Cleveland - Portland - Brooklyn - Orlando

Godaddycurse · Post #1 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:32 pm

Cleveland trade: Garland
Cleveland receive: Scoot, 11, 36

Portland trade: Simons, Scoot, 11
Portland receive: Garland

Brooklyn trade: 26, 36
Brooklyn receive: Anthony, Isaac, 16

Orlando trade: Anthony, Isaac, 16
Orlando receive: Simons, 26

Why for Cleveland: salary relief, get an improving PG prospect w/ size to better fit next to Mitchell and a lotto pick for depth
Why for Portland: push chips in for a star PG to set the table for the team
Why for Brooklyn: eat salary to move up in draft
Why for Orlando: upgrade offense

psman2 · Post #2 » by **psman2** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:48 pm

I think Brooklyn shouldn't been sending out 36 here using 28m of their capspace.

Plus I wouldn't go this route for Portland. Garland as 3rd best guy might work, but if you don't have your one or two yet figured (Deni maybe a 3rd best guy...Sharpe has a chance) out then I think it kind of puts you in no man's land of winning 36-42 games and getting middling picks. Could work if the current youth breaks out or you get lucky in the draft but likely not a high odds move of leading to real success.

Godaddycurse · Post #3 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:55 pm

psman2 wrote:I think Brooklyn shouldn't been sending out 36 here using 28m of their capspace.

Plus I wouldn't go this route for Portland. Garland as 3rd best guy might work, but if you don't have your one or two yet figured (Deni maybe a 3rd best guy...Sharpe has a chance) out then I think it kind of puts you in no man's land of winning 36-42 games and getting middling picks. Could work if the current youth breaks out or you get lucky in the draft but likely not a high odds move of leading to real success.

i think 26 + 36 = ~23. i have eating 28M = another pick in early 20s which adds up to ~16

i like the idea of adding a star PG for Portland to help the rest of the team grow their game. Phoenix was a mess before they got Paul. Garland is young and fits well with the core. it's a gamble though as you said

Magic_Johnny12 · Post #4 » by **Magic_Johnny12** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 7:07 pm

Simons is really expensive for someone who just provides shooting.

Yes, Orlando needs shooting but they can find it for much cheaper elsewhere. Acquiring Simons almost forces them to sign him to a 4yr./80-100M contract.

cucad8 · Post #5 » by **cucad8** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 7:17 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Simons is really expensive for someone who just provides shooting.

Yes, Orlando needs shooting but they can find it for much cheaper elsewhere. Acquiring Simons almost forces them to sign him to a 4yr./80-100M contract.

Orlando fans have been saying that for the past 2 years and haven't found that so easy to get shooting yet.

Mr Loggins · Post #6 » by **Mr Loggins** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 7:35 pm

cucad8 wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Simons is really expensive for someone who just provides shooting.

Yes, Orlando needs shooting but they can find it for much cheaper elsewhere. Acquiring Simons almost forces them to sign him to a 4yr./80-100M contract.

Orlando fans have been saying that for the past 2 years and haven't found that so easy to get shooting yet.

Maybe they want Scoot? Word on the street is he’s
improving

Myth · Post #7 » by **Myth** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 8:12 pm

Works for this Blazers fan.

bgrep14 · Post #8 » by **bgrep14** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 8:24 pm

36 should go to Portland and a Future 1st from Portland to Cleveland.

bgrep14 · Post #9 » by **bgrep14** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:02 pm

Cleanest trade would be a two part with Portland so Cavs can aggregate.

Part 1: Okoro for TPE

Part 2: Garland for Avdija, Scoot, and Reath

Final trade Garland and Okoro for Scoot, Avdija, and Reath

Godaddycurse · Post #10 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:03 pm

bgrep14 wrote:Cleanest trade would be a two part with Portland so Cavs can aggregate.

Part 1: Okoro for TPE

Part 2: Garland for Avdija, Scoot, and Reath

Final trade Garland and Okoro for Scoot, Avdija, and Reath

garland isnt fetching both deni and scoot

Post #11 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:11 pm

Cut Portland out please, send Garland to Orlando.

ecuhus1981 · Post #12 » by **ecuhus1981** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 10:17 pm

$28mil in pure cap space is worth more than this.

I like Isaac. I like trading up for capspace, but I would need 11 and Black instead of 16 and Cole.

Myth · Post #13 » by **Myth** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:27 am

bgrep14 wrote:Cleanest trade would be a two part with Portland so Cavs can aggregate.

Part 1: Okoro for TPE

Part 2: Garland for Avdija, Scoot, and Reath

Final trade Garland and Okoro for Scoot, Avdija, and Reath

Easy pass for Portland. So much money to upgrade point guard but then be right back in a search for a high end forward.

orlando_joe · Post #14 » by **orlando_joe** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 12:32 am

ecuhus1981 wrote:$28mil in pure cap space is worth more than this.

I like Isaac. I like trading up for capspace, but I would need 11 and Black instead of 16 and Cole.

i do not see magic doing this as is...sure not swapping black for cole

toooskies · Post #15 » by **toooskies** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 1:30 am

Trading for developmental players and draft picks is not something the Cavs are going to do. They won 64 games this year and are expecting to play better in the playoffs next year.

If the Cavs are interested in cutting cash they’re still getting a playoff-caliber player back. They send Garland to Brooklyn for Cam Johnson, or Hunter to Brooklyn for nothing.

What they definitely don’t do is bring back a guy who’s still years from helping them contend, a late lottery pick, and a decent 2nd.

mcfly1204 · Post #16 » by **mcfly1204** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 1:33 am

I don't love the deal, but feel this one should be limited to Portland and Cleveland:

Cleveland receive: Simons, Scoot, 11
Portland receive: Garland

If the other teams want to work on separate deals, they can knock themselves out.

nykballa2k4 · Post #17 » by **nykballa2k4** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 2:35 am

Godaddycurse wrote:Cleveland trade: Garland
Cleveland receive: Scoot, 11, 36

Portland trade: Simons, Scoot, 11
Portland receive: Garland

Brooklyn trade: 26, 36
Brooklyn receive: Anthony, Isaac, 16

Orlando trade: Anthony, Isaac, 16
Orlando receive: Simons, 26

Why for Cleveland: salary relief, get an improving PG prospect w/ size to better fit next to Mitchell and a lotto pick for depth
Why for Portland: push chips in for a star PG to set the table for the team
Why for Brooklyn: eat salary to move up in draft
Why for Orlando: upgrade offense

My reactions for each:
Cavs: On paper seems really light for Garland, borderline all-star for magic beans, but then I look at HC Atkinson and I remember all the lead guards he has developed... It's a deal that could work for sure.

Portland: Not really sure how much Simons to Garland is in terms of an upgrade, probably feel underwhelmed if I am being honest.

Nets: JI had one healthy year... now he is on a long term deal again. I think I would need a lot to convince me to take that. Pretty much hate it for them.

Magic: I mean it's a really good haul.

Post #18 » by **jbk1234** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 2:47 am

mcfly1204 wrote:I don't love the deal, but feel this one should be limited to Portland and Cleveland:

Cleveland receive: Simons, Scoot, 11
Portland receive: Garland

If the other teams want to work on separate deals, they can knock themselves out.

Yuck, I don't have Simons as a positive contract. I don't have him as better than Ty. We don't save money. We don't get better defensively. We just get worse offensively. Scoot isn't even a replacement level PG. He averaged less than 13 ppg.

JRoy · Post #19 » by **JRoy** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 2:59 am

jbk1234 wrote:
mcfly1204 wrote:I don't love the deal, but feel this one should be limited to Portland and Cleveland:

Cleveland receive: Simons, Scoot, 11
Portland receive: Garland

If the other teams want to work on separate deals, they can knock themselves out.

Yuck, I don't have Simons as a positive contract. I don't have him as better than Ty. We don't save money. We don't get better defensively. We just get worse offensively. Scoot isn't even a replacement level PG. He averaged less than 13 ppg.

Can CLE even resign Ty?

CLE needs an upgrade but won’t get a difference maker without moving a core piece.

Not saying this is the right move necessarily but they need to make a change.

DowJones · Post #20 » by **DowJones** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:19 am

JRoy wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
mcfly1204 wrote:I don't love the deal, but feel this one should be limited to Portland and Cleveland:

Cleveland receive: Simons, Scoot, 11
Portland receive: Garland

If the other teams want to work on separate deals, they can knock themselves out.

Yuck, I don't have Simons as a positive contract. I don't have him as better than Ty. We don't save money. We don't get better defensively. We just get worse offensively. Scoot isn't even a replacement level PG. He averaged less than 13 ppg.

Can CLE even resign Ty?

CLE needs an upgrade but won’t get a difference maker without moving a core piece.

Not saying this is the right move necessarily but they need to make a change.

The Cavs won 64 games last year. The East will be worse in 26 than it was in 25. They don’t need to make a trade.