The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

Ghost of Kleine · Post #1921 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 8:46 pm

TeamTragic · Post #1922 » by **TeamTragic** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 8:47 pm

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Perfect. Either put Ware in the deal or KD goes to the Wolves.

What do you think he means by young talent from Wolves? Picks?

Ghost of Kleine · Post #1923 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 8:48 pm

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thamadkant · Post #1924 » by **thamadkant** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 8:51 pm

sunsbum wrote:
thamadkant wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
I'd do that. I'd actually probably prefer the 2027 & 2029 picks, because I think Book will be gone, and we will be near the bottom, if not at the bottom.

Yup. I would do that trade.

Then flip Brooks to a contender for a future lottery protected first or late first. Nuggets would love him, they need an enforcer slash pest wing defender.

With Green, Suns can then flip him to Nets for Claxton and 2 first rounders. I'm sure Nets want young assets these days.
this team would win 20 games with Booker and Clayton as your best 2 players

Yes.

That is the point.

Suns need to rebuild by getting picks from other teams since the Suns owner is delusional.

There is no way to fix the suns without rebuilding.

Booker would hopefully then want to leave and then Suns get more picks for him.

Trying to rebuild around Booker with even Rockets best off of Green, Jabari or Spurs best offer Vassell, Sochan, or how about Wolves best offer of Gobert... or whom ever other team..... the Suns will still suck butt hole because Booker is the best player on the team.

BobbieL · Post #1925 » by **BobbieL** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:00 pm

bullsaficianado wrote:No clue how Minnesota is the favorite. I am trying a bunch of trade scenarios with them for KD in ESPN trade machine and most of the trades are failing.

Pretty sure it will have to be a post July 1 trade when they are below the second apron

From a numbers perspective
Gobert, Dillingham and Donte should work

Revived · Post #1926 » by **Revived** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:06 pm

TeamTragic wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:

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Perfect. Either put Ware in the deal or KD goes to the Wolves.

What do you think he means by young talent from Wolves? Picks?

Wolves only have 1 pick they can trade. That’s it. Miami has three.

BobbieL · Post #1927 » by **BobbieL** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:07 pm

thamadkant wrote:
sunsbum wrote:
thamadkant wrote:

Yup. I would do that trade.

Then flip Brooks to a contender for a future lottery protected first or late first. Nuggets would love him, they need an enforcer slash pest wing defender.

With Green, Suns can then flip him to Nets for Claxton and 2 first rounders. I'm sure Nets want young assets these days.
this team would win 20 games with Booker and Clayton as your best 2 players

Yes.

That is the point.

Suns need to rebuild by getting picks from other teams since the Suns owner is delusional.

There is no way to fix the suns without rebuilding.

Booker would hopefully then want to leave and then Suns get more picks for him.

Trying to rebuild around Booker with even Rockets best off of Green, Jabari or Spurs best offer Vassell, Sochan, or how about Wolves best offer of Gobert... or whom ever other team..... the Suns will still suck butt hole because Booker is the best player on the team.

I keep saying, Bookers biggest concern is that 149/2
once he gets that - he might "play nice" for a year or two -- but if they don't get better - he will ask out
and because of his contract - will have less value as I think years 4 and 5 he would be overpaid

the time to trade booker is now.... but that doesn't seem to be the plan of attack

Fo-Real · Post #1928 » by **Fo-Real** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:07 pm

TeamTragic wrote:Interesting. Royce or Grayson on the way out in a KD trade.

We are definitely dipping below the second tax apron.

Get rid of BOTH!!

TeamTragic · Post #1929 » by **TeamTragic** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:09 pm

Revived wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:

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Perfect. Either put Ware in the deal or KD goes to the Wolves.

What do you think he means by young talent from Wolves? Picks?

Wolves only have 1 pick they can trade. That’s it. Miami has three.

Who are their current young players?

Slim Charless · Post #1930 » by **Slim Charless** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:19 pm

TeamTragic wrote:
Revived wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
Perfect. Either put Ware in the deal or KD goes to the Wolves.

What do you think he means by young talent from Wolves? Picks?

Wolves only have 1 pick they can trade. That’s it. Miami has three.

Who are their current young players?

McDaniels?

One_and_Done · Post #1931 » by **One_and_Done** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:21 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:

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Phrased another way though, that also means the current offers are extremely low.

I'd say it's Randle, not Gobert. No Ware. Green & 10. Vassell, Barnes & 14. I'd be very surprised if Gobert is included, and McDaniels or JJJ are a pipe dream. The Spurs offer isn't likely to change much either.

Slim Charless · Post #1932 » by **Slim Charless** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:22 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:

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Ishbia is trying to get Jace Richardson.

I have 0 doubt that's who he wants, and its why I dont really want us to get a high pick in this deal. Jace at 20 or so is fine, Jace in the top 10 would be a killer.

Ishbia went to school with the kid's dad and won a title together, he ABSOLUTELY wants Jace on this team.

I'd bet anything.

starbosa10 · Post #1933 » by **starbosa10** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:23 pm

They're probably talking about dillingham

dremill24 · Post #1934 » by **dremill24** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:38 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
Revived wrote:Wolves only have 1 pick they can trade. That’s it. Miami has three.

Who are their current young players?

McDaniels?

Doubtful he's part of that group.

Dillingham is the most (relatively) interesting.

They have lower level guys like Shannon, Miller, and Clark.

Minott and Garza are techinally young but have not shown an ability to get minutes.

Not a super inspiring group.

BobbieL · Post #1935 » by **BobbieL** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:39 pm

Fo-Real wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:Interesting. Royce or Grayson on the way out in a KD trade.

We are definitely dipping below the second tax apron.

Get rid of BOTH!!

I agree - move on from both already. And just roll with Beal for two years as your sixth man. And if you get the right contracts for Royce and Allen, combined with Beal - will have a nice chunk of cap space in two summers. Just two years - thats it!

BobbieL · Post #1936 » by **BobbieL** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:40 pm

dremill24 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
Who are their current young players?

McDaniels?

Doubtful he's part of that group.

Dillingham is the most (relatively) interesting.

They have lower level guys like Shannon, Miller, and Clark.

Minott and Garza are techinally young but have not shown an ability to get minutes.

Not a super inspiring group.

If the MN deal is Randle and not Gobert and Miami is willing to do Ware, Wiggins, Duncan and a couple FRPs -- that might be the best deal

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1937 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:49 pm

I know nothing about Dillingham. Anyone have a good take on him? He didn't do much as a rookie but PGs take time.

Sunsdeuce · Post #1938 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:50 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:

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“Things are fluid”. When that term is used, the person using it loses all respectability. It’s the escape all when things don’t work out.

That’s Flex’s escape route when he has no idea what’s going on. “I said things are fluid and could change in an instant”, when people call him out.

Everything in life is Fluid. Don’t report crap till the deal is either done to 2 inches away from being done. Otherwise, you just spewing nonsense for clicks! Clicks is the flavor of this generations extreme need to twitter famous. Flex is evidence #1 of a sickening need to be famous.

Sunsdeuce · Post #1939 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:54 pm

BobbieL wrote:
thamadkant wrote:
sunsbum wrote: this team would win 20 games with Booker and Clayton as your best 2 players

Yes.

That is the point.

Suns need to rebuild by getting picks from other teams since the Suns owner is delusional.

There is no way to fix the suns without rebuilding.

Booker would hopefully then want to leave and then Suns get more picks for him.

Trying to rebuild around Booker with even Rockets best off of Green, Jabari or Spurs best offer Vassell, Sochan, or how about Wolves best offer of Gobert... or whom ever other team..... the Suns will still suck butt hole because Booker is the best player on the team.

I keep saying, Bookers biggest concern is that 149/2
once he gets that - he might "play nice" for a year or two -- but if they don't get better - he will ask out
and because of his contract - will have less value as I think years 4 and 5 he would be overpaid

the time to trade booker is now.... but that doesn't seem to be the plan of attack

Exactly. Booker don’t care about this teams winning percentage. Booker cares about the millions in his bank percentage. I’m over Booker. Dude has done nothing for this community (M Bridges did more in his short time in Phx than all the years combined Booker has been here). The faster we dump Booker the faster we fix this mess!

sunsbum · Post #1940 » by **sunsbum** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:55 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:

Read on Twitter

Ishbia is trying to get Jace Richardson.

I have 0 doubt that's who he wants, and its why I dont really want us to get a high pick in this deal. Jace at 20 or so is fine, Jace in the top 10 would be a killer.

Ishbia went to school with the kid's dad and won a title together, he ABSOLUTELY wants Jace on this team.

I'd bet anything.

Dude. There’s no way, right?