2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9

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The lack of self creation for Bryant is concerning

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The lack of self creation for Bryant is concerning

Thats exactly why i am very very cold on him as a prospect compared to everyone who wants him so bad....The biggest red flags for me....His stats for one....His lack of rim finishing or getting to the rim off the dribble....Lack of FT attempts....And his shot creation is one of the worst as well....

With the 9th pick you can't be picking a player who has that limited shot creation skills ....3&D role players are fine to get but not this high in the draft ....you can get these kind of players late first round....You need to draft a player with more upside and more dynamics all around as a player.

[djsunyc]

A reminder that we once drafted Malachi Flynn instead of Bane. I had both on my top 3 board for our pick that year but sadly put Flynn one spot higher due to need/fit.

it was the covid draft so all teams get a mulligan imho.

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The lack of self creation for Bryant is concerning

Thats exactly why i am very very cold on him as a prospect compared to everyone who wants him so bad....The biggest red flags for me....His stats for one....His lack of rim finishing or getting to the rim off the dribble....Lack of FT attempts....And his shot creation is one of the worst as well....

With the 9th pick you can't be picking a player who has that limited shot creation skills ....3&D role players are fine to get but not this high in the draft ....you can get these kind of players late first round....You need to draft a player with more upside and more dynamics all around as a player.

Highest potential at 9 is going to be Queen unless someone else takes him before us. Then I'd be okay with any of the remaining players.

Flagg, Harper, Edgecombe, Bailey, Johnson, Fears, Knueppel, Maluach, and Queen.

He's kind of becoming the obvious choice there. In terms of self creation he looks like he'll have what we need but it'll mean our defense will struggle to ever be top 5 in the league.

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The lack of self creation for Bryant is concerning

Thats exactly why i am very very cold on him as a prospect compared to everyone who wants him so bad....The biggest red flags for me....His stats for one....His lack of rim finishing or getting to the rim off the dribble....Lack of FT attempts....And his shot creation is one of the worst as well....

With the 9th pick you can't be picking a player who has that limited shot creation skills ....3&D role players are fine to get but not this high in the draft ....you can get these kind of players late first round....You need to draft a player with more upside and more dynamics all around as a player.

I said the same thing a few days ago and Boyz started barking at me like a mad dog

If he can reach the level of a more athletic Ochai, it's not even a bad player..but strategically, you just try to go for better upside, especially in a deep draft.

[Clutch0z24]

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The lack of self creation for Bryant is concerning

Thats exactly why i am very very cold on him as a prospect compared to everyone who wants him so bad....The biggest red flags for me....His stats for one....His lack of rim finishing or getting to the rim off the dribble....Lack of FT attempts....And his shot creation is one of the worst as well....

With the 9th pick you can't be picking a player who has that limited shot creation skills ....3&D role players are fine to get but not this high in the draft ....you can get these kind of players late first round....You need to draft a player with more upside and more dynamics all around as a player.

Highest potential at 9 is going to be Queen unless someone else takes him before us. Then I'd be okay with any of the remaining players.

Flagg, Harper, Edgecombe, Bailey, Johnson, Fears, Knueppel, Maluach, and Queen.

He's kind of becoming the obvious choice there. In terms of self creation he looks like he'll have what we need but it'll mean our defense will struggle to ever be top 5 in the league.

Yeah thats my list as well....At 9 always go with the highest upside player instead of a safe pick who has role player upside at best.....I was one of Maluach biggest critics early on but even i can admit he has a higher upside than alot of these prospects....Him hitting that upside is another question but at 9 you have to trust Raptors development there...

Can put Noa Essengue/Coward on that list as well but even they don't steer me away from that top 9 list for me.

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Who is the top guy on your board that you would be upset if we passed on? The guy has to realistically be an option to fall (let’s eliminate Flagg, Harper, Edgecomb from this exercise as I can’t realistically see those guys falling).

I think for me it’s probably Bailey. I could understand why - but I think his talent is too good to pass up.

Tre Johnson.

I could see team take Queen, Maluach, Fears, Jaku and Essengue for some reason.

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our only hope for this core is drafting Malauch and him becoming WAY better then most think he will be.

We basically need to hit a homerun with this pick and thats probably our only hope that Malauch falls and Masai develops him into some type of baby/poor man's Embiid

which would still be high impact on both ends, all-star center at some point.

KM... uggh. I'd rather have Edey. Someone should create a KM or Edey poll.

And now that Memphis raped Orlando with four FRPs and a swap for Bane, maybe we should be calling them up to see if we can pry Edey from them.

#16, Edey and salary for RJ Barrett. It solves all of our problems and makes them look like geniuses.
I'm not saying RJ is as good as Bane, because lets face it, Bane is a better creator/defender.... but RJ had more PPG, RPG and APG then Bane last year, and he's taller and younger as well.

Memphis could trade Edey and #16 (plus filler) for RJ, and pocket the other three FRPs and the swap from Orlando, and barely have a step down in production with RJ taking his place.

KCP, Edey and #16 for RJ. Salaries even match.

Masai, get them on the phone quick...

RJ for Edey and salary filler is all that's needed.

[Thaddy]

Thats exactly why i am very very cold on him as a prospect compared to everyone who wants him so bad....The biggest red flags for me....His stats for one....His lack of rim finishing or getting to the rim off the dribble....Lack of FT attempts....And his shot creation is one of the worst as well....

With the 9th pick you can't be picking a player who has that limited shot creation skills ....3&D role players are fine to get but not this high in the draft ....you can get these kind of players late first round....You need to draft a player with more upside and more dynamics all around as a player.

Highest potential at 9 is going to be Queen unless someone else takes him before us. Then I'd be okay with any of the remaining players.

Flagg, Harper, Edgecombe, Bailey, Johnson, Fears, Knueppel, Maluach, and Queen.

He's kind of becoming the obvious choice there. In terms of self creation he looks like he'll have what we need but it'll mean our defense will struggle to ever be top 5 in the league.

Yeah thats my list as well....At 9 always go with the highest upside player instead of a safe pick who has role player upside at best.....I was one of Maluach biggest critics early on but even i can admit he has a higher upside than alot of these prospects....Him hitting that upside is another question but at 9 you have to trust Raptors development there...

Can put Noa Essengue/Coward on that list as well but even they don't steer me away from that top 9 list for me.

I have Queen over Essengue because neither of their shots are guaranteed to develop. At least Queen can get to the rim, has a nice feel on offense, and he'll be able to post up. If Essengue can't shoot his only way to score is in transition

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The lack of self creation for Bryant is concerning

Thats exactly why i am very very cold on him as a prospect compared to everyone who wants him so bad....The biggest red flags for me....His stats for one....His lack of rim finishing or getting to the rim off the dribble....Lack of FT attempts....And his shot creation is one of the worst as well....

With the 9th pick you can't be picking a player who has that limited shot creation skills ....3&D role players are fine to get but not this high in the draft ....you can get these kind of players late first round....You need to draft a player with more upside and more dynamics all around as a player.

I said the same thing a few days ago and Boyz started barking at me like a mad dog

If he can reach the level of a more athletic Ochai, it's not even a bad player..but strategically, you just try to go for better upside, especially in a deep draft.

Well everyone has their favs and Carter Bryant on the highlights does do some eye popping stuff....And when people here have their favs you can't convince them other wise...And when its a large group that want a certain player they tend to be louder than anyone who has legit concerns and calls them out on them concerns...

"Concerns. Shot creation: Lacks the advanced handle to generate his own looks, and he's even limited doing the basic stuff like attacking closeouts. He loses control of the ball too often and makes sloppy passes."

" Carter Bryant has been described as inconsistent, particularly during his freshman season at Arizona. While his advanced stats show he was a positive impact player, his on-court performance was marked by stretches of unforced errors and questionable shot selection."

These are quotes on his scouting report as his weaknesses....Which concerns me as a 9th pick.....I watched games of his and he has stretches where he looks like a top pick, And then he has bad moments and no where to be found on the court which makes him look like a bad pick....

If i had to describe it as one person we are all familiar with its Terrence Ross....We all remember how Ross could look like one of the smoothest players for stretches and then has some of the worst stretches where he looks like a bonehead....Thats how i would describe it with Carter Bryant...

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A reminder that we once drafted Malachi Flynn instead of Bane. I had both on my top 3 board for our pick that year but sadly put Flynn one spot higher due to need/fit.

I fought internally not to mention it. But just the past two weeks one story about Flynn being out of the NBA while Bane is fetching four firsts. It was a strange decision at the time. I think I remember Bane even praising Toronto player development prior to the draft.

I was 100% all in on Bane, even posting stories about his grandparents raising him.

[Clutch0z24]

Highest potential at 9 is going to be Queen unless someone else takes him before us. Then I'd be okay with any of the remaining players.

Flagg, Harper, Edgecombe, Bailey, Johnson, Fears, Knueppel, Maluach, and Queen.

He's kind of becoming the obvious choice there. In terms of self creation he looks like he'll have what we need but it'll mean our defense will struggle to ever be top 5 in the league.

Yeah thats my list as well....At 9 always go with the highest upside player instead of a safe pick who has role player upside at best.....I was one of Maluach biggest critics early on but even i can admit he has a higher upside than alot of these prospects....Him hitting that upside is another question but at 9 you have to trust Raptors development there...

Can put Noa Essengue/Coward on that list as well but even they don't steer me away from that top 9 list for me.

I have Queen over Essengue because neither of their shots are guaranteed to develop. At least Queen can get to the rim, has a nice feel on offense, and he'll be able to post up. If Essengue can't shoot his only way to score is in transition

Fair to say....My concern with Essengue is the league hes playing in....The BBL has worse Athletes than the NCAA....Smaller players as well....Noa is always noticably taller than everyone he plays against....If he struggles to get to the rim against bigger stronger NBA defenders because he is so thin....That could be a problem since he lacks overall basketball skill....He won't tower over everyone in the NBA like he does in the BBL which might take away some advantages he has in that league....

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Thats exactly why i am very very cold on him as a prospect compared to everyone who wants him so bad....The biggest red flags for me....His stats for one....His lack of rim finishing or getting to the rim off the dribble....Lack of FT attempts....And his shot creation is one of the worst as well....

With the 9th pick you can't be picking a player who has that limited shot creation skills ....3&D role players are fine to get but not this high in the draft ....you can get these kind of players late first round....You need to draft a player with more upside and more dynamics all around as a player.

I said the same thing a few days ago and Boyz started barking at me like a mad dog

If he can reach the level of a more athletic Ochai, it's not even a bad player..but strategically, you just try to go for better upside, especially in a deep draft.

Well everyone has their favs and Carter Bryant on the highlights does do some eye popping stuff....And when people here have their favs you can't convince them other wise...And when its a large group that want a certain player they tend to be louder than anyone who has legit concerns and calls them out on them concerns...

"Concerns. Shot creation: Lacks the advanced handle to generate his own looks, and he's even limited doing the basic stuff like attacking closeouts. He loses control of the ball too often and makes sloppy passes."

" Carter Bryant has been described as inconsistent, particularly during his freshman season at Arizona. While his advanced stats show he was a positive impact player, his on-court performance was marked by stretches of unforced errors and questionable shot selection."

These are quotes on his scouting report as his weaknesses....Which concerns me as a 9th pick.....I watched games of his and he has stretches where he looks like a top pick, And then he has bad moments and no where to be found on the court which makes him look like a bad pick....

If i had to describe it as one person we are all familiar with its Terrence Ross....We all remember how Ross could look like one of the smoothest players for stretches and then has some of the worst stretches where he looks like a bonehead....Thats how i would describe it with Carter Bryant...

More often that not, I'd be happy to get my faves: Bane, Walker Kessler, Jalen Johnson, Franz Wagner, Christian Braun, Mobley, Nikola Jovic, Cason Wallace, Bub Carrington, Jaylin Williams,

Some were misses: Cassius Stanley, Sidy Cissoko

[Grew]

Thats exactly why i am very very cold on him as a prospect compared to everyone who wants him so bad....The biggest red flags for me....His stats for one....His lack of rim finishing or getting to the rim off the dribble....Lack of FT attempts....And his shot creation is one of the worst as well....

With the 9th pick you can't be picking a player who has that limited shot creation skills ....3&D role players are fine to get but not this high in the draft ....you can get these kind of players late first round....You need to draft a player with more upside and more dynamics all around as a player.

I said the same thing a few days ago and Boyz started barking at me like a mad dog

If he can reach the level of a more athletic Ochai, it's not even a bad player..but strategically, you just try to go for better upside, especially in a deep draft.

Well everyone has their favs and Carter Bryant on the highlights does do some eye popping stuff....And when people here have their favs you can't convince them other wise...And when its a large group that want a certain player they tend to be louder than anyone who has legit concerns and calls them out on them concerns...

"Concerns. Shot creation: Lacks the advanced handle to generate his own looks, and he's even limited doing the basic stuff like attacking closeouts. He loses control of the ball too often and makes sloppy passes."

" Carter Bryant has been described as inconsistent, particularly during his freshman season at Arizona. While his advanced stats show he was a positive impact player, his on-court performance was marked by stretches of unforced errors and questionable shot selection."

These are quotes on his scouting report as his weaknesses....Which concerns me as a 9th pick.....I watched games of his and he has stretches where he looks like a top pick, And then he has bad moments and no where to be found on the court which makes him look like a bad pick....

If i had to describe it as one person we are all familiar with its Terrence Ross....We all remember how Ross could look like one of the smoothest players for stretches and then has some of the worst stretches where he looks like a bonehead....Thats how i would describe it with Carter Bryant...

TRoss didn't have any ambition to get any better. Carter at least says what you would like to hear. Coaches son too. I think he has potential to add to his game, I think that's what the people who like him see. Big Ochai is a floor. Guy says he wants to be one of the best players in the league in 4 or 5 years.

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The lack of self creation for Bryant is concerning

Thats exactly why i am very very cold on him as a prospect compared to everyone who wants him so bad....The biggest red flags for me....His stats for one....His lack of rim finishing or getting to the rim off the dribble....Lack of FT attempts....And his shot creation is one of the worst as well....

With the 9th pick you can't be picking a player who has that limited shot creation skills ....3&D role players are fine to get but not this high in the draft ....you can get these kind of players late first round....You need to draft a player with more upside and more dynamics all around as a player.

Highest potential at 9 is going to be Queen unless someone else takes him before us. Then I'd be okay with any of the remaining players.

Flagg, Harper, Edgecombe, Bailey, Johnson, Fears, Knueppel, Maluach, and Queen.

He's kind of becoming the obvious choice there. In terms of self creation he looks like he'll have what we need but it'll mean our defense will struggle to ever be top 5 in the league.

Not even close. Queen is not close to obvious for any team. his range goes from like 6 to 16. Fears is another guy who has a huge range as well as. Rest of your list is solid, but I bet two of CMB, Bryant, Noa go before Queen

[RoteSchroder]

I said the same thing a few days ago and Boyz started barking at me like a mad dog

If he can reach the level of a more athletic Ochai, it's not even a bad player..but strategically, you just try to go for better upside, especially in a deep draft.

Well everyone has their favs and Carter Bryant on the highlights does do some eye popping stuff....And when people here have their favs you can't convince them other wise...And when its a large group that want a certain player they tend to be louder than anyone who has legit concerns and calls them out on them concerns...

"Concerns. Shot creation: Lacks the advanced handle to generate his own looks, and he's even limited doing the basic stuff like attacking closeouts. He loses control of the ball too often and makes sloppy passes."

" Carter Bryant has been described as inconsistent, particularly during his freshman season at Arizona. While his advanced stats show he was a positive impact player, his on-court performance was marked by stretches of unforced errors and questionable shot selection."

These are quotes on his scouting report as his weaknesses....Which concerns me as a 9th pick.....I watched games of his and he has stretches where he looks like a top pick, And then he has bad moments and no where to be found on the court which makes him look like a bad pick....

If i had to describe it as one person we are all familiar with its Terrence Ross....We all remember how Ross could look like one of the smoothest players for stretches and then has some of the worst stretches where he looks like a bonehead....Thats how i would describe it with Carter Bryant...

TRoss didn't have any ambition to get any better. Carter at least says what you would like to hear. Coaches son too. I think he has potential to add to his game, I think that's what the people who like him see. Big Ochai is a floor. Guy says he wants to be one of the best players in the league in 4 or 5 years.

Caboclo also said that though

Lane agility: Ochai > CB > Ross
Shuttle run: Ochai > CB (Ross N/A) (negligible difference)
3/4 sprint: CB > Ochai > Ross
Max vertical: Ochai > CB > Ross
Standing vert: Ochai > Ross > CB (~1 inch difference between each)

Interestingly, Ochai's a pretty solid athlete..a whopping max vert of 41.5"...although neither his or CB's shuttle run was that great. CB also has 2 inches on Ochai's standing reach.

[Mark_83]

More often that not, I'd be happy to get my faves: Bane, Walker Kessler, Jalen Johnson, Franz Wagner, Christian Braun, Mobley, Nikola Jovic, Cason Wallace, Bub Carrington, Jaylin Williams,

Some were misses: Cassius Stanley, Sidy Cissoko

This will be a fun thread to return to in a few years. Unfortunately some posters will have created new accounts to wipe their record. Right or wrong I've been owning my bad takes since 2008.

[RoteSchroder]

Thats exactly why i am very very cold on him as a prospect compared to everyone who wants him so bad....The biggest red flags for me....His stats for one....His lack of rim finishing or getting to the rim off the dribble....Lack of FT attempts....And his shot creation is one of the worst as well....

With the 9th pick you can't be picking a player who has that limited shot creation skills ....3&D role players are fine to get but not this high in the draft ....you can get these kind of players late first round....You need to draft a player with more upside and more dynamics all around as a player.

Highest potential at 9 is going to be Queen unless someone else takes him before us. Then I'd be okay with any of the remaining players.

Flagg, Harper, Edgecombe, Bailey, Johnson, Fears, Knueppel, Maluach, and Queen.

He's kind of becoming the obvious choice there. In terms of self creation he looks like he'll have what we need but it'll mean our defense will struggle to ever be top 5 in the league.

Not even close. Queen is not close to obvious for any team. his range goes from like 6 to 16. Fears is another guy who has a huge range as well as. Rest of your list is solid, but I bet two of CMB, Bryant, Noa go before Queen

Queen and Wizards are a really good fit. Sarr is mobile and can help block shots. Queen can play some post-D and be a creator + draw attention on O, freeing up their other players who are worse shot creators. Wizards fans also like Queen..just gotta get their organization to buy into this vision and take him at 6.

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More often that not, I'd be happy to get my faves: Bane, Walker Kessler, Jalen Johnson, Franz Wagner, Christian Braun, Mobley, Nikola Jovic, Cason Wallace, Bub Carrington, Jaylin Williams,

Some were misses: Cassius Stanley, Sidy Cissoko

This will be a fun thread to return to in a few years. Unfortunately some posters will have created new accounts to wipe the record. Right or wrong I've been owning my bad takes since 2008.

Kendall Brown!!!

[Mark_83]

More often that not, I'd be happy to get my faves: Bane, Walker Kessler, Jalen Johnson, Franz Wagner, Christian Braun, Mobley, Nikola Jovic, Cason Wallace, Bub Carrington, Jaylin Williams,

Some were misses: Cassius Stanley, Sidy Cissoko

This will be a fun thread to return to in a few years. Unfortunately some posters will have created new accounts to wipe the record. Right or wrong I've been owning my bad takes since 2008.

Kendall Brown!!!

I missed badly on JV, Poeltl, and Siakam embarrassingly. Like full on meltdown embarrassing. Remember that No Lillard guy? His entire identity was convincing us that Lillard would be a bust. He's probably still around albeit with a shiny new account.