ATL - Bane to Orlando for 4 FRP+

[tonyreyes123]

No Finals on Fathers Day is insane. Silver really sucks

[jute2003]

Wait some of you guys think KPJ is worth the MLE?

I think there's a good chance that he's worth significantly more. The value is that i don't think he should or will get paid that much.

[soxperry]

Wait some of you guys think KPJ is worth the MLE?

well, it's a lot more nuanced than that. but if another team offers him the MLE then i do think we should match.

look at how hard it is to acquire a guy even as good as Bane. locking KPJ down now and getting him to bird rights territory in case it really hits is basically the only needle moving card we have that doesn't cost draft assets. it's just money, and two years at 14 is not going to break anything no matter what happens. it would be foolish to throw that opportunity away.

[soxperry]

Wait some of you guys think KPJ is worth the MLE?

I think there's a good chance that he's worth significantly more. The value is that i don't think he should or will get paid that much.

yes, it's a distressed asset. buy low opportunity.

[yannisk]

If Bane is worth 4 FRPs, how much would Giannis be worth….?

Horst asking for every FRP

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[German Athens]

Really curious how the Bane trade shapes the market this summer.

I could see the top flight guys prices going up, but also squeezing the mid/bottom group. Either that means those go for less, or they aren’t traded at all.

This could also be an outlier.

[soxperry]

Really curious how the Bane trade shapes the market this summer.

I could see the top flight guys prices going up, but also squeezing the mid/bottom group. Either that means those go for less, or they aren’t traded at all.

This could also be an outlier.

seems to me that there was probably a bid war.

i remember when we traded for Jrue, there was a rumor that we were bidding against Boston and that they had a big offer that we had to beat. they asked Ainge about it afterwards and he said something to the effect that we may have THOUGHT there was a big offer from Boston (with the subtext being "there wasn't."

[Ron Swanson]

The Bane trade should make us realize both A) how laughable all these Giannis trade proposals have been, and B) how impossibly hard it’s gonna be to actually upgrade this team with just 2031 1st to trade. If this is now the market for guys like Bridges and Bane, then yikes. Gotta wait till next offseason when at least you’ll have multiple firsts to trade.

[ShootingtheJ]

The Bane trade should make us realize both A) how laughable all these Giannis trade proposals have been, and B) how impossibly hard it’s gonna be to actually upgrade this team with just 2031 1st to trade. If this is now the market for guys like Bridges and Bane, then yikes. Gotta wait till next offseason when at least you’ll have multiple firsts to trade.

Agree, but we don't need to get Des Bane to get an actual upgrade. We need someone better than Kuzma, who was the arguably the worst player in the league.

The Magic were desperate for Bane. They shot a league worst 35% on catch and shoot opportunities last year.

[soxperry]

The Bane trade should make us realize both A) how laughable all these Giannis trade proposals have been, and B) how impossibly hard it’s gonna be to actually upgrade this team with just 2031 1st to trade. If this is now the market for guys like Bridges and Bane, then yikes. Gotta wait till next offseason when at least you’ll have multiple firsts to trade.

Yeah, i dont think any team has enough draft capital to trade for Giannis. I think the best you can do is a ton of draft picks and then a couple players who can later be traded for 3 to 4 firsts each.

[German Athens]

The Bane trade should make us realize both A) how laughable all these Giannis trade proposals have been, and B) how impossibly hard it’s gonna be to actually upgrade this team with just 2031 1st to trade. If this is now the market for guys like Bridges and Bane, then yikes. Gotta wait till next offseason when at least you’ll have multiple firsts to trade.

Agree with A, but with B it depends on the tier that a player falls. In the same summer that we traded for Jrue, and gave up 3 1sts and 2 swaps, Chris Paul was traded for a single protected pick.

The middle class may get squeezed as every other team blows their assets on their top targets.

That’s my cope anyway.

[Baddy Chuck]

S-Jax telling people to goggle him 13 years later is funny.

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[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Alllllright, time for Player A vs. Player B!



These are per 36 numbers from last year.



One of them just got traded for 4 first round picks and a swap and makes 36M this coming year. The other is two years younger and fans are having a hard time figuring out if he's worth more than 5M.

I get where you are going with this but player A has a proven track record as an efficient two-way player.

I think player B is worth anything under the MLE but hopes hopes he settles for $5m - $7.5m.

ryan rollins played 10 games for washighton 2 years ago and his numbers blow both those guys away per36. 1/3 of a season post deadline per36 numbers mean what exactly?

jericho sims probably looks like motumbo using this method

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Alllllright, time for Player A vs. Player B!



These are per 36 numbers from last year.



One of them just got traded for 4 first round picks and a swap and makes 36M this coming year. The other is two years younger and fans are having a hard time figuring out if he's worth more than 5M.

Player A has proven himself for 4 straight years and has stayed out of trouble. Player B has 30 decent games and off the court issues. Its not rocket science why 8M makes sense for one and 30M+ for the other.

my point is that many seem to think he's not even worth 8 and i think that's very weird.

30 games ago he was worth less than zero. now hes rosterable. his value is probably worth more to us than any other team in the league. whats that worth? hard to say but not much. thats the only conclusion you can accurately draw

[German Athens]

Probably worth noting that KPJ put up 19,5,6 as a full time starter on okay efficiency as a 23 year old. That was over 2000 minutes. In 600 minutes with the bucks he put up similar per 36 stats.

He’s very talented. That should be clear. His value is low due to the off the court stuff, and that should be pretty clear, too.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Probably worth noting that KPJ put up 19,5,6 as a full time starter on okay efficiency as a 23 year old. That was over 2000 minutes. In 600 minutes with the bucks he put up similar per 36 stats.

He’s very talented. That’s should be clear. His value is low due to the off the court stuff, and that should be pretty clear, too.

also diminished with recency bias by absolutely hideous numbers in LA. personally his numbers in LA and the fact he was literally given away for nothing by a team trying hard core to win just a couple games before we got him freak me out actually

im glad we got him for nothing but it makes alot of sense tht the first team to pay his ass is gonna get the moron me first version back. our team culture is the last thing we have left. if we start over we need to prioritize it. bringing in aholes isnt in our best interest if we want giannis to resign

[soxperry]

The Bane trade should make us realize both A) how laughable all these Giannis trade proposals have been, and B) how impossibly hard it’s gonna be to actually upgrade this team with just 2031 1st to trade. If this is now the market for guys like Bridges and Bane, then yikes. Gotta wait till next offseason when at least you’ll have multiple firsts to trade.

Agree, but we don't need to get Des Bane to get an actual upgrade. We need someone better than Kuzma, who was the arguably the worst player in the league.

The Magic were desperate for Bane. They shot a league worst 35% on catch and shoot opportunities last year.

i fully agree on Kuzma. hell, Kuzma could well end up being the upgrade to Kuzma if Doc can plant the right game plan into his head and he plays within himself. probably not great odds though.

but apart from that, this is where the term "needle mover" comes in. are any of the "upgrades" gonna be upgrade enough to make a difference? that's the question.

what has stuck out to me the most in these late rounds of the playoffs is how many guys on each team can offer more than just shooting on offense. With Dame out, our list of guys who can do more on offense than shoot is basically KPJ and Bobby. Kuzma can do some other stuff but he's not a shooter to begin with and lately has not been efficient so it doesn't really matter. Rollins flashed drive and finish ability but you didn't see it very much (successfully) against the better defenses.

[soxperry]

Probably worth noting that KPJ put up 19,5,6 as a full time starter on okay efficiency as a 23 year old. That was over 2000 minutes. In 600 minutes with the bucks he put up similar per 36 stats.

He’s very talented. That should be clear. His value is low due to the off the court stuff, and that should be pretty clear, too.

let's take a look at that (Player A is still Bane because i'm lazy)



i dont think it takes any mental gymnastics to see the story here:

kid was pretty damn good at a very young age, had some huge interpersonal issues in the locker room and the ugly stuff off the court. was sent packing in the midst of him starting to really figure out some basketball stuff. spends a year in greece. comes back and struggles after not seeing nba action in over a year. change of scenery, change of how he's being used, all of a sudden he's thriving again.

if he stays in Milwaukee, i think he'll have a hell of a year playing next to Giannis. i just really hope the Brooklyn's of the world dont deny us that chance.

[yb90]

If I'm Memphis I'd try to get Murphy out of N.O. with the picks they got from Orl. Going from Bane to Murphy's cost controlled salary would be a huge win.

[SupremeHustle]

If Bane is worth 4 FRPs, how much would Giannis be worth….?

When I said Houston's starting 5 plus Sheppard, I was not joking.