll be limited on who he can guard. But he got his FTr up a decent amount near the end of the season and his shooting numbers are some of the best in this draft. I also think his offcourt personality lends to the type of guys who pan out as stars in the league.

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I don’t know about top five, but I saw the star potential!

I'm not the kind of guy to say "I told you so"... but I was all about McCain too! Likewise Kon would be a home run pick at #16 overall.

I’m a huge fan of McCain based solely on the numbers. It’s just he’s not a good fit with Maxey. Even so, if he’s the BPA take him anyway and figure it out later. Worst case you can trade him for a haul after a year or two.

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[FireMorey]

The closer we get, the more I think the Sixers move up for Harper.

[mjkvol]

For what it's worth, I don't put a whole lot of stock into combine testing as games in the real world have attributes like basketball-IQ and processing speed impacting how fast players actually are as they need to recognize plays and decide where to go, on top of actually running there,

Amen, brother.

[mjkvol]

Kon with a very weird set of test results:

Better max vert than Ace
Better shuttle run than VJ
Slow as hell 3/4 sprint and lane agility

He’s clearly got some nice strength and body control from his tape this year. Part of me is nervous about a slowish white guy in the NBA but every time I watch him play I’m convinced he’s going to be awesome.

Agree. He's the classic case of a player that draft nerds crush due to his numbers and measurables, and then you put on the tape and see a baller who makes plays and impacts winning. Give me a couple of that kind of guy.