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The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2141 » by BobbieL » Sun Jun 15, 2025 8:30 pm

thamadkant wrote:KD to Raptors for Poetl, Pick 9 and Barrett and a future lottery protected pick

Then

Rockets change their sights to Booker, offers Suns 2027 and 2029 picks, plus 3 future Rockets first rounders, Green and Jabari Smith Jr

Would be a haul and a good start for a rebuild.

Keep Beal as tank commander until he becomes an expiring contract and ups his value by leading Suns in scoring.


The second and third line items won't happen as it seems emotion is driving both of the Booker and Beal decisions. Well with Beal, its cash, luxury tax. But the plan above, if executed as outline, I think would put the Suns on the right track.

I have always thought that if the Suns could get very good value for Booker and Durant - that would be a better team than trading Durant and doing whatever with Beal - which is negative value. I think Beal could score in the low 20's if healthy. Booker stans don't want to hear it though
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2142 » by One_and_Done » Sun Jun 15, 2025 9:08 pm

Slim Charless wrote:This should mean the #2 or Castle have to be on the table for SAS. Also we need at 2 of our picks back from Houston if either team wants KD

I don't get how you can believe this. Even Sochan is off the table. The Heat don't want to include a so-so prospect in Ware. The Rockets are offering Green's bad contract and not much more. It feels like you're not reading the room at all here.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2143 » by Puff » Sun Jun 15, 2025 9:12 pm

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Either way, I love how you pretend you dont want KD, and spend all this time here in our forum annoying everyone here. Because none of us want you in our forum and would gladly see you back in Spurs one, or just not here.


Bully censorship much?

Slim you are not the group spokesman… nor a moderator.

If we removed annoying posters, well, by my standards this forum wouldn’t have much discussion. Heck, I’m probably on a few lists.

If you disagree just disagree… turning this into some kind of turf war is comical.


That is what he does. He really has a problem. I feel sorry for him, almost.

He does have some good ideas but has no idea as to what is going to happen. That includes the rest of us.

He was the first one to post about the Miami potential trade and is the one I like the best.

His hate against Monty as well as others is truly unbelievable. Monty was our coach during the best years of Suns basketball since MDA. I enjoyed watching us win games. Let him enjoy the 100 Mil he was paid by the Suns and Pistons. He no longer has to warm up to Ayton or Jae Crowder. He no longer has to live in Detroit. Good for him. Good for the Pistons. The finally appear to have found a GM that knows what he is doing.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2144 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sun Jun 15, 2025 9:18 pm

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Slim Charless wrote:This should mean the #2 or Castle have to be on the table for SAS. Also we need at 2 of our picks back from Houston if either team wants KD

I don't get how you can believe this. Even Sochan is off the table. The Heat don't want to include a so-so prospect in Ware. The Rockets are offering Green's bad contract and not much more. It feels like you're not reading the room at all here.


Truth is no one knows what's actually on the table. So much out there is either straight made up for clicks or leaked for leverage.

These deals get done in silence. Was there any reports of the Bane thing before it went down?
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2145 » by Rebound Mound » Sun Jun 15, 2025 9:28 pm

I always trusted Ishbia.
So powerful of a businessman he is that he worked out this with the Grizzlies to get that trade with 4 picks, so KD's value right now has to be like 2 good players and 8 picks.
I alwayd believed...
I am missing the Michigan connection here, though... I will have to look deeper into the matter...
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2146 » by Slim Charless » Sun Jun 15, 2025 9:29 pm

thamadkant wrote:KD to Raptors for Poetl, Pick 9 and Barrett and a future lottery protected pick

Then

Rockets change their sights to Booker, offers Suns 2027 and 2029 picks, plus 3 future Rockets first rounders, Green and Jabari Smith Jr

Would be a haul and a good start for a rebuild.

Keep Beal as tank commander until he becomes an expiring contract and ups his value by leading Suns in scoring.


KD for Scottie Barnes.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2147 » by Slim Charless » Sun Jun 15, 2025 9:31 pm

One_and_Done wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:This should mean the #2 or Castle have to be on the table for SAS. Also we need at 2 of our picks back from Houston if either team wants KD

I don't get how you can believe this. Even Sochan is off the table. The Heat don't want to include a so-so prospect in Ware. The Rockets are offering Green's bad contract and not much more. It feels like you're not reading the room at all here.


KD for Wemby.

Because of your annoying posts, brought the price up.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2148 » by Frank Lee » Sun Jun 15, 2025 9:54 pm

KCP, Cole Anthony, John Konchar plus 4 firsts for KD…..

WHO ‘S WITH ME !!!


(Honestly I believe some here would be happy if not for the backstory)
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2149 » by Puff » Sun Jun 15, 2025 9:59 pm

It appears to me that the Suns could be trying to do the right thing and that is to get bigger.

The question is who is the best or should I say the choice we will end up with to play center and PF next year.

1. Miami trade for Jovic and Ware could be a great answer.
2. The number 9 Toronto or 10 Houston could bring Maluch or Sorber would they work?
3. I doubt we get a legit big via Spurs. Who will be available at 14?
4. Don't want Gobert from Minnesota. We want to get younger via new players or expiring contract with draft picks.
4. Is Claxton our answer? Our new head coach had him in Brooklyn.

I hope we end up with a couple of legit bigs to work in with Oso and Dunn. We also need a SF bigger than 6'5. Hopefully we get all three front court positions upgraded in the deal/deals we end up doing.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2150 » by MrMiyagi » Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:00 pm

Frank Lee wrote:KCP, Cole Anthony, John Konchar plus 4 firsts for KD…..

WHO ‘S WITH ME !!!


(Honestly I believe some here would be happy if not for the backstory)

Make it for Bradley Beal and I'm sold!
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2151 » by RaisingArizona » Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:09 pm

BobbieL wrote:
RaisingArizona wrote:Feels like that was a big overpay but will probably help us set the market so I like it


I am not sure it will help the Durant market. But Ishbia and Gregory should be thinking about Booker.

I know you are :lol:
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2152 » by RaisingArizona » Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:11 pm

One_and_Done wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:This should mean the #2 or Castle have to be on the table for SAS. Also we need at 2 of our picks back from Houston if either team wants KD

I don't get how you can believe this. Even Sochan is off the table. The Heat don't want to include a so-so prospect in Ware. The Rockets are offering Green's bad contract and not much more. It feels like you're not reading the room at all here.

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2153 » by Qwigglez » Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:11 pm

I think Eastern Conference teams are willing to overpay since the East next season will be completely wide open. Jayson Tatum has an injury that will likely take at least half the season to heal and come back. Pacers had an incredible run but will likely lose key pieces this offseason. The Cavs will need to recognize they have a strong regular season team but not a championship caliber team. The Magic are capitalizing on that and traded future picks to have a contending team the next several years.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2154 » by Sunsdeuce » Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:12 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:This should mean the #2 or Castle have to be on the table for SAS. Also we need at 2 of our picks back from Houston if either team wants KD

I don't get how you can believe this. Even Sochan is off the table. The Heat don't want to include a so-so prospect in Ware. The Rockets are offering Green's bad contract and not much more. It feels like you're not reading the room at all here.


Truth is no one knows what's actually on the table. So much out there is either straight made up for clicks or leaked for leverage.

These deals get done in silence. Was there any reports of the Bane thing before it went down?

Bingo. It’s going to be different than anyone has discussed on this board.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2155 » by RaisingArizona » Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:12 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:This should mean the #2 or Castle have to be on the table for SAS. Also we need at 2 of our picks back from Houston if either team wants KD

I don't get how you can believe this. Even Sochan is off the table. The Heat don't want to include a so-so prospect in Ware. The Rockets are offering Green's bad contract and not much more. It feels like you're not reading the room at all here.


KD for Wemby.

Because of your annoying posts, brought the price up.


Suns should start trying to trade the Spurs Beal because of this guy lol
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2156 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:17 pm

Frank Lee wrote:KCP, Cole Anthony, John Konchar plus 4 firsts for KD…..

WHO ‘S WITH ME !!!


(Honestly I believe some here would be happy if not for the backstory)


So basically a bad contract (KCP), and two mediocre bench players on multi year contracts seems like a good value package for KD man? I get the picks are the value difference here, but why take another team's garbage? Just for those picks? :-?
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Post#2157 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:27 pm

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2158 » by BobbieL » Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:29 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:I don't get how you can believe this. Even Sochan is off the table. The Heat don't want to include a so-so prospect in Ware. The Rockets are offering Green's bad contract and not much more. It feels like you're not reading the room at all here.


Truth is no one knows what's actually on the table. So much out there is either straight made up for clicks or leaked for leverage.

These deals get done in silence. Was there any reports of the Bane thing before it went down?

Bingo. It’s going to be different than anyone has discussed on this board.


Very much different
Names being released -- or made up - are being released just to not tell the real story
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2159 » by One_and_Done » Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:31 pm

I think a lot of fans don’t understand how the media works. Generally, there are two extremes for front offices, in terms of their relationships with the media.

On one end of the spectrum, you have teams like the Spurs and Thunder. Nothing leaks out of these teams, and the local media basically work as a team with the organisation to put out favourable coverage. When you see a story from local reporters about the team, you know it’s one that the front office put out there. Look at how long the Spurs kept the Kawhi problems under wraps.

These organisations all tend to be small markets, and play out West. The loyalty of the media is driven by the fact that the team is the only game in town, and the owner of the media company usually has a close relationship with the owner of the team. There’s a civic pride factor as well, of “this is our towns one team, and we’re all behind it”. On the organisation side, it also makes no sense to leak, because when you work for an organisation like San Antonio or the Thunder, you are going to be poached eventually (with that organisations blessing), and become part of their coaching/exec tree. Why would you risk that to try and get good coverage by a journalist? It’d be crazy.

On the other end of the spectrum, there are markets where everything leaks, like the Knicks. These organisations tend to be in the East, whose media is bigger than the team, and have dysfunctional owners that appoint nepotistic hires into the front office. These nepo-hires compete with each other for the ear of the interfering owner, and try to build up their own fiefdoms in the organisation. To that end, it makes sense to leak how another rivals fiefdom supposedly screwed up something. Because everyone is leaking, it’s hard to figure out who leaked what, and the owner has loyalties that mean the GM can’t just sack the people he doesn’t trust. In San Antonio or OKC, if the lead decision maker doesn’t trust you, then you’re gone. In these big, Eastern sieves, the GM is often a rival to these entrenched buddies of the owner. The biggest challenge of being the Orlando GM? You have to work with Alex “the snake” Martins, who has been there for decades and is basically the shadow GM.

That brings us back to this situation. KD is leaking through Shams who he won’t extend with. That’s to let those teams know not to bother trading for him (which will make them lower their offers, which in turn will mean the Suns won’t trade him there because the offers will suck). The Suns are leaking through their man Gambo that everything is going to be great, and they have something wonderful lined up, to get an early start on PR control with the fans, and in a doomed attempt to create leverage with the far superior organisations they’re stuck negotiating with (SA, Miami, and Houston). The Spurs are leaking to their fans that Sochan isn’t in the deal, and nor is Castle or the #2, and all they’re offering is guys like Vassell/Barnes/Keldon, and have told Sochan he isn’t getting traded (which is why he’s confidently trolling everyone on social media). That’s where things stands now. Basically anything Gambo says is spoon fed by the Suns PR, in exchange for him continuing to get favourable access.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#2160 » by Slim Charless » Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:59 pm

One_and_Done wrote:I think a lot of fans don’t understand how the media works. Generally, there are two extremes for front offices, in terms of their relationships with the media.

On one end of the spectrum, you have teams like the Spurs and Thunder. Nothing leaks out of these teams, and the local media basically work as a team with the organisation to put out favourable coverage. When you see a story from local reporters about the team, you know it’s one that the front office put out there. Look at how long the Spurs kept the Kawhi problems under wraps.

These organisations all tend to be small markets, and play out West. The loyalty of the media is driven by the fact that the team is the only game in town, and the owner of the media company usually has a close relationship with the owner of the team. There’s a civic pride factor as well, of “this is our towns one team, and we’re all behind it”. On the organisation side, it also makes no sense to leak, because when you work for an organisation like San Antonio or the Thunder, you are going to be poached eventually (with that organisations blessing), and become part of their coaching/exec tree. Why would you risk that to try and get good coverage by a journalist? It’d be crazy.

On the other end of the spectrum, there are markets where everything leaks, like the Knicks. These organisations tend to be in the East, whose media is bigger than the team, and have dysfunctional owners that appoint nepotistic hires into the front office. These nepo-hires compete with each other for the ear of the interfering owner, and try to build up their own fiefdoms in the organisation. To that end, it makes sense to leak how another rivals fiefdom supposedly screwed up something. Because everyone is leaking, it’s hard to figure out who leaked what, and the owner has loyalties that mean the GM can’t just sack the people he doesn’t trust. In San Antonio or OKC, if the lead decision maker doesn’t trust you, then you’re gone. In these big, Eastern sieves, the GM is often a rival to these entrenched buddies of the owner. The biggest challenge of being the Orlando GM? You have to work with Alex “the snake” Martins, who has been there for decades and is basically the shadow GM.

That brings us back to this situation. KD is leaking through Shams who he won’t extend with. That’s to let those teams know not to bother trading for him (which will make them lower their offers, which in turn will mean the Suns won’t trade him there because the offers will suck). The Suns are leaking through their man Gambo that everything is going to be great, and they have something wonderful lined up, to get an early start on PR control with the fans, and in a doomed attempt to create leverage with the far superior organisations they’re stuck negotiating with (SA, Miami, and Houston). The Spurs are leaking to their fans that Sochan isn’t in the deal, and nor is Castle or the #2, and all they’re offering is guys like Vassell/Barnes/Keldon, and have told Sochan he isn’t getting traded (which is why he’s confidently trolling everyone on social media). That’s where things stands now. Basically anything Gambo says is spoon fed by the Suns PR, in exchange for him continuing to get favourable access.


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