The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[Saberestar]

I think u guys get Ware since KD will extend in miami

I really don't get the excitement about Ware. Yeah, his physical profile is great but he looks RAW out there.
His awareness and basketball IQ needs to improve badly.

I know that he is young and has nice upside but we have seen so many times rookie Cs who play OK in their rookie seasons and then don't improve much during their careers.

Wiseman and Bagley come to my mind. Ware has been better than them on their rookie seasons?

[WuTang_OG]

I think u guys get Ware since KD will extend in miami

I really don't get the excitement about Ware. Yeah, his physical profile is great but he looks RAW out there.
His awareness and basketball IQ needs to improve badly.

I know that he is young and has nice upside but we have seen so many times rookie Cs who play OK in their rookie seasons and then don't improve much during their careers.

Wiseman and Bagley come to mi mind. Ware has been better than them on their rookie seasons?

Wiseman had stone hands. Bagley was never a 5 more a tweener.

I think Ware has got great upside as one of the best 5’s in the NBA

[Ghost of Kleine]

Except the reporting is very clear that the Spurs aren't moving Sochan. I don't see them handing over the Hawks pick either unless it's lotto protected.

Misdirection and postering. But it appears to me that although very brief, those are indeed boxes and luggage in this clip behind he and his friends. And that portion of the freeway looks distinctly like I-10 coming into town from the Papago freeway tunnel.

And honestly though, in the NBA it happens from time to time wherein reports of teams not trading players or not making specific moves is put out ( to not diminish exchange value) and then later those moves still do end up happening.

That makes no logical sense. Sochan wouldn't be packing up his stuff to move unless the deal was done, and it's clearly not done so obviously he's just trolling people.

Perception is subjective though man. Often we choose to frame situations through a lens that fits our preferred narratives. And it would make logical sense if the framework is essentially done, but it hasn't been fully submitted for approval by the league due to finalizing details.

And are just haggling over pick exchanges?? Suns are pushing for the #2 or Castle. Know they likely aren't getting Castle, but are now focused on pushing for the #2 pick.

But will eventually settle for thev14th pick, 38th pick and the ATL 27' 1st or something along those lines. BUT, the majority framework is already completed and Sochan has already been informed by his agent and is scoping out Phoenix with his crew and looking at homes (the other Instagram post is typical Scottsdale interior designs).

I do think the deal is already done though (the players' framework portion) and Sochan has been informed and is house hunting. And the final details before submitting to the league office are just the picks inclusions, and that's the reference that Gambo is making towards saying they have an offer that they like.


BUT are putting out all of these reports as postering to try and get the Spurs to budge on the 2nd pick so they can finalize and submit the offer to the league for approval. And for the record,

I'm more than fine with the 14th pick, but can understand pushing for the 2nd as KD would surely resign with San Antonio for the long term, hence the reports being put out indicating this.

The holdup is only Phoenix trying to push for better pick inclusion value as a result of KD not being only a rental for his three preferred destinations.

[Bogyo]

I think u guys get Ware since KD will extend in miami

I really don't get the excitement about Ware. Yeah, his physical profile is great but he looks RAW out there.
His awareness and basketball IQ needs to improve badly.

I know that he is young and has nice upside but we have seen so many times rookie Cs who play OK in their rookie seasons and then don't improve much during their careers.

Wiseman and Bagley come to my mind. Ware has been better than them on their rookie seasons?

Same. If we trade with Miami I really hope that Jovic is in the packge as well as I feel that him and Ware are not sure things either and I think we have a better chance of hitting on one. As for the pick(s) coming back, especially from Miami, it would have to be this year or further out as in the super weak east they will be a playoff team most likely with a core of Bam, Herro, Jaquez, KD.

[Djedefre]

Yeah, Ware is nothing to be excited about. But then again, we won't be getting an allstar or anything close, so guys like him, Vassell etc. are just sad reality. We'll essentially be losing value whatever package we accept. Yet again, our moronic owner will learn very soon there is no such thing as a reset/retool/rebuild with Booker. It's pure nonsense. He'll leave eventually, after season or two more of winning like 30 games, only then the return will be signifficantly weaker and Suns will (again) be in worse position than yesterday.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Read on Twitter

[Mulhollanddrive]

So if all our salary dumping goes ahead we're left with Booker, Dunn, Ighodaro and whoever we get from trades

[Bogyo]

Not sure if this is reliable at all - would be against the "win now" dream of Ishbia. Trading them for pieces that fit better / bigger need is (and should be) a priority, especially if we are getting wing(s) back in the KD trade (or draft 1-2).
Trading one of them to Orlando for Cole Anthony would make a ton of sense (for both teams). We don't have a starting caliber PG, they do not have any wing scoring or shooting.

[RaisingArizona]

If we trading with ORL, we bringing Issac home, right GOK?

[Bogyo]

If we trading with ORL, we bringing Issac home, right GOK?

We dont have the salaries to do so (and cant aggregate players). But we would need a starting caliber pf/c as well, and Orlando has too many with Wagners, Paolo, WCJ, Goga... But Issac is also overpaid for that production and often injured

[BobbieL]

I think u guys get Ware since KD will extend in miami

Miami can get a bunch of cap space in the summer of 2027 -- -with Rozier and Robinson expiring this summer and Herro next summer - so maybe its a one year extension for Durant

[BobbieL]

So if all our salary dumping goes ahead we're left with Booker, Dunn, Ighodaro and whoever we get from trades

That should be the plan and just let Beal expire in 2027 and see what you can build.

The Minnesota trade, even Gobert, is the ultimate short term try to see if you can get into the playoffs - one or two yeards

Trading with Houston - getting picks back or even with Miami and younger players like Jovic and Ware shows you are trying to back to almost square one and rebuilding for the longer term.

[Bogyo]

So if all our salary dumping goes ahead we're left with Booker, Dunn, Ighodaro and whoever we get from trades

That should be the plan and just let Beal expire in 2027 and see what you can build.

The Minnesota trade, even Gobert, is the ultimate short term try to see if you can get into the playoffs - one or two yeards

Trading with Houston - getting picks back or even with Miami and younger players like Jovic and Ware shows you are trying to back to almost square one and rebuilding for the longer term.

Thing is: we dont have any (good, not the end of first round) draft picks until 2031. So not only our owner doesnt want to bottom out, it makes no sense either. If you wanna do that, then you trade Booker assasin style for a gazzilion picks, and get the trade for KD with the most picks in it. There is no indication of that happening.

[schnakenpopanz]

we cqan not rebuild because we don't have our picks, we can nit compete because ownership is clueless. there are not trades that will fix this. dream on

[bullsaficianado]

Except the reporting is very clear that the Spurs aren't moving Sochan. I don't see them handing over the Hawks pick either unless it's lotto protected.

Misdirection and postering. But it appears to me that although very brief, those are indeed boxes and luggage in this clip behind he and his friends. And that portion of the freeway looks distinctly like I-10 coming into town from the Papago freeway tunnel.

And honestly though, in the NBA it happens from time to time wherein reports of teams not trading players or not making specific moves is put out ( to not diminish exchange value) and then later those moves still do end up happening.

That makes no logical sense. Sochan wouldn't be packing up his stuff to move unless the deal was done, and it's clearly not done so obviously he's just trolling people.

He is actually in Phoenix prepping for the Eurobasket tourney team for Poland. So he was not trolling. He is Polish.

[BobbieL]

So if all our salary dumping goes ahead we're left with Booker, Dunn, Ighodaro and whoever we get from trades

That should be the plan and just let Beal expire in 2027 and see what you can build.

The Minnesota trade, even Gobert, is the ultimate short term try to see if you can get into the playoffs - one or two yeards

Trading with Houston - getting picks back or even with Miami and younger players like Jovic and Ware shows you are trying to back to almost square one and rebuilding for the longer term.

Thing is: we dont have any (good, not the end of first round) draft picks until 2031. So not only our owner doesnt want to bottom out, it makes no sense either. If you wanna do that, then you trade Booker assasin style for a gazzilion picks, and get the trade for KD with the most picks in it. There is no indication of that happening.

No, you are correct. I don't see how he can just trade Durant, O'Neal, Allen, stretch Beal and get to the type of team he wants. The only thing he will do is end up in NBA purgatory - or worse. He is going to be in that 11-15 range in the West. Booker cannot carry this team by himself.

Its why Minnesota is a lousy trade partner - I don't like anybody. Sure I mentioned GObert Dilly and Donte - -maybe McDaniels over Gobert . But I don't want Randle. And their picks stink

Ishbia can't try to walk a fine line of trying to compete and rebuild - just to have Booker on the court in the hopes of fans watching Booker

EArvin Magic Johnson said it the other day "what makes a superstar?
paraphrasing -- when that player goes on the road and fans show up to see them. Booker isn't that guy. He just isn't. He is Demar DeRozan or Klay Thompson type personality. Nobody going out of there way to see him. And if the Suns are 12-25 -- they won't show up to see Booker either

[RaisingArizona]

we cqan not rebuild because we don't have our picks, we can nit compete because ownership is clueless. there are not trades that will fix this. dream on

So what's your suggestion? Just keep on keeping on?

[Fo-Real]

Read on Twitter

I'm calling it that the Suns accept a Vassell/ Barnes/ Sochan package. And that them asking for the 2nd pick or Castle is just postering. But eventually they'll settle on the above package from the Spurs.

Basically a KD for Vassell/ Barnes/ Sochan/ 14th pick/ 38th pick/ ATL 27' 1st. And call it a day. But they're definitely trying to push for better value if possible.

And these Instagram posts indicate that a KD to Spurs framework is already 90% complete and they're really just haggling over pick value inclusion.

I do think some NBA players like to have fun with the speculation, and basically troll fans by making cryptic posts.

Remember when Kyrie posted that video with the House of the Rising Sun playing the in background, and everyone thought this meant he was heading to Phoenix?

For sure!
But to me it looks like a situation wherein he's moving to Phoenix with his buddies helping him ( his entourage)?? And is that luggage or boxes behind him on the left behind him. It might he just what you're saying man. But it does seem like a lot to go through with just to troll a fanbase?

I just get the feeling that he's down here with "his boys" looking at potential homes, or already has a place (due to trade already being done)?? And his friends are with him to check out Phoenix and help him transition to Phoenix.

Good eye. That us quite a bit of luggage! And it looks like a road trip, to bring a personal vehicle. You don't fly in, rent a car and have that much **** for a short visit. But it also could be him coming here for extended offseason workouts. We have a lot if specialist, like shooting coaches who run their workouts here and only here, gotta come to them.

[matt131]

Umm

Read on Twitter

?s=46

[Saberestar]

Umm

Read on Twitter

?s=46

Four unprotected FRPs????

OMG.