2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft - Volume III

[Negrodamus]

Where is this rumor coming from? I haven't read or seen anything about Ace not wanting to come to Philly.

In fact, the only rumor I read related to him was that he was scheduled to workout for Philly.

It came from the same place that was doing carbon dating tests on Edgecombe's bones and found out he's actually 45.

[ProcessDoctor]

#3 + 2028 LAC 1st (no more) for Harper or staying at #3 to select Edgecombe is where I'm settled at.

Icing on the cake would be trading Embiid for a second 1st-round pick in the top-20 (New Orleans, Toronto, Houston, Minnesota, Miami).

[MVP1992]

#3 + 2028 LAC 1st (no more) for Harper or Edgecombe at #3 is where I'm settled at.

Icing on the cake would be trading Embiid for a second 1st-round pick in the top-20 (New Orleans, Toronto, Houston, Minnesota, Miami).

My trade was just an expansion on that.
"Spurs #2 & #14, for
Sixers #3 & LAC 2028 top 6 protected & Sixers 2031 unprotected(?)..."

I'm at a loss on Embiid. If he gets healthy he'll play. If he can play I doubt he's traded, not during next season anyway.

At what point does Morey concede that the team needs to move on from Embiid. When he's totally cooked and untradeable, or when he finishes a complete season giving us one last shot at the finals?

I predict Embiid will drag out his career to get paid in full and push back on medical retirement, creating an ongoing headache for the FO.

[OleSchool]

Don’t get confused or overthink it. This is a TWO-WAY STAR BIG WING…

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When was the last time that Sixers even drafted a wing? And with a high pick as well. Feels like we have only been drafting point guards and centers.

That's who available where we're picking. Or I should say, the guys with the most upside at G's or C's where we are picking

[ProcessDoctor]

#3 + 2028 LAC 1st (no more) for Harper or Edgecombe at #3 is where I'm settled at.

Icing on the cake would be trading Embiid for a second 1st-round pick in the top-20 (New Orleans, Toronto, Houston, Minnesota, Miami).

My trade was just an expansion on that.
"Spurs #2 & #14, for
Sixers #3 & LAC 2028 top 6 protected & Sixers 2031 unprotected(?)..."

I'm at a loss on Embiid. If he gets healthy he'll play. If he can play I doubt he's traded, not during next season anyway.

At what point does Morey concede that the team needs to move on from Embiid. When he's totally cooked and untradeable, or when he finishes a complete season giving us one last shot at the finals?

I predict Embiid will drag out his career to get paid in full and push back on medical retirement, creating an ongoing headache for the FO.

Ironically, I might be less concerned with Embiid's health than the culture and tone he sets. The sluggishness and moping when things aren't going his way. That ****'s contagious and we've seen it bring the whole team down time and time again. Not building chemistry and practicing with the team as much as possible. All of it just needs to be far removed from the young group we have.

I love the big fella and everything he's done for the franchise, but it's time to move on. How many more iterations of Embiid-led teams are we going to try? It's time to get younger, healthier, and faster as the rest of the league continues to pass us by.

[MVP1992]

When was the last time that Sixers even drafted a wing? And with a high pick as well. Feels like we have only been drafting point guards and centers.

That's who available where we're picking. Or I should say, the guys with the most upside at G's or C's where we are picking

Goes to show how hard picking players near the top of the draft is... By comparison, look how we've done picking from 16 and below.

2014:
#3 Joel Embiid
#41 Nikola Jokić
2015:
#3 Jahlil Okafor
#13 Devin Booker
2016:
#1 Ben Simmons
#3 Jaylen Brown
2017:
#1 Markelle Fultz
#3 Jayson Tatum
2018:
#10 Mikal Bridges (traded for #16 Zhaire Smith)
#11 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
2020:
#21 Tyrese Maxey
None (no better wing/forward available)
2024:
#16 Jared McCain
None (no better wing/forward available)
#41 Adem Bona
None (no better wing/forward available)

[LeonJordanJr24]

Take Ace.. this team literally keeps taking centers and guards in the lottery last time we took a wing Andre Iguadala panned out. . We pasted on Jaylen Brown and Ingram and they all are good to very good/ great players..

[OleSchool]

When was the last time that Sixers even drafted a wing? And with a high pick as well. Feels like we have only been drafting point guards and centers.

That's who available where we're picking. Or I should say, the guys with the most upside at G's or C's where we are picking

Goes to show how hard picking players near the top of the draft is... By comparison, look how we've done picking from 16 and below.

2014:
#3 Joel Embiid
#41 Nikola Jokić
2015:
#3 Jahlil Okafor
#13 Devin Booker
2016:
#1 Ben Simmons
#3 Jaylen Brown
2017:
#1 Markelle Fultz
#3 Jayson Tatum
2018:
#10 Mikal Bridges (traded for #16 Zhaire Smith)
#11 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
2020:
#21 Tyrese Maxey
None (no better wing/forward available)
2024:
#16 Jared McCain
None (no better wing/forward available)
#41 Adem Bona
None (no better wing/forward available)

This is where we have to give Morey credit. He really finds good players in the draft as compared to other teams.

The other thing that needs to be taken into account is the actually draft class. Most, not all but most draft classes only has role players in them. I feel this way about this draft class, except for Flagg

I find it hysterical when I see guys posting, "we need a star at 3". Well what if there are no stars in the draft outside of Cooper??? So the best thing to do is grab the guy you think is going to the most productive to a winning team.

[OleSchool]

Take Ace.. this team literally keeps taking centers and guards in the lottery last time we took a wing Andre Iguadala panned out. . We pasted on Jaylen Brown and Ingram and they all are good to very good/ great players..

Taking Ace feels like "need" rather than "BPA"

[LeonJordanJr24]

Take Ace.. this team literally keeps taking centers and guards in the lottery last time we took a wing Andre Iguadala panned out. . We pasted on Jaylen Brown and Ingram and they all are good to very good/ great players..

Taking Ace feels like "need" rather than "BPA"

Ace is fit and most upside... Tre and Vj dont have more upside and worst fit . We need rim protection, size, athleticism, rebounding all that ace provides.

[Sixerfever216]

I refuse to watch a Harper maxey backcourt the game slows down in the playoffs you got to be able to guard your position

[Redemption76]

I don’t think you need to worry about the playoffs if Joel is cooked…

[Stanford]

I don’t think you need to worry about the playoffs if Joel is cooked…

We're just never going to make the playoffs again?

[mjkvol]

#3 + 2028 LAC 1st (no more) for Harper or Edgecombe at #3 is where I'm settled at.

Icing on the cake would be trading Embiid for a second 1st-round pick in the top-20 (New Orleans, Toronto, Houston, Minnesota, Miami).

My trade was just an expansion on that.
"Spurs #2 & #14, for
Sixers #3 & LAC 2028 top 6 protected & Sixers 2031 unprotected(?)..."

I'm at a loss on Embiid. If he gets healthy he'll play. If he can play I doubt he's traded, not during next season anyway.

At what point does Morey concede that the team needs to move on from Embiid. When he's totally cooked and untradeable, or when he finishes a complete season giving us one last shot at the finals?

I predict Embiid will drag out his career to get paid in full and push back on medical retirement, creating an ongoing headache for the FO.

Ironically, I might be less concerned with Embiid's health than the culture and tone he sets. The sluggishness and moping when things aren't going his way. That ****'s contagious and we've seen it bring the whole team down time and time again. Not building chemistry and practicing with the team as much as possible. All of it just needs to be far removed from the young group we have.

I love the big fella and everything he's done for the franchise, but it's time to move on. How many more iterations of Embiid-led teams are we going to try? It's time to get younger, healthier, and faster as the rest of the league continues to pass us by.

Agree with this, and I'll add that assuming he is healthy and can play, are we seriously going to go back to the Embiid-centric scheme that has maxed out in the 2nd round of the playoffs his entire career, despite the constant shuffling of the roster to "properly" build around him? Because if he plays, that is all he knows, and I suspect will ever know.

It is stunning to me to still see some "if Jo is healthy and if PG returns to form" posts, as if it is anything but complete insanity to prepare a roster with the infinitesimal possibility that could happen. There's a much better chance that lightning strikes and destroys the Wells Fargo Center and the new arena is needed sooner.

It's over. We're way past the time to move on.

[Arsenal]

Take Ace.. this team literally keeps taking centers and guards in the lottery last time we took a wing Andre Iguadala panned out. . We pasted on Jaylen Brown and Ingram and they all are good to very good/ great players..

Taking Ace feels like "need" rather than "BPA"

Airous is both the BPA, AND fits a glaring need. The only thing better than taking him at #3 is fleecing extra assets out of another team and still getting him.

[OleSchool]

Take Ace.. this team literally keeps taking centers and guards in the lottery last time we took a wing Andre Iguadala panned out. . We pasted on Jaylen Brown and Ingram and they all are good to very good/ great players..

Taking Ace feels like "need" rather than "BPA"

Ace is fit and most upside... Tre and Vj dont have more upside and worst fit . We need rim protection, size, athleticism, rebounding all that ace provides.

So basically you're saying u want him as a defensive stopper

[OleSchool]

I don’t think you need to worry about the playoffs if Joel is cooked…

We're just never going to make the playoffs again?

EVER.....

Can't do green font on phone lol

[OleSchool]

My trade was just an expansion on that.
"Spurs #2 & #14, for
Sixers #3 & LAC 2028 top 6 protected & Sixers 2031 unprotected(?)..."

I'm at a loss on Embiid. If he gets healthy he'll play. If he can play I doubt he's traded, not during next season anyway.

At what point does Morey concede that the team needs to move on from Embiid. When he's totally cooked and untradeable, or when he finishes a complete season giving us one last shot at the finals?

I predict Embiid will drag out his career to get paid in full and push back on medical retirement, creating an ongoing headache for the FO.

Ironically, I might be less concerned with Embiid's health than the culture and tone he sets. The sluggishness and moping when things aren't going his way. That ****'s contagious and we've seen it bring the whole team down time and time again. Not building chemistry and practicing with the team as much as possible. All of it just needs to be far removed from the young group we have.

I love the big fella and everything he's done for the franchise, but it's time to move on. How many more iterations of Embiid-led teams are we going to try? It's time to get younger, healthier, and faster as the rest of the league continues to pass us by.

Agree with this, and I'll add that assuming he is healthy and can play, are we seriously going to go back to the Embiid-centric scheme that has maxed out in the 2nd round of the playoffs his entire career, despite the constant shuffling of the roster to "properly" build around him? Because if he plays, that is all he knows, and I suspect will ever know.

It is stunning to me to still see some "if Jo is healthy and if PG returns to form" posts, as if it is anything but complete insanity to prepare a roster with the infinitesimal possibility that could happen. There's a much better chance that lightning strikes and destroys the Wells Fargo Center and the new arena is needed sooner.

It's over. We're way past the time to move on.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor... NOTHING IS OVER!!!!

Lol

[76ciology]

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I’d like to have this guy with the 35th pick. I wouldn’t mind burning one of those 2nd rounders we got from the Wiz to move up.

Sam Vecenie also said the same thing when asked who should we draft with the 35th pick

[OleSchool]

Take Ace.. this team literally keeps taking centers and guards in the lottery last time we took a wing Andre Iguadala panned out. . We pasted on Jaylen Brown and Ingram and they all are good to very good/ great players..

Taking Ace feels like "need" rather than "BPA"

Airous is both the BPA, AND fits a glaring need. The only thing better than taking him at #3 is fleecing extra assets out of another team and still getting him.

*****Warning long post*****

Here's what I don't understand about the Ace fans.

Now I'm speaking for me directly. When I look at the SF position I need the guy to do a few things. 1) able to shoot the 3. 2) be able to break his man down. 3) be my secondary ball handler and distributor. So basically be a point forward.

Ace doesn't have a broken shot. It needs to be a little quicker and higher. So some minor tweaks, which I'm confident that he'll be able to fix over time. Until that time the shot is going to be off. So his 3pt% will drop in the pros, SLIGHTLY until it's tweaked

To be able to break his man down and push the defense he'll need 2 things and he won't really need both (but it definitely helps) but he has to be EXCEPTIONAL at one of them IF he doesn't have both. The first is an ELITE first step, which Ace doesn't have. Now, are there training methods to increase his athletic ability? Sure, running backs and wide receivers train that. I'm not that certain BBALL players train like that.

Can Ace develop head fakes, head bobs, feet shuffle. SOMETHING to give himself space to blow past his defender? Maybe? Idk. Eventually other teams will get the book on him and say something like "don't buy the first head fake he's going left" or something to that effect. So, without an ELITE first step he'll need PG handles to be able to break his man down.

Now, to my knowledge, and I can definitely be wrong BUT there is only 1 player who came into the league with avg to below avg handles (who was a non PG) and developed his handles enough to actually be a secondary or even primary ball handler and that was Kobe. So, is Ace going to end up be a top 5 player in league history? Probably not.

In my opinion developing handles are the hardest thing to do. My God, Thad Young has been in the league 85 years and he still dribbles the ball off his foot when he goes baseline. I'm not saying Ace's handles are as bad as Thad's but hopefully you get the point.

Now, he needs to have the vision to, once he breaks his man down to pass to the open man when the D collapses. Which requires BBIQ. Ace doesn't have that. Could he develop a better awareness as time goes on. Sure but imo he's not going to be exceptional at that for a while if ever.

So, out of the 3 qualities that I look for in a SF, (which Ace will be) Ace only checks 1 box and that needs tweaking.

Ace, even if he grows will NEVER be a PF cause of his body type. He will always be slender, think KD BODY TYPE not skill level. Hes going to DESTROYED on the block.

So if Ace ain't going to be a point forward what EXACTLY is he? A poor mans Mikal Bridges