I'm SICK of the Omar/Willie Bashing

[gooGD]

I read it everywhere, on various mets forums, here and probably most prominently over at that site called metsblog.


I'm just so tired of reading that we suck and Omar should get dumped because he hasn't improved the pitching staff.. That Willie should get fired because of the debacle at the end of the year.


"OH Willie should go light a fire under these guys and go argue a call"

Yeah. Whatever. That kind of mentality is just backwards thinking. These guys are professional ball players, they don't need motivation to go up there and hit the ball... No one on our team can be characterized with a lack of "care" a la Eddy McCurry.


Omar- What do you want him to do? Trade Reyes for Santana without even thinking about it? Then give 7 years/25mil to Santana immediately?

****, even the Mets "fan" who supports trading Reyes isn't gonna pull the trigger on Santana so quick.

If Omar couldve had frontline pitching, we already would have had traded for it, plain and simple. We don't have the horses to compete with Boston, Yanks, Arizona, Tigers, etc. Plain and **** simple.

"oh fire omar fire omar he hasnt done anything we're an 80 win team"

Tell me again, what exactly you would do if you were in his position to improve the pitching staff???

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[mets87]

true enough. most people think the manager has more of an effect on a game than he really does. i've seen some interesting research on that topic at baseball prospectus. the guys didn't need a fire lit under them anyway, the offense was fine. the bullpen was awful...how do you light a fire under a pitcher? how does that help him?

milledge's value was terribly low; it's been stated time and time again that he wasn't going to get us a frontline starter. should he have traded him if his value was so low? that debate could go on forever.

just sign a free agent pitcher, we'll see how this year goes and then next year we can make some moves.

[Manhattan Project]

Well it depends if you actually believe the effect of a Great Coach. Do you prefer the laid back coach like Torre or do you like the guys like Pinella? In regards to motivation you can see it on the bench. Guys like Julio Franco did wonders for this team, OFF THE FIELD. He was the one that helped Beltran start to warm up to New York. He to me was the latin glue guy that related everyone on team. One thing that will always be overlooked is the hiring of Henderson, I think he spoiled the team a bit.

As far as Omar goes its a trick situation. We will blast him if we sign a guy like Garza for a contract that is overkill, yet we will blast him for not doing anything. As far as Santana goes Im willing to deal any of the prospects, any combo as well. However you dont trade Reyes for anyone outside of a guy like Pujols today. Pitching is great and all, but Reyes is FAR to important to this team. People who say he is easily replaceable need to look again how important he was to us.

[bringinhinkie]

i think your making way too many generalizations.. as far as ive seen, the primary omar bashing is from the milledge trade, which was beyond awful and ill never get over personally EVEN if he doesnt pan out.. this is a 90 win team, its almost the same team we had 2 years ago when were couldve won 102+ if not for resting our stars the last batch of games - wright and reyes are only getting BETTER! last year was obviously just a catastrophic slump, its not like we were lucky the last 1 and 3/4 years and our true team showed the last quarter of last season, it was a slump, sh*t happens - if anything itll be motivation for this year

[mjhp911]

Omar- What do you want him to do? Trade Reyes for Santana without even thinking about it? Then give 7 years/25mil to Santana immediately?

****, even the Mets "fan" who supports trading Reyes isn't gonna pull the trigger on Santana so quick.

If Omar couldve had frontline pitching, we already would have had traded for it, plain and simple. We don't have the horses to compete with Boston, Yanks, Arizona, Tigers, etc. Plain and **** simple.

"oh fire omar fire omar he hasnt done anything we're an 80 win team"

Tell me again, what exactly you would do if you were in his position to improve the pitching staff???

We had a World Series winner TWO YEARS ago. Had we traded for Zito, in season, using Milledge, we would have taken St. Loo, and gone on to the Series. We had the best team in baseball that year, and we've been regressing ever since. We WASTED our best shot at a Series winner, we should have struck while the iron was hot. Yeah , sure, NOW we can't compete with the Bostons, 'Zona's and Detroits of the world... but that's precisely why we should have done all we possibly could to go for it that season. We don't know what the future holds, and sure enough, we've gone backwards since.

As for pitching, as long as we don't overpay for quality picthing, we will NEVER be able to compete with the Bostons, 'Zona's and Detroits of the world. So sure, we may as well waste Wright's and Reyes' best years as an also-ran, right? If that's the case, rebuild again then. Omar keeps loafing around here. He needs to start doing something, or we'll always be just a pretender. We're opening up a new stadium in '09, we better have a real contender by then.

[mets87]

great post.

oh wait, it sucked. say something constructive, thanks.

[34Celtic]

All Omar has to do is make a move to put this team over the top...trading Reyes for Santana and bringing in a smart shortstop who has the mental aspect to be a winner (not saying Reyes doesnt) will help the Mets greatly in my mind. The Mets are better with Santana and Bobby Crosby, Orlando Cabrera, or David Eckstein in my opinion then they are with El Duque and Reyes......


and the lashing begins.........

[mjhp911]

All Omar has to do is make a move to put this team over the top...trading Reyes for Santana and bringing in a smart shortstop who has the mental aspect to be a winner (not saying Reyes doesnt) will help the Mets greatly in my mind. The Mets are better with Santana and Bobby Crosby, Orlando Cabrera, or David Eckstein in my opinion then they are with El Duque and Reyes......


and the lashing begins.........

I actually agree. But I don't think just one move, "...will put us over the top." I think we're so far behind, that we need a couple of things now. The back end of the bullpen scares me, first base scares me, the front end of the rotation scares me, even our chemistry now scares me. We're definitely in the tier below Boston and Detroit, even if we get Santana. I'm very frustrated, and maybe that's clouding my view of the team right now. But our collapse in the second half was outright disgusting, and I still haven't seen many of our faults being addressed yet.

[mets87]

Post deleted, please refrain from using insults and profanity in the future; thanks.

[bringinhinkie]

All Omar has to do is make a move to put this team over the top...trading Reyes for Santana and bringing in a smart shortstop who has the mental aspect to be a winner (not saying Reyes doesnt) will help the Mets greatly in my mind. The Mets are better with Santana and Bobby Crosby, Orlando Cabrera, or David Eckstein in my opinion then they are with El Duque and Reyes......


and the lashing begins.........

ya trade reyes.. we have lika .00000001 win % when he slumps and always win when he delivers.. the whole offense runs through him.. if omar traded reyes i would literally hunt him down.. oh and gtfo

[34Celtic]

You're right I forgot that I'm a baseball fan and I can never voice my opinion over certain matters.

[bringinhinkie]

You're right I forgot that I'm a baseball fan and I can never voice my opinion over certain matters.

correct, thank you





no really i jus voiced mine.. gtfo wasa joke (yankee fan saying trade reyes is y i sed it)

[34Celtic]

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correct, thank you





no really i jus voiced mine.. gtfo wasa joke (yankee fan saying trade reyes is y i sed it)

Not the first time you've completely ignored something i've said....

[DDV]

coming off a gutless epic collapse where the makeup of the team obviosuly needs to change all we do is great schneider ryan church and matt wise

the past two seasons omars dont nothing

im sorry if im not giving omar exec of the year these past two years

we are a win now team and should be doign anything to win it all in the next few years when it seems like were contnet with being one of the better teasm in the nl that has no chance of competing with the top al teams..

[Luv those Knicks]

coming off a gutless epic collapse where the makeup of the team obviosuly needs to change all we do is great schneider ryan church and matt wise

the past two seasons omars dont nothing

im sorry if im not giving omar exec of the year these past two years

we are a win now team and should be doign anything to win it all in the next few years when it seems like were contnet with being one of the better teasm in the nl that has no chance of competing with the top al teams..

I get what you are saying.


and in hindsight - Milledge for Harden probably would have been a better move than Milledge for Church and Schneider. (However, I don't believe that Milledge solo would have landed Harden, it might have taken Milledge & Heilman or Milledge & Humber) - but that's speculation.


But Omar hasn't done nothing - he offered 40 million for Kaz (not expecting the Sox to offer 51 - that was up in the stratosphere) - and he offered 100 million for (who was that soft throwing guy who went to San Fran) - Zito, that's it.

and he landed a handful of role and position players for us last year - Castillo being the most noticable, but also Marlin Anderson.

Omar doesn't want to overpay for a #1 or #2 pitcher so he's hesitant to make a move. I can't fault him for that.


So, I don't think it's fair to say he's done nothing - cause GMs can only make offers, they can't make the guy they make an offer to sign or they can't make the other team accept a trade.