Kevin Durant

[winforlose]

Djm would be perfect. Just hard to come up with a deal.

He's also just 4.5 months removed from a torn Achilles tendon.

This would be an issue for year 1 no question. Which is why his value should be depressed. I would not make a deal without a good value back.

[moss_is_1]

0 interest in Murray. 30.8m / 32.7m / 30.7m(player option) for a guy who just tore his achilles, and needs the ball to be effective. His defense is overrated and he can't shoot.

[BlacJacMac]

0 interest in Murray. 30.8m / 32.7m / 30.7m(player option) for a guy who just tore his achilles, and needs the ball to be effective. His defense is overrated and he can't shoot.

Yeah. You’re relying on him going back to outlier shooting and his play under Popovitch.

[b7s4]

Minnesota Timberwolves Reportedly Frontrunners To Land Kevin Durant
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/minnesota-timberwolves-reportedly-frontrunners-land-183605395.html

[Loaf_of_bread]

0 interest in Murray. 30.8m / 32.7m / 30.7m(player option) for a guy who just tore his achilles, and needs the ball to be effective. His defense is overrated and he can't shoot.

Next year, it will be viewed as a value contract IF he performs well. Don't see how we could get him though.

[winforlose]

Minnesota Timberwolves Reportedly Frontrunners To Land Kevin Durant
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/minnesota-timberwolves-reportedly-frontrunners-land-183605395.html

Headline should read “Minnesota Timberwolves badly need to fire GM and HC before disaster strikes a franchise that had made it out of the first round only 3 times in its 36 year history.” This is the mistake that turns the Ant window into the rebuild window. This is the moment you will look back on and wish ownership had stopped the madness. Congrats, our golden era is on life support and about to end.

[winforlose]

0 interest in Murray. 30.8m / 32.7m / 30.7m(player option) for a guy who just tore his achilles, and needs the ball to be effective. His defense is overrated and he can't shoot.

Help me out here. Name 3 starting PGS between the ages of 25-27 that don’t need the ball to be effective. Just so I know what we are talking about.

[shrink]

Top 5 Teams/Odds
Minnesota Timberwolves -130
Miami Heat +220
San Antonio Spurs +350
Houston Rockets +750
Phoenix Suns +1600

https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/news/nba/kevin-durant-next-team-odds-2025-where-will-kd-land/

[TimberKat]

Minnesota Timberwolves Reportedly Frontrunners To Land Kevin Durant
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/minnesota-timberwolves-reportedly-frontrunners-land-183605395.html

Headline should read “Minnesota Timberwolves badly need to fire GM and HC before disaster strikes a franchise that had made it out of the first round only 3 times in its 36 year history.” This is the mistake that turns the Ant window into the rebuild window. This is the moment you will look back on and wish ownership had stopped the madness. Congrats, our golden era is on life support and about to end.

It is because we only make it out of 1st round 3 times that I am taking a chance with KD. Twice under Connelly. We will figure out if it's madness or genius if/when it happens and what the trade look like. Worse case, you clear salary in two years when Gobert and KD contracts expire. So just Ant and look for two free agents to build around. Wolves are in the free agent era now and we need to shift away from draft to build mindset.

[TimberKat]

I don't think Heat has any better offer than Minnesota but wondering what is Huston willing to do and if they will resign VenVleet?

[winforlose]

Minnesota Timberwolves Reportedly Frontrunners To Land Kevin Durant
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/minnesota-timberwolves-reportedly-frontrunners-land-183605395.html

Headline should read “Minnesota Timberwolves badly need to fire GM and HC before disaster strikes a franchise that had made it out of the first round only 3 times in its 36 year history.” This is the mistake that turns the Ant window into the rebuild window. This is the moment you will look back on and wish ownership had stopped the madness. Congrats, our golden era is on life support and about to end.

It is because we only make it out of 1st round 3 times that I am taking a chance with KD. Twice under Connelly. We will figure out if it's madness or genius if/when it happens and what the trade look like. Worse case, you clear salary in two years when Gobert and KD contracts expire. So just Ant and look for two free agents to build around. Wolves are in the free agent era now and we need to shift away from draft to build mindset.

1. Name the 3 biggest free agents we have ever been able to sign, much less on favorable money.

2. In 26/27 Jaden costs 26.2, Naz will cost somewhere in the ballpark of 26.2, Ant will approximately 48.9. Those 3 guys alone will cost 26.2 + 26.2 + 48.9= $101.3 million. The projected salary cap is 154.6. That means you have 154.6 - 101.3 =53.3 to build around. That is before you factor the other contracts on the payroll. That is at most one max slot and probably not that. If KD leaves or demands the max, the team has no chance whatsoever of survival. The only possible way forward is if KD demands the minimum to stay, and even then, we won’t be contenders, because we will lack depth, roster balance, and assets to acquire either. This team is over if we trade for KD.

[moss_is_1]

0 interest in Murray. 30.8m / 32.7m / 30.7m(player option) for a guy who just tore his achilles, and needs the ball to be effective. His defense is overrated and he can't shoot.

Help me out here. Name 3 starting PGS between the ages of 25-27 that don’t need the ball to be effective. Just so I know what we are talking about.

Obviously a PG will handle the ball a good amount, my point is Murray cannot shoot and can't play without the ball, along with being overrated defensively. Jamal Murray, Garland, Herro, Simons, Haliburton, Maxey, IQ, Suggs. Murray is also 28, going to be 29. His on/off numbers the last 3 seasons have been bad as well.

[winforlose]

0 interest in Murray. 30.8m / 32.7m / 30.7m(player option) for a guy who just tore his achilles, and needs the ball to be effective. His defense is overrated and he can't shoot.

Help me out here. Name 3 starting PGS between the ages of 25-27 that don’t need the ball to be effective. Just so I know what we are talking about.

Obviously a PG will handle the ball a good amount, my point is Murray cannot shoot and can't play without the ball, along with being overrated defensively. Jamal Murray, Garland, Herro, Simons, Haliburton, Maxey, IQ, Suggs. Murray is also 28, going to be 29. His on/off numbers the last 3 seasons have been bad as well.

1. Most of your list is known to be bad at defense.

2. Some of your list are SGs who can play PG but should not. Herro and Simons for example.

3. Good luck acquiring Haliburton, Maxey, Garland without giving up key players.

4. Jalen Suggs has been available in 211 games in his 4 year career. 82x4 =328. 211/328 =0.643. In that time he has had one season shooting above 32% from deep, and it was not last season. I single him out because he is the only player on this list who I would say excels off ball and can defend at a high level.

I think DJM is probably the best fit on this list, but his injury means he will not be DJM in 25/26 and that means next season would be handicapped.

[Klomp]

Minnesota Timberwolves Reportedly Frontrunners To Land Kevin Durant
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/minnesota-timberwolves-reportedly-frontrunners-land-183605395.html

Headline should read “Minnesota Timberwolves badly need to fire GM and HC before disaster strikes a franchise that had made it out of the first round only 3 times in its 36 year history.” This is the mistake that turns the Ant window into the rebuild window. This is the moment you will look back on and wish ownership had stopped the madness. Congrats, our golden era is on life support and about to end.

So dramatic....

[moss_is_1]

1. Most of your list is known to be bad at defense.

2. Some of your list are SGs who can play PG but should not. Herro and Simons for example.

3. Good luck acquiring Haliburton, Maxey, Garland without giving up key players.

4. Jalen Suggs has been available in 211 games in his 4 year career. 82x4 =328. 211/328 =0.643. In that time he has had one season shooting above 32% from deep, and it was not last season. I single him out because he is the only player on this list who I would say excels off ball and can defend at a high level.

I think DJM is probably the best fit on this list, but his injury means he will not be DJM in 25/26 and that means next season would be handicapped.

1. You limited the criteria to guys who don't need the ball and had to be between 25-27(even though Murray will be 29).

2. I just sorted by PG on RGm stats and they had those listed, point is they are the main ballhandler, Murray also played SG the 2 seasons prior to this one.

3. We'd have to give up key players for DJM as well because of his >$30m price tag.

4. Ok, but I'm saying Murray can't do either of those things, he would cost assets(and be paid over $30m), and he's coming off of a major injury and will miss a good chunk of the upcoming season.

[Domejandro]

DeJounte Murray was a negative impact player prior to him blowing out his Achilles tendon. Trading for him would be abysmal in the hypothetical world that he was fully healthy. I've posted the numbers a million times over the years, but the fascination around him has always boggled my mind.

[winforlose]

1. Most of your list is known to be bad at defense.

2. Some of your list are SGs who can play PG but should not. Herro and Simons for example.

3. Good luck acquiring Haliburton, Maxey, Garland without giving up key players.

4. Jalen Suggs has been available in 211 games in his 4 year career. 82x4 =328. 211/328 =0.643. In that time he has had one season shooting above 32% from deep, and it was not last season. I single him out because he is the only player on this list who I would say excels off ball and can defend at a high level.

I think DJM is probably the best fit on this list, but his injury means he will not be DJM in 25/26 and that means next season would be handicapped.

1. You limited the criteria to guys who don't need the ball and had to be between 25-27(even though Murray will be 29).

2. I just sorted by PG on RGm stats and they had those listed, point is they are the main ballhandler, Murray also played SG the 2 seasons prior to this one.

3. We'd have to give up key players for DJM as well because of his >$30m price tag.

4. Ok, but I'm saying Murray can't do either of those things, he would cost assets(and be paid over $30m), and he's coming off of a major injury and will miss a good chunk of the upcoming season.

1. Fair. Though I did say he was older than what I wanted and that he would be cheaper because of the injury. It would depend on the deal, but Randle for DJM would probably bring a first or two back our way, or expand the deal and get us another PG as well. Just depends on how it is structured.

2. Look how well things went for their teams. We need a legit PG, something DJM has proven he can play.

3. See point 1.

4. DJM’s 3 point percentage has been below average multiple years. His volume is also lower than I would prefer. But he has never played with a player the caliber or commanding the gravity or Ant Edwards. We have also seen DJM play well off ball with Atlanta. I will grant you he is better on ball, but he can play off. His defense has been up and down, but I believe playing on a winning and defensive focused team he could step up.

It doesn’t have to be DJM. We need a starting PG and good backcourt partner for Ant. We need him to be at or near his prime when Ant enters his prime, to be affordable, and to be acquired for no more than the cost of Randle and either DDV or Dilly. That is a short list.

[winforlose]

DeJounte Murray was a negative impact player prior to him blowing out his Achilles tendon. Trading for him would be abysmal in the hypothetical world that he was fully healthy. I've posted the numbers a million times over the years, but the fascination around him has always boggled my mind.

You are talking about prior to last season? What about prior to the trade to ATL? I am honestly asking as I don’t know the answer.

[winforlose]

Minnesota Timberwolves Reportedly Frontrunners To Land Kevin Durant
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/minnesota-timberwolves-reportedly-frontrunners-land-183605395.html

Headline should read “Minnesota Timberwolves badly need to fire GM and HC before disaster strikes a franchise that had made it out of the first round only 3 times in its 36 year history.” This is the mistake that turns the Ant window into the rebuild window. This is the moment you will look back on and wish ownership had stopped the madness. Congrats, our golden era is on life support and about to end.

So dramatic....

I could look it up, but I wonder if you were one of the trade for Ben Simmons people. That trade would have been equally disastrous, just for a different reason.

[BlacJacMac]

We have also seen DJM play well off ball with Atlanta.

We have not. Most of Murray's worst lineups for Atlanta were with Trae Young (using 2-man through 5-man lineup data). That's why they split the 2 guys up as much as they could.