Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap

[HMFFL]

AD should definitely go. I'd like to keep Kyrie because we'd still need some vets and he seems to be really loved in the locker room. I never wanted to sign Klay, but if we did a trade with Detroit where we sent them AD and got Ivey and picks, I'm OK with keeping klay for one more seas.plus he and Ky are tight.

But AD must go. Get rid of Martin and Hardy while you are at it

I like Kyrie too but there is the potential that he could have the worst contract in the league if he doesn't come back fully healthy.

I'd be much more comfortable if Nico would just focus on building around Flagg and acquire as many picks and young players w/potential as possible using AD, Kyrie and Klay.

This team will win a championship without Kyrie, Klay and AD before it will win one with them.
Their best days are definitely behind them, but they are or will be getting paid like their best days are ahead.
I've got a big problem with rewarding players for what they have done in the past for other teams.
Not a recipe for success imo.

I don’t see any reason why we should think that Kyrie won’t come back from a torn ACL and still be very good to great. Players come back from ACL injuries all the time and Kyrie takes very good care of his body.

I do understand though that there is risk because of his age. That’s why I’m hoping they can get Kyrie to sign for less than $40M for 3 years (2+P1). That would be their window for a championship with Kyrie. At that point Cooper Flagg will be 20-21 years old and if they haven’t won a title they move on from Kyrie. Hopefully they will move on from AD for draft picks and young talent but we’ll see about that.

Kyrie certainly can be here long-term. I personally have felt that he may want to leave but time will tell. If he really does like the Dallas area, Nico, and Cooper Flagg, we're set at the point for a few seasons.

[arkuo]

Damn. I really wanted Desmond Bane.

But he just went for KCP, Cole Anthony and 4 unprotected picks. Too much IMO. Good deal for Memphis.

[41Dirk41]

Damn. I really wanted Desmond Bane.

But he just went for KCP, Cole Anthony and 4 unprotected picks. Too much IMO. Good deal for Memphis.

Way more than Luka Doncic

[daoneandonly]

Damn. I really wanted Desmond Bane.

But he just went for KCP, Cole Anthony and 4 unprotected picks. Too much IMO. Good deal for Memphis.

Way more than Luka Doncic

And yet Nico still has a job

[joesha1698]

Derrick White for Daniel Gafford and Max Christie

I'd do this.

I wouldn't.

[Maverick41]

Maybe Cole Anthony is more attainable since MEM has more cap flexibility and they don't need him. Something around:

DAL receives: Cole Anthony
MEM receives: Hardy + Martin

Not really a Cole Anthony fan but I can see this one making some sense. Maybe have to toss in a SRP.

[psman2]

Maybe Cole Anthony is more attainable since MEM has more cap flexibility and they don't need him. Something around:

DAL receives: Cole Anthony
MEM receives: Hardy + Martin

Not really a Cole Anthony fan but I can see this one making some sense. Maybe have to toss in a SRP.

Memphis rather keep Cole since we need a 6th man. But more than likely we are going to try to spin him off for immediate cap savings to redo JJJ contract.

[Darren]

Bane trades tell the obvious, you can't keep 3 super max contract and hope to build a deep competitive team. Memphis opts to Morant and JJJ. The hard cap situation is tough for every team unless you have 7-8 starters on rookie terms with a wealthy owner who's willing to pay them all. Or else, you are right there to pay 2 max guys and trade the likes of Luka away. The obvious truth is that your owner do not want to pay the tax. That's the truth.

[Darren]

Yet, do not severely overpay aging 8stars who could repeat the PG or Beal situation.

[Darren]

I think the Bane trade is the warning to teams trying to trade for Jrue. You can't build a team with incompetent players taking significant among from the salary cap. Jrue could be the next Kris Middleton falling off cliff. It's quite clear to me now. Only Flagg could get the supermax. Think carefully about the amount for the rest of the team. This is no longer the case that random Reaves or Kuzma getting max out. Servible players get around Aaron Gordon's or Andrew Wiggins contract. Stick with a deep team.

[Darren]

I will not trade Gafford for Reaves. Don't do something like Orlando unless it's for the final piece of the puzzle.

[Darren]

I think KD is still available with a low-ball offer. Aging stars are not heavy gone after with these days. The more appealing part of the KD trade scenario is to dump salary on rebuilding team. I expect SAS to be forerunner for KD. I don't think Phoenix wants Gobert in return. I think Giannis stay in Milwaukee. LAL is forced to overpay for any quality big. To me, I'd do AD for Lebron trade without significant piece involved. LA gets the big they wanted. Unlike KD, Lebron makes players around better. You just look at the likes of Caruso, Zubac and so on excel leaving LA. You get the clue. Lebron has huge talent in developing talents. Maybe a great coaching staff at some point after retirement. I can't say the same about KD.

[arkuo]

Memphis thinks Silver would give them the first pick if they help Orlando get some talent. That's cute. It only works if you help the Lakers, fellas.

[Michaellam1987]

Maybe Cole Anthony is more attainable since MEM has more cap flexibility and they don't need him. Something around:

DAL receives: Cole Anthony
MEM receives: Hardy + Martin

Not really a Cole Anthony fan but I can see this one making some sense. Maybe have to toss in a SRP.

Memphis rather keep Cole since we need a 6th man. But more than likely we are going to try to spin him off for immediate cap savings to redo JJJ contract.

Actually I don't watch too much of Cole Anthony, but I see his playing time continue to decrease every year. Any fellow DAL fan watched him enough, and have a clue?

[Darren]

Maybe Cole Anthony is more attainable since MEM has more cap flexibility and they don't need him. Something around:

DAL receives: Cole Anthony
MEM receives: Hardy + Martin

Not really a Cole Anthony fan but I can see this one making some sense. Maybe have to toss in a SRP.

Memphis rather keep Cole since we need a 6th man. But more than likely we are going to try to spin him off for immediate cap savings to redo JJJ contract.

Actually I don't watch too much of Cole Anthony, but I see his playing time continue to decrease every year. Any fellow DAL fan watched him enough, and have a clue?

Anthony is 6-1; it's impossible to play alongside Kyrie. Brandon Williams plays better than Anthony. Westbrook has opted out. I can see the Mavs looking to pick him up. Westbrook can guard more positions and is playoff-tested. As CP3 is more likely to go back to LA, I don't mind having Westbrook around.

[Archx]

Or else, you are right there to pay 2 max guys and trade the likes of Luka away. The obvious truth is that your owner do not want to pay the tax. That's the truth.

You don't trade away "the likes of Luka". That's absolutely ridiculous. And i thought people are aware by now that he wasn't traded for tax and body shape purposes. Instead it's clear he was traded because he had too much power within the organization. Dumont has no clue how that works in the NBA and Nico just wanted to run the show. Just look at all the personnel Nico fired in only 2 seasons, he even pushed out Dirk and Cuban.

But anyway, having 2 max guys on the team is perfectly doable even with the new CBA. Just need some creativity on how you structure contracts around those guys. Funny thing is, if Nico wasn't a complete idiot, he could have just let Grimes walk and resigned Gafford with no issues. An emerging B.Williams would be perfectly enough for this roster to continue like it was.

[daoneandonly]

Never going to happen, but to no one's surprise, I want AD gone. Remember how I felt about Porzingis and Josh Green? Multiple that by 650,000, and that is how I feel about AD

AD/Hardy to Cleveland
Mobley/Okoro/Strus/2025 2nd/2031 FRP to Mavs

[Jg41]

Very few trades worth giving up future assets, but this one would check off enough boxes for me if doable:

DAL receives: D. Daniels / B. Klintman
ATL receives: D. Gafford / M. Christie / LAL ‘29 1st Via DAL / DAL ‘31 1st Unprotected / PHI ‘30 2nd Via DAL / DAL ‘32 2nd
DET receives: C. Martin / J. Hardy / Max Cash Considerations Via DAL / 22nd Pick Via ATL

ATL gets their starting center replacement for Capela and a young, affordable off-ball guard in Christie, along with future draft capital for another move. Detroit adds affordable depth allowing them to not overpay for guys like THJ and Beasley, while adding a 1st in this year’s deep draft (which they do not currently have).

This accomplishes virtually all of our secondary and tertiary goals this summer in one fell swoop. You shed 28 million (enough to sign Flagg, resign Kyrie, and open up the full MLE); addresses the need for a lead guard to run the offense while Kyrie rehabs—who also fits alongside him in the backcourt when he returns; nabs one of the top 5 POA defenders in the league (who happens to be 22 and alleviates any expectation for Cooper to be that guy out of the gate); and you resolve the minute/contractual front court conundrum posed by the Flagg/AD/Lively/PJ/Gafford quintet. Moreover, you lock in place a 22 and under Guard/Wing/Big trio of Daniels/Flagg/Lively that complements AD and Kyrie here and now, while being an extremely flexible two-way core to build around down the road.

Pre-Kyrie Return Depth Chart:

PG: Daniels (30) / Williams (15)
SG: Thompson (25) / Exum (15)
SF: Flagg (30) / Marshall (20) / Klintman
PF: Davis (35) / Washington (30) / Prosper
C: Lively (25) / Capela (15) / Powell

Playoff Depth Chart:

PG: Daniels (30) / Williams / Exum
SG: Kyrie (35) / Thompson (25)
SF: Flagg (30) / Marshall (20) / Klintman
PF: Davis (35) / Washington (30) / Prosper
C: Lively (25) / Capela (10) / Powell

Huge 9-man rotation that features Kyrie as the only player under 6-7. ATL obviously won’t actively look to move the 2025 MIP, but this package gives them adequate compensation to consider imo.

[daoneandonly]

Dyson Daniels isnt worth an unprotected pick and does nothing for our spacing concerns as he cant shoot a lick

[Jg41]

Very few trades worth giving up future assets, but this one would check off enough boxes for me if doable:

DAL receives: D. Daniels / B. Klintman
ATL receives: D. Gafford / M. Christie / LAL ‘29 1st Via DAL / DAL ‘31 1st Unprotected / PHI ‘30 2nd Via DAL / DAL ‘32 2nd
DET receives: C. Martin / J. Hardy / Max Cash Considerations Via DAL / 22nd Pick Via ATL

ATL gets their starting center replacement for Capela and a young, affordable off-ball guard in Christie, along with future draft capital for another move. Detroit adds affordable depth allowing them to not overpay for guys like THJ and Beasley, while adding a 1st in this year’s deep draft (which they do not currently have).

This accomplishes virtually all of our secondary and tertiary goals this summer in one fell swoop. You shed 28 million (enough to sign Flagg, resign Kyrie, and open up the full MLE); addresses the need for a lead guard to run the offense while Kyrie rehabs—who also fits alongside him in the backcourt when he returns; nabs one of the top 5 POA defenders in the league (who happens to be 22 and alleviates any expectation for Cooper to be that guy out of the gate); and you resolve the minute/contractual front court conundrum posed by the Flagg/AD/Lively/PJ/Gafford quintet. Moreover, you lock in place a 22 and under Guard/Wing/Big trio of Daniels/Flagg/Lively that complements AD and Kyrie here and now, while being an extremely flexible two-way core to build around down the road.

Pre-Kyrie Return Depth Chart:

PG: Daniels (30) / Williams (15)
SG: Thompson (25) / Exum (15)
SF: Flagg (30) / Marshall (20) / Klintman
PF: Davis (35) / Washington (30) / Prosper
C: Lively (25) / Capela (15) / Powell

Playoff Depth Chart:

PG: Daniels (30) / Williams / Exum
SG: Kyrie (35) / Thompson (25)
SF: Flagg (30) / Marshall (20) / Klintman
PF: Davis (35) / Washington (30) / Prosper
C: Lively (25) / Capela (10) / Powell

Huge 9-man rotation that features Kyrie as the only player under 6-7. ATL obviously won’t actively look to move the 2025 MIP, but this package gives them adequate compensation to consider imo.

Remaining moves:
Sign K. Irving to 3/126.4
Sign C. Capela to 4/60.7
Sign D. Exum to a 1 year minimum
Sign K. Jones to a 2 year minimum
Extend PJ to the max 4/89 to appease his bench role
Extend Daniels 4/112

25-26 Cap Hits:
Davis - 54,126,380
Irving - 40,000,000
Thompson - 16,666,667
Washington - 14,152,174
Capela - 14,105,000
Flagg - 13,825,920
Marshall - 9,000,000
Daniels - 7,707,709
Lively - 5,253,360
Powell - 4,000,000
Prosper - 3,007,080
Exum - 2,296,271
Jones - 2,296,271
Williams - 2,270,735
Klintman - 1,955,377

McGee - 2,208,856

Total: 192,871,800

26-27 Cap Hits:

Davis - 58,456,490
Irving - 43,200,000
Daniels - 25,000,000
Washington - 19,813,044
Thompson - 17,460,317
Capela - 14,810,250
Flagg - 14,517,480
Marshall - 9,428,571
Lively - 7,239,131
Prosper - 5,259,383
Jones - 2,411,090
Klintman - 2,296,271

McGee - 2,208,856

Total - 222,100,833 + ‘26 1st + (2) Empty Roster Spots
2nd Apron Projection ~ 228M