2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Man, I really don’t want Russ. At all.

Were the retirement home reunion destination for these 2 it seems except we’re going to win a lot of games

[lastb1ckman]

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Aw **** if you told me back in 2013 this would be possible some day, I would have had a heart attack. (Too bad its 2025 lol)

[lastb1ckman]

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This why need to keep Ware in order to counter this front line with Bam and KD

Ware was useless against Mobley/Allen. What makes you think he'd do any better against a more mobile, much better offensive frontcourt?

Its the strength issue not the mobility. Allen just pushed Ware all over the court whenever he wanted.

[MartyCONLONNN]

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whats the point of these troll tweets?

[fincane30]

Herro could be the better player but a worse fit for what a team is trying to to do and what situation they're in. You'll run yourself in circles if you go "if Bane got that than maybe Herro can get this." The Magic had to send back salary to make it work too. Maybe the Grizzlies have a low opinion of KCP and since the Magic were unwilling to give up players the Grizzlies might want they had to pay the Griz in picks to take KCP.

Herro can net you 2, MAYBE 3 in the right situation. We need to find that right situation and reroute the picks for a star or have Herro be a part of the package for the star

In this new world where the Heat are now serious about winning(said earlier in the thread) because they're willing to trade Herro, you have to make that move or at least have it all lined up before trading for Durant. You can not trade for Durant and then trade Herro for picks then hope and pray this hypothetical star becomes available. It all has to be done this summer with the dominoes in place. Who will it be? And I mean a top 10 player not a Desmond Bane/Siakam level player. Even OG required Barrett and Quickley. So you're trading whatever isn't tied down along with Herro and picks for that type of star. Durant's age means you can't tell him to chill for a year while he's the only scoring threat and you wait for someone to put you on a list.

[SA37]

He was just a baby last year. Don’t you believe in kids getting stronger and developing?

I just don't get what makes you think he's going to make that jump so soon. Outside of a handful of games, Ware was fairly pedestrian and his impact was marginal. It's like all the hype with Jovic who continues to struggle to establish himself as a start or as someone with a major role on the team.

His last 2 months, he averaged ~11 and 10 on ~55fg% and ~25 3pt% with wild swings in his minutes. And he went from ~25-30mpg to 18-20 in the play-in and playoffs v Cavs.

Nothing here makes me think Ware is going to suddenly break out.

Edit: I'll also point out this coincided with Miami's big losing streak. Over these last 2 months, Miami went 8-13.

Lol, so who a player is as a rookie, one that showed clear flashes is who they will be the rest of their career? There's really no fan base that's as contrarian on their own prospects as the Heat. A player like Giannis would have never developed here.

There is a difference of Ware doing it next year vs 2-4 years down the line.

But you're right, Bam didn't develop in Miami. Neither did Herro.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Herro could be the better player but a worse fit for what a team is trying to to do and what situation they're in. You'll run yourself in circles if you go "if Bane got that than maybe Herro can get this." The Magic had to send back salary to make it work too. Maybe the Grizzlies have a low opinion of KCP and since the Magic were unwilling to give up players the Grizzlies might want they had to pay the Griz in picks to take KCP.

Herro can net you 2, MAYBE 3 in the right situation. We need to find that right situation and reroute the picks for a star or have Herro be a part of the package for the star

In this new world where the Heat are now serious about winning(said earlier in the thread) because they're willing to trade Herro, you have to make that move or at least have it all lined up before trading for Durant. You can not trade for Durant and then trade Herro for picks then hope and pray this hypothetical star becomes available. It all has to be done this summer with the dominoes in place. Who will it be? And I mean a top 10 player not a Desmond Bane/Siakam level player. Even OG required Barrett and Quickley. So you're trading whatever isn't tied down along with Herro and picks for that type of star. Durant's age means you can't tell him to chill for a year while he's the only scoring threat and you wait for someone to put you on a list.

At least it seems Durant is playing out early. Surely it’s done this week

[SA37]

He was just a baby last year. Don’t you believe in kids getting stronger and developing?

I just don't get what makes you think he's going to make that jump so soon. Outside of a handful of games, Ware was fairly pedestrian and his impact was marginal. It's like all the hype with Jovic who continues to struggle to establish himself as a start or as someone with a major role on the team.

His last 2 months, he averaged ~11 and 10 on ~55fg% and ~25 3pt% with wild swings in his minutes. And he went from ~25-30mpg to 18-20 in the play-in and playoffs v Cavs.

Nothing here makes me think Ware is going to suddenly break out.

Edit: I'll also point out this coincided with Miami's big losing streak. Over these last 2 months, Miami went 8-13.

Are you of the impression that rookie development needs to coincide with winning for it to prove valuable?

I contend it’s something you progress to. If you didn’t see Ware’s progress this season and his ability to adjust to attention he got and digest what was happening on the court, then I’m sorry you missed it. If you don’t see how his physical tools and presence create a game tilting dynamic when well utilized and the potential that provides, then idk what to tell you.

Perhaps you just have no faith in his 3ball. To me, the obvious natural touch he possesses and his top percentile shooting profile among center prospects his age has me pretty certain Ware will develop to being one of the better 3pt shooting centers in the NBA. Maybe the question is just one of time. How long until he gets there.

My point is he may take time to develop. Do you know how many people on here promised Oladipo/Jovic/Winslow/KZ Okpala...etc were ready to destroy the league the following season?

And if you want a rags-to-riches-to rags story, look no further than Hassan Whiteside.

As I've said previously, I think Ware's ceiling is Brook Lopez/Porzingis. Even if he makes it to that level, I am ok with Miami getting 2-3 years of Durant even at 37 in exchange. I just don't see Ware being a central, cornerstone player.

I could be wrong, of course.

[SA37]

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This why need to keep Ware in order to counter this front line with Bam and KD

Ware was useless against Mobley/Allen. What makes you think he'd do any better against a more mobile, much better offensive frontcourt?

Its the strength issue not the mobility. Allen just pushed Ware all over the court whenever he wanted.

But vs Banchero or Wagner, the issue will be speed. Even Wendell Carter is extremely athletic and mobile.

My point here is Ware looks much closer to a 3-4 year project than some guy who is going to come in next year with a whole lot figured out. Could I be wrong? Sure. I'm just saying we haven't seen anything to suggest he's gotten anything figured out.

If he'd closed out the season strong and had a solid series vs a very good frontcourt, then we could make an argument he was starting to figure it out and would build off of that. But that's not what he showed.

[batterybro42]

Lol, so who a player is as a rookie, one that showed clear flashes is who they will be the rest of their career? There's really no fan base that's as contrarian on their own prospects as the Heat. A player like Giannis would have never developed here.

Did Ware show a ton of potential to you that he can create his own shot? He’s a lob threat for sure and cleanup guy. There isn’t anything in his game that points to some sort of major offensive evolution.

He projects to be a 15-10 guy that can be a plus rim protector, but also be a wonky fit that can not be switchable on defense, and get run off the floor by certain lineups. Poor man’s Rudy Gobert

You were calling him the new franchise leader and the most untouchable player on the team after 3 games last season, what made you change your stance?

I was wrong and saw a bigger sample size

[Heat3]

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Aw **** if you told me back in 2013 this would be possible some day, I would have had a heart attack. (Too bad its 2025 lol)

they'll sell some jersey's at least.

let's get harden too. so the current generation OKC can embarass the old gen OKC next season

[Beenie]

Zero interest in Westbrick

Good storyline tho

[batterybro42]

I know it’s unfortunate and yes I am. They’re basically a wash on offense and Bane is the much better defender.

How much have you watched Bane play? He is an accessory scorer of the basketball. The debate with Tyler is if he can be more than that, there is no such debate with Bane. They aren’t remotely in the same skill tier

I watch the league as a whole plenty. How is he any more of an accessory scorer than Herro if he creates his own offense more than Tyler does? They’re practically a wash offensively scoring and playmaking wise while Bane is the far better defender. I don’t see how you can act like he’s clear cut better than Bane. If you lean Herro > Bane then cool, our fanbase is delusional about him so it makes sense but to act like he’s just far superior is wild lol

It’s really not wild if you have watched these guys play basketball outside of looking up basketball reference. Not even remotely in the same skill category. Nobody is building defensive gameplans around Desmond Bane.

If you want to argue that Herro isn’t an A1 scorer on a contender that’s extremely fair. My point is nobody in their right mind is even having that discussion about Desmond Bane.

[batterybro42]

Zero interest in Westbrick

Good storyline tho

Russ right now is better and cheaper than Davion Mitchell

[3ammy3uck3ts]

How much have you watched Bane play? He is an accessory scorer of the basketball. The debate with Tyler is if he can be more than that, there is no such debate with Bane. They aren’t remotely in the same skill tier

I watch the league as a whole plenty. How is he any more of an accessory scorer than Herro if he creates his own offense more than Tyler does? They’re practically a wash offensively scoring and playmaking wise while Bane is the far better defender. I don’t see how you can act like he’s clear cut better than Bane. If you lean Herro > Bane then cool, our fanbase is delusional about him so it makes sense but to act like he’s just far superior is wild lol

It’s really not wild if you have watched these guys play basketball outside of looking up basketball reference. Not even remotely in the same skill category. Nobody is building defensive gameplans around Desmond Bane.

Y’all have at it, Herro is better than Bane on both ends of the court. Herro is a way more efficient scorer than Bane, Bane isn’t on scouting reports, Herro playmaker at a much higher clip, and he’s a far better defender than Bane. Orlando reached out to us and offered Franz and 6 1sts for Herro before settling for the much worse Bane.

My sights are on trading for KD, I’ll turn my focus to trading Herro and whatever assets are left for a 3rd star to pair with KD/Bam after we seal the deal there. We’ll see if the front office can finally get it done for once.

[Beenie]

Zero interest in Westbrick

Good storyline tho

Russ right now is better and cheaper than Davion Mitchell

Was terrible in the playoffs against OKC.

Too many boneheads mistakes for me to stomach

[batterybro42]

I watch the league as a whole plenty. How is he any more of an accessory scorer than Herro if he creates his own offense more than Tyler does? They’re practically a wash offensively scoring and playmaking wise while Bane is the far better defender. I don’t see how you can act like he’s clear cut better than Bane. If you lean Herro > Bane then cool, our fanbase is delusional about him so it makes sense but to act like he’s just far superior is wild lol

It’s really not wild if you have watched these guys play basketball outside of looking up basketball reference. Not even remotely in the same skill category. Nobody is building defensive gameplans around Desmond Bane.

Y’all have at it, Herro is better than Bane on both ends of the court. Herro is a way more efficient scorer than Bane, Bane isn’t on scouting reports, Herro playmaker at a much higher clip, and he’s a far better defender than Bane. Orlando reached out to us and offered Franz and 6 1sts for Herro before settling for the much worse Bane.

My sights are on trading for KD, I’ll turn my focus to trading Herro and whatever assets are left for a 3rd star to pair with KD/Bam after we seal the deal there. We’ll see if the front office can finally get it done for once.

Maybe your sights should be set on how we are going to handle division foe Desmond Bane? Now that he’s in the East this conference is locked down. Magic supremacy is finally established

[batterybro42]

Zero interest in Westbrick

Good storyline tho

Russ right now is better and cheaper than Davion Mitchell

Was terrible in the playoffs against OKC.

Too many boneheads mistakes for me to stomach

You’re not taking him for the minimum? Would you rather have Dru Smith coming off an Achilles than Russle Westbrook?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

It’s really not wild if you have watched these guys play basketball outside of looking up basketball reference. Not even remotely in the same skill category. Nobody is building defensive gameplans around Desmond Bane.

Y’all have at it, Herro is better than Bane on both ends of the court. Herro is a way more efficient scorer than Bane, Bane isn’t on scouting reports, Herro playmaker at a much higher clip, and he’s a far better defender than Bane. Orlando reached out to us and offered Franz and 6 1sts for Herro before settling for the much worse Bane.

My sights are on trading for KD, I’ll turn my focus to trading Herro and whatever assets are left for a 3rd star to pair with KD/Bam after we seal the deal there. We’ll see if the front office can finally get it done for once.

Maybe your sights should be set on how we are going to handle division foe Desmond Bane? Now that he’s in the East this conference is locked down. Magic supremacy is finally established

They have a much better outlook than us right now for sure lol we’ll see if the FO can change that

[batterybro42]

Y’all have at it, Herro is better than Bane on both ends of the court. Herro is a way more efficient scorer than Bane, Bane isn’t on scouting reports, Herro playmaker at a much higher clip, and he’s a far better defender than Bane. Orlando reached out to us and offered Franz and 6 1sts for Herro before settling for the much worse Bane.

My sights are on trading for KD, I’ll turn my focus to trading Herro and whatever assets are left for a 3rd star to pair with KD/Bam after we seal the deal there. We’ll see if the front office can finally get it done for once.

Maybe your sights should be set on how we are going to handle division foe Desmond Bane? Now that he’s in the East this conference is locked down. Magic supremacy is finally established

They have a much better outlook than us right now for sure lol we’ll see if the FO can change that

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