[Charania] Desmond Bane To Orlando For KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 Unprotected 1st Round Picks And 1 Pick Swap

[Shakril]

Quickley --- Suggs
Barrett --- Bane
Ingram --- Wagner
Barnes --- Banchero
Poeltl --- Carter

Which starting 5 is better?

Quickley > Suggs
Barrett < Bane
Ingram < Wagner
Barnes = Banchero
Poeltl > Carter

A healthy ingram is better or at least equal to wagner and Banchero is better than Barnes.

[Shakril]

regardless of the overpay..

this decision to ditch the rebuild +lottery after 1 season (we didn't have our pick last yr and Masai declared rebuild at beginning of season) is looking even worse now..

Indy, NY, Cle, Orl

are all decisively better then us and not old.

Mil may still be, and Boston will be after a yr break.

our core isnt even super young..

-Quickley is 26 tomorrow
-RJ 25
-Scottie 24 before season starts

Masai lack of patience will be the deciding factor on this core, he set these guys up to fail.

We needed 1 or 2 more legit top prospects before switching gears.

This just hammer our fate into hardcore Treadmill ceiling.

Are we convinced Masai can even build a team?

Besides the Kawhi trade the majority of his moves are treadmill quality.

If we're healthy, Indiana and Orlando don't worry me.

I called Indiana a mirage, and I feel similar about Orlando.

we call that dillusion.

we won 30 games and Indy is in the finals competitive against a historically good OKC team. (who almost won 70 games with a +13 point differential).

And indiana could lead 3-1 if they hadnt choked in the 4th, which they usually win. But of course, indiana is a fake team /s

[nivisi9]

Bane is actually quite underrated.

Ask yourself this..

What makes "superstar" Devin Booker better then Desmond Bane exactly?

-Desmond Bane is WAY more efficient across the board

-Way more lethal, efficient, high volume 3pt shooter then Booker.

-He's also a WAY BETTER defender then Booker.

Bane can also self create off the dribble hes not restricted as a pure 3+D but can do both -- play as a star and role player.

Can Devin Booker play as a role player when needed for the good of the team?

Consider all the above and what it would cost to acquire Booker off reputation and tell me if the Bane trade was still an overpay.

Go check Bookers numbers and you may be shocked, hes probably the most overrated player in the league.

Every team he's been on has sucked besides the couple yrs Chris Paul showed up so he doesn't really drive winning either.

[gp2015]

If we're healthy, Indiana and Orlando don't worry me.

I called Indiana a mirage, and I feel similar about Orlando.

we call that dillusion.

we won 30 games and Indy is in the finals competitive against a historically good OKC team. (who almost won 70 games with a +13 point differential).

And indiana could lead 3-1 if they hadnt choked in the 4th, which they usually win. But of course, indiana is a fake team /s

They also stole game 1 after being the inferior team for 99% of the game so realistically it should be 2-2, like it is now.

Indy is legit though.

[mihaic]

A lot of people talking about how bad the Siakam trade is compared to this, and while I agree that it definitely makes it worse, the real star of this?

How much worse that Luka trade looks knowing that THIS is what Bane pulled from ORL. Insanity.

I disagree it was much worse. We still got 3 picks vs. 4 picks and a swap. Siakam needed to be extended, Bane is licked on a good contract, better than Siakam expiring.

There is no way that the Siakam trade was worse than the Luka one man, come on lol

Lol I agree I wrote it too ambiguous. I meant Pascal trade is worse than Bane but not by a lot, if considering Bane is extended at cheaper salary, than Pascal got in his extension (and the risk Pascal could have sign elsewhere).

Luka trade is on another level of bad, right there with our Vince Carter trade back in the day, perhaps worse.

[TGM]

People complaining about not getting enough for Siakam. We got 3 first and basically Brown and filler.

So the delta here is a first and a swap. However you getting a guy 3 years younger, with a more complete and efficient game locked in for 4 years where you don’t have to overpay max. Is that worth the delta. Hell yeah!

Would I have traded Siakam a first and a Swap to get Bane at the time. I absolutely would have done the deal.

[Spates]

I disagree it was much worse. We still got 3 picks vs. 4 picks and a swap. Siakam needed to be extended, Bane is licked on a good contract, better than Siakam expiring.

There is no way that the Siakam trade was worse than the Luka one man, come on lol

Lol I agree I wrote it too ambiguous. I meant Pascal trade is worse than Bane but not by a lot, if considering Bane is extended at cheaper salary, than Pascal got in his extension (and the risk Pascal could have sign elsewhere).

Luka trade is on another level of bad, right there with our Vince Carter trade back in the day, perhaps worse.

I wonder if Pascal's trade value has increased all that much. If there were any lingering doubts he's certainly demonstrated that he can play at the highest level but he's also demonstrated that he excels in a specific playstyle. A playstyle very few teams can replicate.

Comparatively, Bane can fit on any team. And naturally, the higher the demand for a player the steeper the price.

[mdenny]

A lot of people talking about how bad the Siakam trade is compared to this, and while I agree that it definitely makes it worse, the real star of this?

How much worse that Luka trade looks knowing that THIS is what Bane pulled from ORL. Insanity.

There's a rational explanation for the Luka trade that Noone seems to want to listen to:

The mavs wanted to trade luka but he was NEVER GONNA LET THAT HAPPEN because it costs him 100 million dollars.

So if they put him on the market....Luka's agent would have simply said: if you trade for luka...he will not resign for your team. Which means all trade offers for luka on an open market would have been 18 month rental packages. Even if Dallas had asked luka for a preferential destination....he would've refused to give them one. Players and player agents don't just give up on 100 million dollars.

So the trade had to be made in secrecy so that luka couldn't do that. But the only way to maintain the secrecy is to pick ONE team and only deal with them (which also lowers the value of the package).

But AD plus a FRP is more than they would've got from a team looking to rent luka for 18 months. In addition....they'd be renting that player after being specifically told by him that he doesn't want to play for you. So it's a reluctant and unmotivated 18 month rental with a massive chip on his shoulder directed at your front office.

I am extremely interested in luka's extension talks this summer. Because if I was agent...who just lost his commission on the 100 million dollars too....I'd be saying to him "y'know the Lakers betrayed your interests just as much as the mavericks did here. The Lakers made out like bandits at YOUR expense by conducting these secret negotiations. Play out the contract and then sign wherever you want to go. Teach them a lesson".

The Lakers can't pay him anything more than the other teams. And the other teams didn't betray his interests.

Man it would be such sweet justice to watch the Lakers lose doncic for nothing. If he doesn't sign an extension....watch for him to have "back pain" next season so that the Lakers can't even flip him as a deadline rental.

[Scase]

I disagree it was much worse. We still got 3 picks vs. 4 picks and a swap. Siakam needed to be extended, Bane is licked on a good contract, better than Siakam expiring.

There is no way that the Siakam trade was worse than the Luka one man, come on lol

Lol I agree I wrote it too ambiguous. I meant Pascal trade is worse than Bane but not by a lot, if considering Bane is extended at cheaper salary, than Pascal got in his extension (and the risk Pascal could have sign elsewhere).

Luka trade is on another level of bad, right there with our Vince Carter trade back in the day, perhaps worse.

Ahhh my bad, I see what youre saying

A lot of people talking about how bad the Siakam trade is compared to this, and while I agree that it definitely makes it worse, the real star of this?

How much worse that Luka trade looks knowing that THIS is what Bane pulled from ORL. Insanity.

There's a rational explanation for the Luka trade that Noone seems to want to listen to:

The mavs wanted to trade luka but he was NEVER GONNA LET THAT HAPPEN because it costs him 100 million dollars.

So if they put him on the market....Luka's agent would have simply said: if you trade for luka...he will not resign for your team. Which means all trade offers for luka on an open market would have been 18 month rental packages. Even if Dallas had asked luka for a preferential destination....he would've refused to give them one. Players and player agents don't just give up on 100 million dollars.

So the trade had to be made in secrecy so that luka couldn't do that. But the only way to maintain the secrecy is to pick ONE team and only deal with them (which also lowers the value of the package).

But AD plus a FRP is more than they would've got from a team looking to rent luka for 18 months. In addition....they'd be renting that player after being specifically told by him that he doesn't want to play for you. So it's a reluctant and unmotivated 18 month rental with a massive chip on his shoulder directed at your front office.

This makes absolutely zero sense. Make the trade public, or do it in secret, he still doesn't get his 100mil. Trading him to the lakers with zero say has just as much of a chance of him being reluctant or unmotivated as any other place, except after he plays poorly or leaves, they have a better package than an old AD.

If anything, that would serve them better. Trade Luka to a team where he doesn't want to stay, get a bunch of picks, he leaves, those pics are immediately more valuable by a long shot.

There is literally zero world where what they did was better than the alternative. We just saw 4 picks 2 solid players, and a swap for Bane. Any team in the NBA would throw the farm at 18 months of Luka and expect to win him over while he's there.

[Spates]

Being capped out and unable to bring in young talent to bolster your roster can cause a team to stagnate, ala Denver.

But, if after 2-3 seasons of little success, Bane, Wagner, Banchero, and Suggs will have enough value to refill the coffers.

[Scase]

Being capped out and unable to bring in young talent to bolster your roster can cause a team to stagnate, ala Denver.

But, if after 2-3 seasons of little success, Bane, Wagner, Banchero, and Suggs will have enough value to refill the coffers.

Yeah, we wouldn't know anything about that lol

[JB7]

If you look at Weltman's decisions since joining the club almost a decade ago, he's had a lot of misfires. I think this will be another one. For me, these heavy pick packages would only be offered to real stars (and i love Bane's game)

Pressure is on Mosley to get the most out of this group. ORL needs to come out of the gate next season much improved or he's likely the first coach fired.

Magic will now have a core of Bane and Wagner on max’s and possibly Banchero on a supermax, if he can manage to get himself on an All-NBA team. Plus Suggs on a very healthy deal. I don’t know if I would consider that a contending core, and that core will squeeze out room for the extensions for players like Black. They’ll need to fill out the roster with cheap contracts.

[Spates]

Being capped out and unable to bring in young talent to bolster your roster can cause a team to stagnate, ala Denver.

But, if after 2-3 seasons of little success, Bane, Wagner, Banchero, and Suggs will have enough value to refill the coffers.

Yeah, we wouldn't know anything about that lol

Lmao, fair enough.

[VC15Era]

Really hope we don't make a stupid trade that gives up all of our draft capital for Giannis or KD.. let's just ride out this storm to greener pastures

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[Merit]

We did?

Yeah those 3 1st rd picks (one of them becoming Ja'kobe) and brown who was traded for Ingram were nothing /s

Some people man delusional is one hell of a mindset

They also ignore that the whole league knew that we have to trade siakam with his contract ending. That drove the price down. Og was an outlier as NYK wanted him so badly they were willing to give more than others.

Agreed on both counts to a certain extent. The thing is, if OG can get RJ/IQ then including him, GTJ before the wheels fell off and at least one first for KD prior to the wheels falling off for him in Phoenix too, doesn’t feel all that unreasonable - despite what posters who have been consistently wrong about trades may assert.

[Merit]

I disagree it was much worse. We still got 3 picks vs. 4 picks and a swap. Siakam needed to be extended, Bane is licked on a good contract, better than Siakam expiring.

There is no way that the Siakam trade was worse than the Luka one man, come on lol

Lol I agree I wrote it too ambiguous. I meant Pascal trade is worse than Bane but not by a lot, if considering Bane is extended at cheaper salary, than Pascal got in his extension (and the risk Pascal could have sign elsewhere).

Luka trade is on another level of bad, right there with our Vince Carter trade back in the day, perhaps worse.

The Luka trade is arguably the worst trade in NBA history. Agreed big time with you on that.

[M3tro]

Orlando got reamed.

I know their guard play stinks but this ain't it.

[Merit]

A lot of people talking about how bad the Siakam trade is compared to this, and while I agree that it definitely makes it worse, the real star of this?

How much worse that Luka trade looks knowing that THIS is what Bane pulled from ORL. Insanity.

There's a rational explanation for the Luka trade that Noone seems to want to listen to:

The mavs wanted to trade luka but he was NEVER GONNA LET THAT HAPPEN because it costs him 100 million dollars.

So if they put him on the market....Luka's agent would have simply said: if you trade for luka...he will not resign for your team. Which means all trade offers for luka on an open market would have been 18 month rental packages. Even if Dallas had asked luka for a preferential destination....he would've refused to give them one. Players and player agents don't just give up on 100 million dollars.

So the trade had to be made in secrecy so that luka couldn't do that. But the only way to maintain the secrecy is to pick ONE team and only deal with them (which also lowers the value of the package).

But AD plus a FRP is more than they would've got from a team looking to rent luka for 18 months. In addition....they'd be renting that player after being specifically told by him that he doesn't want to play for you. So it's a reluctant and unmotivated 18 month rental with a massive chip on his shoulder directed at your front office.

I am extremely interested in luka's extension talks this summer. Because if I was agent...who just lost his commission on the 100 million dollars too....I'd be saying to him "y'know the Lakers betrayed your interests just as much as the mavericks did here. The Lakers made out like bandits at YOUR expense by conducting these secret negotiations. Play out the contract and then sign wherever you want to go. Teach them a lesson".

The Lakers can't pay him anything more than the other teams. And the other teams didn't betray his interests.

Man it would be such sweet justice to watch the Lakers lose doncic for nothing. If he doesn't sign an extension....watch for him to have "back pain" next season so that the Lakers can't even flip him as a deadline rental.

I think it’s just as likely that their corporate overlords were pissed that they didn’t get to build a casino or move the team to Vegas.

Luka also bears some responsibility for the trade since he has been a poorly conditioned player who relies on his otherworldly skill.

Other than that, I can buy into the vengeful narrative on Niko’s behalf. In most business contexts, if a company had a primadonna who was pissing the owners off and could be moved for a comparable talent who is a better fit for company culture he’d be cut in a second. Then again, sports is part business/part religion so it doesn’t always add up that way.

[ConSarnit]

A lot of people talking about how bad the Siakam trade is compared to this, and while I agree that it definitely makes it worse, the real star of this?

How much worse that Luka trade looks knowing that THIS is what Bane pulled from ORL. Insanity.

There's a rational explanation for the Luka trade that Noone seems to want to listen to:

The mavs wanted to trade luka but he was NEVER GONNA LET THAT HAPPEN because it costs him 100 million dollars.

So if they put him on the market....Luka's agent would have simply said: if you trade for luka...he will not resign for your team. Which means all trade offers for luka on an open market would have been 18 month rental packages. Even if Dallas had asked luka for a preferential destination....he would've refused to give them one. Players and player agents don't just give up on 100 million dollars.

So the trade had to be made in secrecy so that luka couldn't do that. But the only way to maintain the secrecy is to pick ONE team and only deal with them (which also lowers the value of the package).

But AD plus a FRP is more than they would've got from a team looking to rent luka for 18 months. In addition....they'd be renting that player after being specifically told by him that he doesn't want to play for you. So it's a reluctant and unmotivated 18 month rental with a massive chip on his shoulder directed at your front office.

I am extremely interested in luka's extension talks this summer. Because if I was agent...who just lost his commission on the 100 million dollars too....I'd be saying to him "y'know the Lakers betrayed your interests just as much as the mavericks did here. The Lakers made out like bandits at YOUR expense by conducting these secret negotiations. Play out the contract and then sign wherever you want to go. Teach them a lesson".

The Lakers can't pay him anything more than the other teams. And the other teams didn't betray his interests.

Man it would be such sweet justice to watch the Lakers lose doncic for nothing. If he doesn't sign an extension....watch for him to have "back pain" next season so that the Lakers can't even flip him as a deadline rental.

I mean, where to even start with your argument?

Pelinka: “I’m glad we made our negotiations public so we got to pay Dallas more. Sorry Luka, I know you probably wanted a good team around you but we had to give up all our assets when we made our negotiations public so now our team building strategies are limited.”

Surely you must see how braindead dumb it would have been for the Lakers to make their negotiations with Nico public?

[ConSarnit]

Knicks and Magic ruining the trade market, giving 4-5 FRPs for a role player....this amount of picks should only be used to trade for a superstar player.

It’s not just the Knicks and the Magic. These trades are now the status quo. Outside of the insane Luka trade every big name player traded recently has been met with an “oh my god” reaction.

PG3
AD
Gobert
Mitchell
KD
Bridges
Bane

The reaction after all of these trades was “wow that’s an overpay”

The only guys who go for “cheap” are expiring guys. If you are trading a borderline all-star (or better) player who has multiple years left on their deal you are getting a massive haul. That’s just the way things work now.

The PG trade started a new trend that has been snowballing for years.