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Was Game 4 rigged for OKC?

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Did OKC benefit from intentionally biased officiating in Game 4?

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Re: Was Game 4 rigged for OKC? 

Post#81 » by boomershadow » Sat Jun 14, 2025 8:11 pm

jbsays wrote:I watched only the last five minutes. What I saw:

-Pacers couldn't get a good shot. They took a bunch of contested threes. Halliburton was the only guy who even attempted to drive.
-Crowd was dead silent.
-Mathurin went 1-4 at the line with less than two minutes left.
-SGA is hard to cover. Some of the fouls were ticky-tack, but they were still a foul.
-I thought he got away with a travel on that baseline jumper.
-Both SGA and Williams played better than anyone on Pacers during crunch time.

So now, I don't think it was rigged. Pacers shot 33 FTs, OKC shot 38 FTs. One team is always going to have the advantage and OKC drove far more than the Pacers during the time I watched. You're more likely to get fouled driving than shooting step back 3s.


If you didn't watch the game, how do you know if it was biased or not lol
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Re: Was Game 4 rigged for OKC? 

Post#82 » by Beethoven » Sat Jun 14, 2025 8:14 pm

Probably. Let's see if pacers still win at end.
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Re: Was Game 4 rigged for OKC? 

Post#83 » by boomershadow » Sat Jun 14, 2025 8:17 pm

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Re: Was Game 4 rigged for OKC? 

Post#84 » by EmpireFalls » Sat Jun 14, 2025 8:19 pm

I’m laughing at Pacers fans honestly. Your team played 5 minutes of the worst offense I’ve seen in my life, played scared, and lost. That’s the reason the game went the way it did. Not the officiating, which imo was bad both ways. Remember that Indiana got to the bonus first in the 4th quarter. Not everything is a conspiracy sometimes you just play like crap down the stretch. That’s all.
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Re: Was Game 4 rigged for OKC? 

Post#85 » by xdrta+ » Sat Jun 14, 2025 8:45 pm

bisme37 wrote:The SGA push-off thing people are mad about...

Tatum got called for push-offs a lot early in his career. He'd actually extend his arm and push off with his hand, which is an offensive foul.

But he adjusted and stopped extending his arm. It became more of a chicken-wing with the elbow or forearm kinda doing the push-off, but his arm is kept tucked and doesn't extend.


This is the whole point. For years now, as long as you don't extend your arm they're not going to call a foul, probably because it isn't a foul. If your arm extends, even just a little, it's usually called. Perhaps because with your arm tucked in it's hard to generate much force and actually make it a push. At any rate, that's the way it's been for some time now and hardly worth complaining about.
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Re: Was Game 4 rigged for OKC? 

Post#86 » by og15 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 8:54 pm

Rigged where? There was some calls that I didn't like for OKC, then there was the same thing the other way. The OKC defenders were physical and got away with some stuff, but so did the Pacers defenders, but I think many people are more tuned in to looking for OKC fouls, and also there is a lot of confirmation bias that happens.

Some people come into the game already saying, "oh it's going to be rigged" and then they will make the game action fit it. I mean there was a poster complaining about Indiana getting fouls in their favor as the refs trying to help OKC rest. If you're already committed to a conclusion, the game will have that conclusion. For some people, yesterday's game before it started was going to be one of two, no matter what happened:
1) Indiana won despite OKC getting ref help
2) OKC won because it was rigged for them

So whatever was happening would have to fit that conclusion.

MrPainfulTruth wrote:
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MrPainfulTruth wrote:I dont think any other player in this league would consistently get away with it. Same as the move Harden had for two or three seasons.


Paul George, to name one obvious example, has gotten away with a pushoff more blatant than Shai's for most of his career.

Yes he did! And other superstars had their signature moves where they got a lot more leash than the rest of the league. Thats exactly what i'm saying, thanks for confirming my point. PG, Chris Paul, KD had his ripthrough that noone else got, LeBron was consistently allowed to run over defenders and rarely got called for a charge (or travel). Harden forced his hands and the ball into defernders and would get freethrows every time. His stepback made up of four steps or more was a travel for everyone else.

I think its cute, but naive to believe that this highly commercial league is above manipulating games (we actually know it happened before). Its literally like the red pill / blue pill decision. I am not mad at anyone who prefers to stay in their nice clean fan bubble. The product is good and if you enjoy consuming it and paying for it, good for you! But allow others to have a different opinion based on obvious evidence.

As of now - name one other player who NOW would get away with a pushoff every time he drives, and NEVER get called for an offensive foul.

This is not true at all. Before them, Duncan and Kobe were rip through masters. Kevin Martin made it a big part of getting himself to the FT line. Harden used it too as well as others. When they changed it to side out of bounds and no long considered it in the act of shooting, many guys quit doing it, but CP would still consistently do it to get guys in foul trouble and to take advantage of bonus. Other guys would still do it just to make defenders less willing to have their hands there.

The amount of times a guy like CP did it and had to dribble because of no call though was a lot more than one might imagine, so even he didn't always even get the actual whistle on that.

Anyways, all that to say that, no, it was not a special call for them in any way, what you're citing is simply that they were heavy users of they tactic.
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Re: Was Game 4 rigged for OKC? 

Post#87 » by Ayt » Sat Jun 14, 2025 8:58 pm

A league that rigs games ended up with Indy - OKC in the Finals. Brilliant analysis!
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Re: Was Game 4 rigged for OKC? 

Post#88 » by hugepatsfan » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:12 pm

I don't think so. But they keep putting Scott Foster in these scenarios and they keep playing out exactly as the tin foil hats say they're gonna. At some point, the league makes their own bed with the optics so they gotta lie in it.
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Re: Was Game 4 rigged for OKC? 

Post#89 » by Big Lob » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:14 pm

Pacers had control and gave it away, so no, it wasn't rigged
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Re: Was Game 4 rigged for OKC? 

Post#90 » by eric365 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:19 pm

Rigged is not the good word since I don’t think it’s on purpose

But were the ref so bad, they impacted who wins? Yes I think with a fair ref, Indiana wins
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Re: Was Game 4 rigged for OKC? 

Post#91 » by Chessboxer » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:20 pm

It's amazing how a juggernaut future dynasty team like OKC is so coddled by the officiating. Pacers uncharacteristically did not execute well down the stretch, and did contribute to their own demise. However officiating was biased towards OKC, as it has been pretty much the whole playoffs.
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Re: Was Game 4 rigged for OKC? 

Post#92 » by MrPainfulTruth » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:21 pm

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MrPainfulTruth wrote:

The best part is how Scott Foster is even in the shot and looks directly at it :lol: Nothing to see here.


You're going to act like you don't see that kick at the 1 second mark?


https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=683&GameID=0042400404&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=Gilgeous-Alexander%2015%27%20Step%20Back%20Jump%20Shot%20(29%20PTS)

We can see that Shai has his arm in Nesmiths chest, but there is no extension. We can see that Nesmith has his hands on Shai as he is trying to make forward progress to the basket. We can see that Nesmith trips himself over Shai's foot and that contact is what actually causes the players to lose balance.

If anything there is a foul here it is Nesmith putting both hands on Shai on his drive. If anything else is a foul here is it Nesmith making foot to foot contact though he clearly didn't mean to.

You can spin it any way you want. At least two of his fourth quarter baskets would have been an offensive foul for 99% of the players in this league.
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Re: Was Game 4 rigged for OKC? 

Post#93 » by Dadouv47 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:30 pm

Yes. OKC games are rigged. You can put an asterisk on our title I don't care I just want the title.
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Re: Was Game 4 rigged for OKC? 

Post#94 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:33 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:Yes. OKC games are rigged. You can put an asterisk on our title I don't care I just want the title.


I’d love to have a *title
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Re: Was Game 4 rigged for OKC? 

Post#95 » by boomershadow » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:35 pm

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Re: Was Game 4 rigged for OKC? 

Post#96 » by Dadouv47 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:37 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:Yes. OKC games are rigged. You can put an asterisk on our title I don't care I just want the title.


I’d love to have a *title


I don't mind playing 8vs5, shooting 4% from three and having 6 assists/game while going to the free throw line 80 times in each game. Just give me the Larry O'Brien.
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Re: Was Game 4 rigged for OKC? 

Post#97 » by Dadouv47 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:38 pm

boomershadow wrote:


they call SGA a flopper for less than that
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Re: Was Game 4 rigged for OKC? 

Post#98 » by Patches Perry » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:45 pm

The most embarrassing part of the rigged claim is fans of teams that recently won championships thinking this specific year is rigged but all of their teams success was totally organic.
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Re: Was Game 4 rigged for OKC? 

Post#99 » by The4thHorseman » Sat Jun 14, 2025 10:33 pm

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Laimbeer would be proud of that flop
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Re: Was Game 4 rigged for OKC? 

Post#100 » by mdonnelly1989 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 10:38 pm

MoneyMo wrote:People are just scared and upset that if Shai gets a ring it’ll propel him over their guy. Luka stans in particular are mad at that :waaa:


Based on what luka has given us this year it's no debate ATM, if he returns to last years form then we can have the discussion again.

Right now its Shai and Giannis for 2nd best player in the league behind Jokic

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