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Re: NBA General Discussion: 24-25 

Post#1321 » by Arsenal » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:22 pm

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okboomer wrote:That loss by the Pacers is probably going to be felt by their fanbase for a very long time.


Yeah, that's the one they'll look back at if they lose the series. It was theirs for the taking, but we found out that there's a lot more to this OKC team than blowout wins.


Yes last night was the one. Same as Nuggets losing Game 4 at home to OKC. Thunder will take it now.
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Re: NBA General Discussion: 24-25 

Post#1322 » by Jailblazers7 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:23 pm

I think the sneaker companies have a big part to play in building up the next generation of stars. Ant is the only one with a major shoe company pushing him as the face of the brand. Nike was clearly going to do that with Ja Morant before he imploded. Shai has a signature shoe coming out with Converse (owned by Nike) so hopefully he gets a real marketing push this summer.
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Re: NBA General Discussion: 24-25 

Post#1323 » by mjkvol » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:30 pm

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Jailblazers7 wrote:Yeah this is by far the best series since 2016 imo. The reason ratings are low is because the NBA has done a bad job of succession planning & promotion of the younger generation. The on court product this year in the playoffs has been excellent.


You might be right about the NBA, but I think it's as much to do with it being the worst possible kind of series to attract casual fans, who want to see big stars and highlight reel plays. Grinding physical defense and half court offense isn't much of a ratings magnet, and even SGA's game is predicated on mid-range magic more than 3's and dunks, which is what the casual fan wants to see.

Another problem for the league is that the biggest stars are not strident, divisive figures like James, who as many love to hate as like him, or even Curry, but guys like SGA, Luka, Brunson, and Jokic, who are pretty much invisible off the court.


I think you’re right in some ways but I feel like real basketball fans love this series because it’s legitimately fun to watch. Indiana pushing pace, both teams guarding 94 feet with physicality, leads changing hands all game, etc. The on ball defensive pressure makes the action relentless & engaging for viewers.

I think the NBA just wanted to ride the LeBron & Steph gravy train for too long and now they’re a little lost on how to market the game. Neither of these teams played on Christmas - egregious when it comes to OKC who was a preseason WC favorite and SGA was a clear MVP contender. Halliburton is a big personality with real charm and charisma.

It shouldn’t be that hard to get fans interested in these teams and this play style. But the NBA has continued to put LeBron, Steph, KD, etc at the forefront of their marketing materials past their primes.


Totally agree regarding the NBA's marketing failure, but the type of basketball you describe, and I said it earlier as well, is the type of game that real basketball fans love - the defense, the relentless pressure, the scheming, the adjustments - it's the best NBA series I've watch since the first Warriors run.

There aren't enough real basketball fans to get the type of ratings that will satisfy the sponsors and networks forking over stupid money for the privilege of broadcasting the playoffs. There's a reason that sports leagues relentlessly chase the casual fan - they are what produce huge ratings when they are attracted to an event. The Super Bowl is the perfect example, a dumbed down TV event complete with an endless halftime show to attract the casuals.

But from a basketball fan's POV this series is a dream come true.
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Re: NBA General Discussion: 24-25 

Post#1324 » by mjkvol » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:34 pm

It's so nice to have some real basketball to watch and talk about instead of the endless prospect analyses and dreary Sixers predicament.
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Re: NBA General Discussion: 24-25 

Post#1325 » by Arsenal » Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:22 pm

Huge overpay by ORL for Bane. Makes me wonder what kind of haul we could get for Maxey.
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Post#1326 » by 76ciology » Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:23 pm

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Post#1327 » by Iscull » Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:37 pm

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That’s a ton for Bane
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Post#1328 » by ProcessDoctor » Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:38 pm

Insane price, and Bane isn't really the playmaker to solve that need. I figured they'd be better off going for a Tre or LaMelo type shooter/facilitator.

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Re: NBA General Discussion: 24-25 

Post#1329 » by Stanford » Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:39 pm

Holy ****
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Post#1330 » by Negrodamus » Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:41 pm

This is the most Orlando ass trade I've ever seen.
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Post#1331 » by PhillyFan11 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:51 pm

Wow…if that’s the price for Bane what is Giannis worth?? There aren’t enough 1st’s in the world apparently
Between this and the Bridges trade the cost of good, not great, players is going to get out of control. The OKC/Indy model of team building is going to become the norm. Let other teams make dumb decisions overpaying for players that won’t win championships and build through the draft and targeting underrated role players at a reasonable price.
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Post#1332 » by Arsenal » Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:53 pm

PhillyFan11 wrote:Wow…if that’s the price for Bane what is Giannis worth?? There aren’t enough 1st’s in the world apparently
Between this and the Bridges trade the cost of good, not great, players is going to get out of control. The OKC/Indy model of team building is going to become the norm. Let other teams make dumb decisions overpaying for players that won’t win championships and build through the draft and targeting underrated role players at a reasonable price.


Yes this "selling the farm" for good but not great players like Bridges and Bane is out of control. There's no price for Giannis if this is what Bane and Bridges are going for.
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Re: NBA General Discussion: 24-25 

Post#1333 » by 76ciology » Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:53 pm

PhillyFan11 wrote:Wow…if that’s the price for Bane what is Giannis worth?? There aren’t enough 1st’s in the world apparently
Between this and the Bridges trade the cost of good, not great, players is going to get out of control. The OKC/Indy model of team building is going to become the norm. Let other teams make dumb decisions overpaying for players that won’t win championships and build through the draft and targeting underrated role players at a reasonable price.


Grizz lowkey has a lot of ammo to go after Giannis
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Re: NBA General Discussion: 24-25 

Post#1334 » by Arsenal » Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:57 pm

Negrodamus wrote:This is the most Orlando ass trade I've ever seen.


Orlando is now finished as a contender just like the Knicks. Blew their load on a good but not great player.
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Post#1335 » by Iscull » Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:57 pm

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PhillyFan11 wrote:Wow…if that’s the price for Bane what is Giannis worth?? There aren’t enough 1st’s in the world apparently
Between this and the Bridges trade the cost of good, not great, players is going to get out of control. The OKC/Indy model of team building is going to become the norm. Let other teams make dumb decisions overpaying for players that won’t win championships and build through the draft and targeting underrated role players at a reasonable price.


Yes this "selling the farm" for good but not great players like Bridges and Bane is out of control. There's no price for Giannis if this is what Bane and Bridges are going for.


Not to beat a dead horse… another trade where someone got a lot more for a much worse player than Luka lol
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Post#1336 » by Negrodamus » Sun Jun 15, 2025 4:06 pm

I think the Griz are going to reroute those pick for a big name. Otherwise, what’s the plan with Jackson and Morant?
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Re: NBA General Discussion: 24-25 

Post#1337 » by Stanford » Sun Jun 15, 2025 4:07 pm

Iscull wrote:Not to beat a dead horse… another trade where someone got a lot more for a much worse player than Luka lol


Not really true. If Bane gets 4 unprotected first and a swap, AD would get the same.
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Post#1338 » by Iscull » Sun Jun 15, 2025 4:10 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I think the Griz are going to reroute those pick for a big name. Otherwise, what’s the plan with Jackson and Morant?


Here me out.. how about Playoff P…

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Post#1339 » by Negrodamus » Sun Jun 15, 2025 4:10 pm

Windhorst said the value is to get off of KCPs contract and acquire Bane.
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Post#1340 » by Covi_Marsh » Sun Jun 15, 2025 4:28 pm

I believe Orlando was last in 3s attempted and made last season. Memphis fed on their desperation to add shooters. Surprised they didn’t go after Darius Garland. The injury may have played a part, or Cleveland may have wanted 5 picks.

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