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BadMofoPimp wrote:Just NO to a boneheaded low BBIQ player like Poole. Don't ruin this team and cap room paying $30 mil for a dunce. Would rather keep KCP than waste assets for Poole. Every fan that wants him would hate him with passion within 3 months.
89Magicfan wrote:Magic_Johnny12 wrote:89Magicfan wrote:
lol He said specifically last year a PG. Nothing changed. Our issues are still the same.
Him saying we need help doesn’t say we don’t need a PG a year later.
And your argument is that Poole isn’t a “PG” despite him running the offense for the last four seasons as a “PG” and despite advanced metrics saying his offensive role was one of a traditional “PG”.
Got it.
He was a PG by default not by strength. They literally had no other option.
The metrics say he’s a scorer not an efficient distributor or a positive one. You think he’s going to solve our efficiency problems despite that.
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:89Magicfan wrote:Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
And your argument is that Poole isn’t a “PG” despite him running the offense for the last four seasons as a “PG” and despite advanced metrics saying his offensive role was one of a traditional “PG”.
Got it.
He was a PG by default not by strength. They literally had no other option.
The metrics say he’s a scorer not an efficient distributor or a positive one. You think he’s going to solve our efficiency problems despite that.
So now you’re moving the goal post to fit your narrative, nice.
So now he is a PG, but just not the one you personally think fits this team. Cool.
89Magicfan wrote:Magic_Johnny12 wrote:89Magicfan wrote:
He was a PG by default not by strength. They literally had no other option.
The metrics say he’s a scorer not an efficient distributor or a positive one. You think he’s going to solve our efficiency problems despite that.
So now you’re moving the goal post to fit your narrative, nice.
So now he is a PG, but just not the one you personally think fits this team. Cool.
What stat says he’s a player that makes plays for others efficiently?
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:Just NO to a boneheaded low BBIQ player like Poole. Don't ruin this team and cap room paying $30 mil for a dunce. Would rather keep KCP than waste assets for Poole. Every fan that wants him would hate him with passion within 3 months.
Washington fans like him.
Golden State fans want him back.
Why will fans in Orlando hate him?
The entire thought of Poole is contingent on Orlando acquiring him for minimal to no real assets.
In fact we have been celebrating that we got him for Beal (though we actually got him for Chris Paul who we got for Beal). Its just that he isn't a very good player. He's Kuzma 2.0, good personality guy that thinks he's a star without star talent.
Jordan is scoring efficiently -- he's posting a .591 TS% on high usage. That's good.
But Jordan also turns the ball over a whole lot, gets 1/2 the offensive boards average for a 2 guard, & fouls 50% more often than average for a 2 guard.
The overall result is that he is way way worse than average for an NBA guard.
Is he better than last year? Sure! But, so what? He's not good. Period. There is no counter-argument.
* I say "essentially," because assists & blocks & defensive boards also help, of course. But they are relatively minor compared to the above.
AFM wrote:
Fans in Golden State want Poole back.BadMofoPimp wrote:Just NO to a boneheaded low BBIQ player like Poole. Don't ruin this team and cap room paying $30 mil for a dunce. Would rather keep KCP than waste assets for Poole. Every fan that wants him would hate him with passion within 3 months.
basketballRob wrote:Fans in Golden State want Poole back.BadMofoPimp wrote:Just NO to a boneheaded low BBIQ player like Poole. Don't ruin this team and cap room paying $30 mil for a dunce. Would rather keep KCP than waste assets for Poole. Every fan that wants him would hate him with passion within 3 months.
Here's a Golden State fan talking about him today.
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BadMofoPimp wrote:Magic_Johnny12 wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:Just NO to a boneheaded low BBIQ player like Poole. Don't ruin this team and cap room paying $30 mil for a dunce. Would rather keep KCP than waste assets for Poole. Every fan that wants him would hate him with passion within 3 months.
Washington fans like him.
Golden State fans want him back.
Why will fans in Orlando hate him?
The entire thought of Poole is contingent on Orlando acquiring him for minimal to no real assets.
And this one really scares me:AFM wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
Washington fans like him.
Golden State fans want him back.
Why will fans in Orlando hate him?
The entire thought of Poole is contingent on Orlando acquiring him for minimal to no real assets.
And this one really scares me:
Umm I hope you know that’s not Jordan Poole
Airgordon00 wrote:This is not the sexiest of trades but could definitely help our bench unit.
Magic get Grayson Allen and Royce O’Neal.
Suns get Cole Anthony, Goga Bitazde and Jett Howard.
Suggs/Black/Cojo
KCP/Allen
Franz/O'Neal
Paolo/JI/TDS
WCJ/Moe
Then use 16 and 25 to get best player available. Not saying I love it but probably the type of move we should expect with our current front office.
Audi wrote:Here’s the thing about Poole - he’s the perfect example of why you shouldn’t watch highlight reels OR lowlight reels to judge a player. Yes, he can make big shots and was a big part of a championship team. Yes, he can take horrible shots, make boneheaded decisions, and is a big part of the worst team in the league. He’s somewhere in the middle of great and bad…and you know…for the right price, that may be what we need.
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:89Magicfan wrote:Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
So now you’re moving the goal post to fit your narrative, nice.
So now he is a PG, but just not the one you personally think fits this team. Cool.
What stat says he’s a player that makes plays for others efficiently?
So that I’m understanding you correctly, by definition you’re saying if you don’t make plays for others efficiently you cannot be considered a point guard? Lol
BadMofoPimp wrote:basketballRob wrote:Fans in Golden State want Poole back.BadMofoPimp wrote:Just NO to a boneheaded low BBIQ player like Poole. Don't ruin this team and cap room paying $30 mil for a dunce. Would rather keep KCP than waste assets for Poole. Every fan that wants him would hate him with passion within 3 months.
Here's a Golden State fan talking about him today.
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No pipe dream in hell will the Magic pay for 4 guys making over $30 mil especially a low BBIQ guy. A few Warriors fans cannot convince any GM. Give it up. Will never happen no matter how often people dream about it. Won't happen.
dsg2021 wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:basketballRob wrote:Fans in Golden State want Poole back.
Here's a Golden State fan talking about him today.
?s=19
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No pipe dream in hell will the Magic pay for 4 guys making over $30 mil especially a low BBIQ guy. A few Warriors fans cannot convince any GM. Give it up. Will never happen no matter how often people dream about it. Won't happen.
The reason we like him is because he probably won’t cost a 1st. He can’t strong-arm into an opening 32 mil per year, 3-4 year offer this very summer already like the rest of the candidates. He’s better and more versatile on offense than all of them. He was a 3rd/4th option on a title winning team. He’s young. Haters are having trouble to refute his offensive efficiency here when you see things like the TS% relative to team.
2 years of contract is not an albatross, it’s a rental and experimenting. And we can probably flip out anyone we want in the deal while avoiding giving up any 1sts. If his best role is 23 MPG, great. If he can limit TO’s, get 5+ APG unselfishly and not be as negative on defense he can be a starter or closer with more minutes.
dsg2021 wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:basketballRob wrote:Fans in Golden State want Poole back.
Here's a Golden State fan talking about him today.
?s=19
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No pipe dream in hell will the Magic pay for 4 guys making over $30 mil especially a low BBIQ guy. A few Warriors fans cannot convince any GM. Give it up. Will never happen no matter how often people dream about it. Won't happen.
The reason we like him is because he probably won’t cost a 1st. He can’t strong-arm into an opening 32 mil per year, 3-4 year offer this very summer already like the rest of the candidates. He’s better and more versatile on offense than all of them. He was a 3rd/4th option on a title winning team. He’s young. Haters are having trouble to refute his offensive efficiency here when you see things like the TS% relative to team.
2 years of contract is not an albatross, it’s a rental and experimenting. And we can probably flip out anyone we want in the deal while avoiding giving up any 1sts. If his best role is 23 MPG, great. If he can limit TO’s, get 5+ APG unselfishly and not be as negative on defense he can be a starter or closer with more minutes.
BadMofoPimp wrote:dsg2021 wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:
No pipe dream in hell will the Magic pay for 4 guys making over $30 mil especially a low BBIQ guy. A few Warriors fans cannot convince any GM. Give it up. Will never happen no matter how often people dream about it. Won't happen.
The reason we like him is because he probably won’t cost a 1st. He can’t strong-arm into an opening 32 mil per year, 3-4 year offer this very summer already like the rest of the candidates. He’s better and more versatile on offense than all of them. He was a 3rd/4th option on a title winning team. He’s young. Haters are having trouble to refute his offensive efficiency here when you see things like the TS% relative to team.
2 years of contract is not an albatross, it’s a rental and experimenting. And we can probably flip out anyone we want in the deal while avoiding giving up any 1sts. If his best role is 23 MPG, great. If he can limit TO’s, get 5+ APG unselfishly and not be as negative on defense he can be a starter or closer with more minutes.
Regardless, only a NBA2k trade will make him the 4th $30 mil player on ANY team.
cedric76 wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:dsg2021 wrote:
The reason we like him is because he probably won’t cost a 1st. He can’t strong-arm into an opening 32 mil per year, 3-4 year offer this very summer already like the rest of the candidates. He’s better and more versatile on offense than all of them. He was a 3rd/4th option on a title winning team. He’s young. Haters are having trouble to refute his offensive efficiency here when you see things like the TS% relative to team.
2 years of contract is not an albatross, it’s a rental and experimenting. And we can probably flip out anyone we want in the deal while avoiding giving up any 1sts. If his best role is 23 MPG, great. If he can limit TO’s, get 5+ APG unselfishly and not be as negative on defense he can be a starter or closer with more minutes.
Regardless, only a NBA2k trade will make him the 4th $30 mil player on ANY team.
Getting 4 players making over 35M with the new CBA is a recipe for disaster
Cole/KCP makes the same as Poole.BadMofoPimp wrote:cedric76 wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:
Regardless, only a NBA2k trade will make him the 4th $30 mil player on ANY team.
Getting 4 players making over 35M with the new CBA is a recipe for disaster
Just some fantasy pipe dream with no reality of happening in the current NBA.