2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2

[batterybro42]

He was just a baby last year. Don’t you believe in kids getting stronger and developing?

I just don't get what makes you think he's going to make that jump so soon. Outside of a handful of games, Ware was fairly pedestrian and his impact was marginal. It's like all the hype with Jovic who continues to struggle to establish himself as a start or as someone with a major role on the team.

His last 2 months, he averaged ~11 and 10 on ~55fg% and ~25 3pt% with wild swings in his minutes. And he went from ~25-30mpg to 18-20 in the play-in and playoffs v Cavs.

Nothing here makes me think Ware is going to suddenly break out.

Edit: I'll also point out this coincided with Miami's big losing streak. Over these last 2 months, Miami went 8-13.

Lol, so who a player is as a rookie, one that showed clear flashes is who they will be the rest of their career? There's really no fan base that's as contrarian on their own prospects as the Heat. A player like Giannis would have never developed here.

Did Ware show a ton of potential to you that he can create his own shot? He’s a lob threat for sure and cleanup guy. There isn’t anything in his game that points to some sort of major offensive evolution.

He projects to be a 15-10 guy that can be a plus rim protector, but also be a wonky fit that can not be switchable on defense, and get run off the floor by certain lineups. Poor man’s Rudy Gobert

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Glad you aren’t the GM of the team

Dumb take

Tyler Herro is a far better talent than Mr Olympia Phil Heath with a 3 point jump shot

I wish the rest of the league shared your opinion on Tyler.

The Miami Heat clearly do which is why he hasn’t been traded or truly involved in trade talks. Are you going to sit here and with a straight face claim that Desmond Bane is a better basketball player than Tyler Herro?

I know it’s unfortunate and yes I am. They’re basically a wash on offense and Bane is the much better defender.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I just don't get what makes you think he's going to make that jump so soon. Outside of a handful of games, Ware was fairly pedestrian and his impact was marginal. It's like all the hype with Jovic who continues to struggle to establish himself as a start or as someone with a major role on the team.

His last 2 months, he averaged ~11 and 10 on ~55fg% and ~25 3pt% with wild swings in his minutes. And he went from ~25-30mpg to 18-20 in the play-in and playoffs v Cavs.

Nothing here makes me think Ware is going to suddenly break out.

Edit: I'll also point out this coincided with Miami's big losing streak. Over these last 2 months, Miami went 8-13.

Lol, so who a player is as a rookie, one that showed clear flashes is who they will be the rest of their career? There's really no fan base that's as contrarian on their own prospects as the Heat. A player like Giannis would have never developed here.

Did Ware show a ton of potential to you that he can create his own shot? He’s a lob threat for sure and cleanup guy. There isn’t anything in his game that points to some sort of major offensive evolution.

He projects to be a 15-10 guy that can be a plus rim protector, but also be a wonky fit that can not be switchable on defense, and get run off the floor by certain lineups. Poor man’s Rudy Gobert

You were calling him the new franchise leader and the most untouchable player on the team after 3 games last season, what made you change your stance?

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[batterybro42]

I wish the rest of the league shared your opinion on Tyler.

The Miami Heat clearly do which is why he hasn’t been traded or truly involved in trade talks. Are you going to sit here and with a straight face claim that Desmond Bane is a better basketball player than Tyler Herro?

I know it’s unfortunate and yes I am. They’re basically a wash on offense and Bane is the much better defender.

How much have you watched Bane play? He is an accessory scorer of the basketball. The debate with Tyler is if he can be more than that, there is no such debate with Bane. They aren’t remotely in the same skill tier

[fincane30]

Herro could be the better player but a worse fit for what a team is trying to to do and what situation they're in. You'll run yourself in circles if you go "if Bane got that than maybe Herro can get this." The Magic had to send back salary to make it work too. Maybe the Grizzlies have a low opinion of KCP and since the Magic were unwilling to give up players the Grizzlies might want they had to pay the Griz in picks to take KCP.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The Miami Heat clearly do which is why he hasn’t been traded or truly involved in trade talks. Are you going to sit here and with a straight face claim that Desmond Bane is a better basketball player than Tyler Herro?

I know it’s unfortunate and yes I am. They’re basically a wash on offense and Bane is the much better defender.

How much have you watched Bane play? He is an accessory scorer of the basketball. The debate with Tyler is if he can be more than that, there is no such debate with Bane. They aren’t remotely in the same skill tier

I watch the league as a whole plenty. How is he any more of an accessory scorer than Herro if he creates his own offense more than Tyler does? They’re practically a wash offensively scoring and playmaking wise while Bane is the far better defender. I don’t see how you can act like he’s clear cut better than Bane. If you lean Herro > Bane then cool, our fanbase is delusional about him so it makes sense but to act like he’s just far superior is wild lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Herro could be the better player but a worse fit for what a team is trying to to do and what situation they're in. You'll run yourself in circles if you go "if Bane got that than maybe Herro can get this." The Magic had to send back salary to make it work too. Maybe the Grizzlies have a low opinion of KCP and since the Magic were unwilling to give up players the Grizzlies might want they had to pay the Griz in picks to take KCP.

Herro can net you 2, MAYBE 3 in the right situation. We need to find that right situation and reroute the picks for a star or have Herro be a part of the package for the star

[Hallstar]

I just don't get what makes you think he's going to make that jump so soon. Outside of a handful of games, Ware was fairly pedestrian and his impact was marginal. It's like all the hype with Jovic who continues to struggle to establish himself as a start or as someone with a major role on the team.

His last 2 months, he averaged ~11 and 10 on ~55fg% and ~25 3pt% with wild swings in his minutes. And he went from ~25-30mpg to 18-20 in the play-in and playoffs v Cavs.

Nothing here makes me think Ware is going to suddenly break out.

Edit: I'll also point out this coincided with Miami's big losing streak. Over these last 2 months, Miami went 8-13.

Lol, so who a player is as a rookie, one that showed clear flashes is who they will be the rest of their career? There's really no fan base that's as contrarian on their own prospects as the Heat. A player like Giannis would have never developed here.

Did Ware show a ton of potential to you that he can create his own shot? He’s a lob threat for sure and cleanup guy. There isn’t anything in his game that points to some sort of major offensive evolution.

He projects to be a 15-10 guy that can be a plus rim protector, but also be a wonky fit that can not be switchable on defense, and get run off the floor by certain lineups. Poor man’s Rudy Gobert

I think 15/10 will be his floor. He has good touch around the rim, clearly athletic, not a ball stopper and range out to 3 pt . A better shooting Jarett Allen next to Bam would be a ridiculous front court. He needs size, shooting reps and film room.

[3ballbomber]

Teams like Orlando and Knicks be fuxking up the market. Bridges, OG, Bane and Gobert traded like they are stars but just role players.

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& lol @Banes better than Herro. If we land KD, providing some relief offensively, Herro gone ball out nxt yr & have all you cats choking on your words. Watch ya’ll cheer him on instead.

[Bishop45]

Four firsts for Bane, gahlee

Value of a first must’ve changed more than I realized, since days of old

[greg4012]

Ware was useless against Mobley/Allen. What makes you think he'd do any better against a more mobile, much better offensive frontcourt?

He was just a baby last year. Don’t you believe in kids getting stronger and developing?

I just don't get what makes you think he's going to make that jump so soon. Outside of a handful of games, Ware was fairly pedestrian and his impact was marginal. It's like all the hype with Jovic who continues to struggle to establish himself as a start or as someone with a major role on the team.

His last 2 months, he averaged ~11 and 10 on ~55fg% and ~25 3pt% with wild swings in his minutes. And he went from ~25-30mpg to 18-20 in the play-in and playoffs v Cavs.

Nothing here makes me think Ware is going to suddenly break out.

Edit: I'll also point out this coincided with Miami's big losing streak. Over these last 2 months, Miami went 8-13.

Are you of the impression that rookie development needs to coincide with winning for it to prove valuable?

I contend it’s something you progress to. If you didn’t see Ware’s progress this season and his ability to adjust to attention he got and digest what was happening on the court, then I’m sorry you missed it. If you don’t see how his physical tools and presence create a game tilting dynamic when well utilized and the potential that provides, then idk what to tell you.

Perhaps you just have no faith in his 3ball. To me, the obvious natural touch he possesses and his top percentile shooting profile among center prospects his age has me pretty certain Ware will develop to being one of the better 3pt shooting centers in the NBA. Maybe the question is just one of time. How long until he gets there.

[unowen85]

I rank Herro over Bane due to offensive playmaking and defense being pretty much even. But if someone wants to take Bane over Herro because he’s a better shooter and is slightly better than Herro on defense, that’s cool too.

But what doesn’t make sense is that if the Magic, who are in win now mode, decided to trade for Bane, how would it make sense for Riley to trade away his SG who is on par with Bane, if Riley is also in win now mode.

If you’re getting Durant, you need to keep Herro and Bam, and then add better role players around them.

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Holy ****. 2 starters and FOUR 1sts for.... Desmond Bane?

Just imagine what we could get for Herro!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Ware definitely has good touch for his size, needs some strength, lateral quickness, better IQ which should come with reps, and more work to his 3 and he’ll be completely fine

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I rank Herro over Bane due to offensive playmaking and defense being pretty much even. But if someone wants to take Bane over Herro because he’s a better shooter and is slightly better than Herro on defense, that’s cool too.

But what doesn’t make sense is that if the Magic, who are in win now mode, decided to trade for Bane, how would it make sense for Riley to trade away his SG who is on par with Bane, if Riley is also in win now mode.

If you’re getting Durant, you need to keep Herro and Bam, and then add better role players around them.

Someone else making a poor decision shouldn't weigh on our decision making.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Man, I really don’t want Russ. At all.

[lastb1ckman]

Bane is much lower on the scouting report than Herro and is doesnt have the ball handling Herro does. If Bane was in Herro's position this season, we'd likely not have even been a play in team. Its the same situation as with Reeves on the Lakers. Bane is going to a great situation with Franz and Paolo drawing all the attention. Thats his ideal role. (Even thought the Magic wayyyyy over paid)

[contract]

Bane is a year older and more expensive in the short term than Herro. I wonder if the Heat received a call.