[Charania] Desmond Bane To Orlando For KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 Unprotected 1st Round Picks And 1 Pick Swap

[artsncrafts]

First round picks rarely work out, but that is an insane overpay IF FRP have the value we think they do.

[tdotrep2]

jjj could be interesting, but isn't he on the last year of his contract?

[WuTang_CMB]

in case some confused on that swap

team spartan gonna make that top 10

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[XTC]

Masai needs to go all in on Ja Morant.

[ForeverTFC]

Quickley --- Suggs
Barrett --- Bane
Ingram --- Wagner
Barnes --- Banchero
Poeltl --- Carter

Which starting 5 is better?

Quickley > Suggs
Barrett < Bane
Ingram < Wagner
Barnes = Banchero
Poeltl > Carter

I think you have to look at the depth....I think Magic have better depth and Banchero/Wagner duo already pushed that team to playoffs for a couple seasons now....Barnes has yet to push this team to even a playoff birth....A trio of Banchero/Wagner/Bane has a higher ceiling than a Barnes/Ingram/Barrett trio imo...

Magic depth also might be on another tier as they have a pretty complete bench Black/Isaac/Goga/Mortiz/Da Silva/Joseph/Howard is a solid rotation for them....Compared to us anyways.

Magic have no depth, we crush them there. And I personally think Banchero/Wagner are overrated by NBA fans. Ingram is better than Wagner and Banchero is better at being a number 1 option than Scottie is, but he is not a good number 1 option. The projections are doing a lot of work when people talk about that duo.

We have more talent and depth. Only thing Orlando has going for it is that their team fits together whereas ours doesn't.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Masai needs to go all in on Ja Morant.

why?

[SharoneWright]

in case some confused on that swap

team spartan gonna make that top 10

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What a freaking trade that was!

[PhilBlackson]

Idc what anyone says, 4 picks is crazy and damn did that just mess up the market…now everyone is gonna command something close for almost any recognizable name.

[sidsid]

regardless of the overpay..

this decision to ditch the rebuild +lottery after 1 season (we didn't have our pick last yr and Masai declared rebuild at beginning of season) is looking even worse now..

Indy, NY, Cle, Orl

are all decisively better then us and not old.

Mil may still be, and Boston will be after a yr break.

our core isnt even super young..

-Quickley is 26 tomorrow
-RJ 25
-Scottie 24 before season starts

Masai lack of patience will be the deciding factor on this core, he set these guys up to fail.

We needed 1 or 2 more legit top prospects before switching gears.

This just hammer our fate into hardcore Treadmill ceiling.

Are we convinced Masai can even build a team?

Besides the Kawhi trade the majority of his moves are treadmill quality.

I agree Masai has done a bad job pivoting and he should have made a decision way sooner with trying to actually compete with Siakam/OG/FVV team by trading Barnes while his value was at that all time high for a KD type player...Or pivot fully and trade Siakam/OG/FVV for prolly 50x the value we got for them 3 with a treasure chest of draft picks/prospects and go full on Barnes timeline and play the draft for a few years....Which ever direction we took would have been better than what we ended up having...

But at least now we have our draft picks and a few young prospects where we could make a trade if need be....But i just don't see a player on the market that would put us over the hump....Giannis was the only hope....I feel we will be treading water a few more seasons here waiting for a trade worth making to open up....I don't think Barnes is who we thought he could be....Which puts the ceiling as a team on ice for now....Masai was banking on Lotto balls to get one of Flagg/Harper....We just gotta hope this 9th pick hits and we add another Barnes level player with it...

The problem is that now the price of Kevin Durant has gone up with the Bane trade. And Masai could do something stupid like trade multiple draft assets for KD believing that the “East is wide open”

I don't think that's true.

Age aside, the Suns want a useful player package, not just contract dumps and futures.

Jak/RJ and say Grady are all positive value pieces/prospects in lieu of most of those picks. They still want a/or more picks, but the price of the brick was already there I think.

[Scase]

I know you're smart enough to realize the value of the picks we got vs the value of the picks in this trade.

We got 2 picks in a crappy draft with the 3rd one projected to be in the 20s in 2026. Memphis got the 15th pick in a stacked draft + 2 unprotected picks and a top 2 swap.

Masai put himself into a corner willingly so thats hisnl fault. Regardless, we all hope that was the old and weak Masai... we are getting his prime version going forward

#19 vs #16 is a wash
Indiana 26 vs Orlando 28 let's call it a wash

So it's #29 vs 26 PHX horcrux pick and Orlando 30

For 3.5 year extra of bane and have to take kcp contract for 2 extra years.

19 vs 16 is not a wash because this years draft >>> last years draft.

26 vs 28 is not a wash either because its hard to forecast teams that far out, which is why unprotected picks are much more valuable.

2025 #29 in a crappy draft vs a projected lottery PHO pick next year + 2029 swap + 2030 unprotected 1st.

Also, remember that the Raptors paid Bruce Brown for 2 seasons to be crap too. Cole Anthony > 2 guys who are out of the NBA.

Not to mention they can turn that PHO pick into getting KD for probably not much if they wanted to, or even being a big part of a multi team trade for KD, PHO would be chomping at the bit to get any of their picks back.

This was an incredible haul by MEM.

[mihaic]

I wonder if they will unload Ja next. That's who we should go after anyways. IQ, Dick, picks.

So Bane is worth 5 firsts are you wanting to give up more than that for Ja??

Not 5 picks where did I say . Yes Dick is worth 1, IQ maybe one pick as he is mostly injured. The problem is at the moment neither Dick nor IQ have high value in my opinion. Ja is the better player and if he didn't have the character issues he'd be as good or better as Don Mitchell imo.

[mihaic]

I agree Masai has done a bad job pivoting and he should have made a decision way sooner with trying to actually compete with Siakam/OG/FVV team by trading Barnes while his value was at that all time high for a KD type player...Or pivot fully and trade Siakam/OG/FVV for prolly 50x the value we got for them 3 with a treasure chest of draft picks/prospects and go full on Barnes timeline and play the draft for a few years....Which ever direction we took would have been better than what we ended up having...

But at least now we have our draft picks and a few young prospects where we could make a trade if need be....But i just don't see a player on the market that would put us over the hump....Giannis was the only hope....I feel we will be treading water a few more seasons here waiting for a trade worth making to open up....I don't think Barnes is who we thought he could be....Which puts the ceiling as a team on ice for now....Masai was banking on Lotto balls to get one of Flagg/Harper....We just gotta hope this 9th pick hits and we add another Barnes level player with it...

The problem is that now the price of Kevin Durant has gone up with the Bane trade. And Masai could do something stupid like trade multiple draft assets for KD believing that the “East is wide open”

I don't think that's true.

Age aside, the Suns want a useful player package, not just contract dumps and futures.

Jak/RJ and say Grady are all positive value pieces/prospects in lieu of most of those picks. They still want a/or more picks, but the price of the brick was already there I think.

Yak is a no go. We need a quality starting center.

Edit: he'd set up some really nice picks for quality Durant or Ingram shots on perimeter or at elbow, as well as throw the ball inside to Scottie.

[mihaic]

jjj could be interesting, but isn't he on the last year of his contract?

Why would they trade jjj.

[Scase]

A lot of people talking about how bad the Siakam trade is compared to this, and while I agree that it definitely makes it worse, the real star of this?

How much worse that Luka trade looks knowing that THIS is what Bane pulled from ORL. Insanity.

[Pointgod]

But at least now we have our draft picks and a few young prospects where we could make a trade if need be....But i just don't see a player on the market that would put us over the hump....Giannis was the only hope....I feel we will be treading water a few more seasons here waiting for a trade worth making to open up....I don't think Barnes is who we thought he could be....Which puts the ceiling as a team on ice for now....Masai was banking on Lotto balls to get one of Flagg/Harper....We just gotta hope this 9th pick hits and we add another Barnes level player with it...

The problem is that now the price of Kevin Durant has gone up with the Bane trade. And Masai could do something stupid like trade multiple draft assets for KD believing that the “East is wide open”

I don't think the Bane trade will up KDs value on the market because its diff situations....Bane is 26 turning 27 while KD is 36 turning 37.....Also Bane is locked up for 4 years on a decent deal while KD will be a free agent next year....Sure KD is the better player but the differences are the same reason we got a less package for an expiring Siakam rather than if he was on a 4 year contract when traded...

I think we could get KD for Yak/RJ/9th pick/future 2nd rounders....But we shall see...

Phoenix will probably tell teams that Bane just got 4 firsts and that Durant should get at least 2 or equivalent. That’s my worry that about what Masai might do. That trade you just proposed with Yak/RJ/9th is horrible for us.

[ForeverTFC]

Who knew the Malachi Flynn draft slot was worth 4 future unprotected FRP’s.

What if Nurse handled Bane and not Darko?

Not talked about enough. We didn't hit on any of our firsts/seconds/undrafted guys with Nurse. Under Darko, most players we bring in look like they have a chance of being an NBA player, just as they did under Casey.

I was a big fan of Nurse and defended him while he was here, when he went to Philly, and will forever be grateful for the championship. But it didn't take long for me to realize how wrong I was on him. Great basketball mind but he was terrible at everything else you want from a HC.

[tdotrep2]

jjj could be interesting, but isn't he on the last year of his contract?

Why would they trade jjj.

because he will be looking for a super max, and it's not far fetched that he somehow makes 3rd team all nba. They are obviously not competing either.

[Mattatron]

Look at how trades were for stars back in the day. Some examples.
Denver receives: Allen Iverson

Philadelphia receives: Andre Miller, Joe Smith and two 2007 first-round picks (via Denver and Dallas)

Toronto receives: Kawhi Leonard and Danny Green

San Antonio receives: DeMar DeRozan, Jakob Poeltl and a top-20-protected 2019 first-round pick

LA Clippers receive: Chris Paul and a 2015 second-round pick

New Orleans receives: Al-Farouq Aminu, Chris Kaman, Eric Gordon and Minnesota's 2012 first-round pick

Orlando receives: Arron Afflalo, Al Harrington, Christian Eyenga, Josh McRoberts, Maurice Harkless, Nikola Vucevic, a 2013 second-round pick, a 2014 first-round pick (via Denver or New York), a 2015 first-round pick (via Philadelphia), a 2015 second-round pick (via Lakers) and a 2017 first-round pick (via Lakers)

Top 10 players back in the day could not even fetch more than 2 picks. Now teams are trading half a decade worth of picks for players you can argue are not even top 30 players in the league.

That's not really true, back then, every gm undervalued picks And traded them away for nothing.

They're more valued in today's era.

AI3 wasn't worth **** (Old, Injured, L Mindset) when he was with the nuggets.

Kawhi was a mystery and nobody knew about his status, so that was a gamble and the reason for this low value we had to give up.

CP3 was a gift from Stern to the Flippers.

Today Picks are more valued around the league, everyone just wants them.

[mihaic]

jjj could be interesting, but isn't he on the last year of his contract?

Why would they trade jjj.

because he will be looking for a super max, and it's not far fetched that he somehow makes 3rd team all nba. They are obviously not competing either.

I think they will deal ja instead, rather keep jjj than ja. That said I did not know jjj contract situation. If that is the situation we cannot afford him unless swap for Scottie.

[sidsid]

The problem is that now the price of Kevin Durant has gone up with the Bane trade. And Masai could do something stupid like trade multiple draft assets for KD believing that the “East is wide open”

I don't think that's true.

Age aside, the Suns want a useful player package, not just contract dumps and futures.

Jak/RJ and say Grady are all positive value pieces/prospects in lieu of most of those picks. They still want a/or more picks, but the price of the brick was already there I think.

Yak is a no go. We need a quality starting center.

Edit: he'd set up some really nice picks for quality Durant or Ingram shots on perimeter or at elbow, as well as throw the ball inside to Scottie.

Basically the one absolute requirement we've heard throughout this process is that the Suns want a C guaranteed.

Jak is gone. The same way Scottie is gone if we were making a Giannis trade.

Forget about anything else, get your body ready for it, because if KD is here Jak is gone. And then try to get excited for the courtship of very old Horford and Lopez and begging them come play with Durant.