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Post#501 » by manlisten » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:38 am

Synciere wrote: They value picks more than established players bc every pick could turn into a Core All Star and on smaller contracts that’s how you supposedly build a team that can contend for years to come.



This. People hear "first round pick" and seem to subconsciously conflate that with "future hall of famer" with no discernment. The timing of this trade is also interesting as it comes just about a day after reports that a destination for KD is imminent and narrowed down to 2-3 teams. League execs likely have a fairly good idea what the Suns get back for him and can make an educated guess about the value of their upcoming draft pick. Orlando probably felt comfortable enough that it wouldn't be a top 5 pick so that mitigates some of the risk for them.
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Post#502 » by knicksfan974 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:41 am

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Synciere wrote: They value picks more than established players bc every pick could turn into a Core All Star and on smaller contracts that’s how you supposedly build a team that can contend for years to come.



This. People hear "first round pick" and seem to subconsciously conflate that with "future hall of famer" with no discernment. The timing of this trade is also interesting as it comes just about a day after reports that a destination for KD is imminent and narrowed down to 2-3 teams. League execs likely have a fairly good idea what the Suns get back for him and can make an educated guess about the value of their upcoming draft pick. Orlando probably felt comfortable enough that it wouldn't be a top 5 pick so that mitigates some of the risk for them.


Good point. The Magic must believe that KD will still get the Suns a package that will make Phoenix competitive, thus diminishing the value of the Suns '26 first round pick.
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Post#503 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:59 am

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Your whole GB fanbase cursed me out when I said KCP wouldn't be **** on the Magic. You already had players who did his job and better than he does, and I'm glad Orlando saw that and moved on because I like the team.


Really? A lot of us were just meh... we were hopeful for his reputed 3&D rep..m that sadly did not translate


Yeah. And even if it did translate, it doesn't really move the needle since it's just more of what you already had. You already had a KCP in Suggs, and Suggs is way better than him. So what's the point?

What you needed was point creation outside of Paolo and Franz. Now you got it.


If the Magic really need point creation so desperately it means Paolo and Franz are not good enough to build around.
They both play on ball, they are supposed to be creators, it makes sense to to have a big guard with defense and 3pt range next to them. The issue is that KCP has always been a low volume 3pt shooter, unlike Bane.
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Post#504 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:02 am

HoopsterJones wrote:Desmond Bane was drafted as 30th pick. He’s talented yes, but Grizzlies just flipped him for 4 FRPs and a pick swap. Jesus. The Magic must’ve really wanted him to the point the Grizzlies could not say no.

yeah, they should have traded for that Jokic guy. He was a 2nd round pick, they could have offered a top30 protected first for him.
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Post#505 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:10 am

When you are comparing trades you can’t just look at the picks, you must consider what are the matching salaries.
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Post#506 » by Wolveswin » Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:16 am

Banchero+ for Giannis still can work.

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Post#507 » by BigGargamel » Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:26 am

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JustBuzzin wrote:They could have got KD for much less than that offer smh


Bane is 12 years younger than Durant, signed long term, Orlando didn't have to trade any good players for him, Durant doesn't want to go to Orlando. This is easily a better move for that team.

Bane is 12 years younger and averaged 19 points.

At no point has Bane been thought of as the better player. If you take Bane over KD you just don't know basketball.


Point out where I said Bane was a better player than Durant.

Your reading comprehension is severely lacking if that's what you took away from my post.
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Post#508 » by Mad Guru » Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:49 am

I have thought about this trade for the last day.

The more I think about it, the more I like the trade for the Magic.

What other top 50 player in the NBA was available, that required ZERO good players in exchange?? I am not sure there was another player like that availabe.

This is one of the 10 best three point shooters in the NBA at volume over the last 5 years. So Orlando had exactly 1 GLARING weakness and they got a player that fills that vacuum and we are talking about late round draft picks 5 years from now as to why they shouldn't have gotten this guy?

Desmond Bane makes the Magic immediately and inarguably better instantly. He is also under contract control for the next 3 years and his contract was formed before the giant cap jumps.

This is a move I think people will look back on in 3 years and really change their minds on.
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Post#509 » by Dan Z » Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:58 am

I didn't know about this detail in the Bane trade until now. I often saw it reported that they traded the 2026 Phoenix pick, but it's actually a swap.

It can't be the #1 pick, but there's a good chance that it's in the lottery. It also means that Orlando will have a pick in the 2026 draft.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45518013/nba-trade-grades-2025-26-breaking-most-impactful-offseason-deals

As picks in a deal like this go, the Grizzlies got some with reasonable upside. In addition to this year's No. 16 pick -- higher than either of the two 2025 selections the Nets landed in the Bridges deal (No. 19 and No. 26) -- Memphis also moves higher in the pecking order for next year's Phoenix Suns first-rounder.

The Grizzlies already held swap rights with the Suns, but only after potential swaps with both the Wizards and Magic. Now, Memphis moves up a spot, ending up with the better of Orlando's 2026 first-rounder and the worse of ones belong to Phoenix and Washington. If both the Suns and Wizards miss the playoffs, the Grizzlies will yield a 2026 lottery pick from this trade.
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Post#510 » by Gus McCrae » Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:00 am

I like it for Orlando
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Post#511 » by Mk0 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:10 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:
Mk0 wrote:When a GM trades a sh#% load of picks like that it always feels like a 'F#%k the future" move in order to keep their job.

KCP was a bad contract and I think Cole Anthony makes like 10m a year for two more years. But that is a lot to pay when you don't have a starting PG on the team. Maybe they try to sign Tre Jones? He is a FA and an actual point guard.

I would judge this move depending on how they manage the starting PG slot. If they have the money and can get one in FA then it helps ease that price tag to bring in Bane and get off that KCP deal. I feel like Cole Anthony was fine as a 6th man and had handled his bench role well but I don't follow the Magic.
Even if they do hypothetically sign a PG which $35+ million guard are they bringing off the bench?

:lol: :lol: oh sh#% you are right, they would have to play Paulo at C if they wanted to slot Bane at SF and Franz at PF.

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Post#512 » by Mad Guru » Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:12 am

Dan Z wrote:I didn't know about this detail in the Bane trade until now. I often saw it reported that they traded the 2026 Phoenix pick, but it's actually a swap.

It can't be the #1 pick, but there's a good chance that it's in the lottery. It also means that Orlando will have a pick in the 2026 draft.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45518013/nba-trade-grades-2025-26-breaking-most-impactful-offseason-deals

As picks in a deal like this go, the Grizzlies got some with reasonable upside. In addition to this year's No. 16 pick -- higher than either of the two 2025 selections the Nets landed in the Bridges deal (No. 19 and No. 26) -- Memphis also moves higher in the pecking order for next year's Phoenix Suns first-rounder.

The Grizzlies already held swap rights with the Suns, but only after potential swaps with both the Wizards and Magic. Now, Memphis moves up a spot, ending up with the better of Orlando's 2026 first-rounder and the worse of ones belong to Phoenix and Washington. If both the Suns and Wizards miss the playoffs, the Grizzlies will yield a 2026 lottery pick from this trade.

So the way this trade backfires is if Phoenix and Washington win the lotto next year, which is possible.
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Post#513 » by Mad Guru » Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:14 am

Mk0 wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
Mk0 wrote:When a GM trades a sh#% load of picks like that it always feels like a 'F#%k the future" move in order to keep their job.

KCP was a bad contract and I think Cole Anthony makes like 10m a year for two more years. But that is a lot to pay when you don't have a starting PG on the team. Maybe they try to sign Tre Jones? He is a FA and an actual point guard.

I would judge this move depending on how they manage the starting PG slot. If they have the money and can get one in FA then it helps ease that price tag to bring in Bane and get off that KCP deal. I feel like Cole Anthony was fine as a 6th man and had handled his bench role well but I don't follow the Magic.
Even if they do hypothetically sign a PG which $35+ million guard are they bringing off the bench?

:lol: :lol: oh sh#% you are right, they would have to play Paulo at C if they wanted to slot Bane at SF and Franz at PF.

Well good thing that isn't my job!

That is easy, Suggs always in for defense and making sure he is in for 3 point shooting end of game possessions, without a center he is in, and they just run their offense however they want.
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Post#514 » by M2J » Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:20 am

I don't get so worked up about frp the way many of you do. this trade like the Knicks trade just means that this is how they plan to keep their team for a while. If they need to make moves. Then they will utilize the plus talent that's currently on the roster.

Just like the Minnesota and Rudy gobert trade which was a lot considering he is inconsistent.... They knew they could build around Anthony Edwards and the lottery May not be in their foreseeable future.

The magic has such a young core that it makes more sense for them than most teams to give up this many pic6s to finish it up

Also keep in mind that they needed to give something to get away from KCP's as well.
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Post#515 » by garrick » Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:36 am

The league should crack down on how many 1sts you can trade because moves like this can backfire massively like how it did for Phoenix.

If the league isn't going to ban trading like 4 or 5 firsts I would propose something like not being allowed to do pick swaps on your remaining picks like how Phoenix did for Beal.

Magic are gambling that they will be a good team the next 4-5 years but you just never know what will happen and it suck if the team implodes and they aren't able to rebuild via the draft.
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Post#516 » by pepe1991 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:47 am

Dan Z wrote:I didn't know about this detail in the Bane trade until now. I often saw it reported that they traded the 2026 Phoenix pick, but it's actually a swap.

It can't be the #1 pick, but there's a good chance that it's in the lottery. It also means that Orlando will have a pick in the 2026 draft.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45518013/nba-trade-grades-2025-26-breaking-most-impactful-offseason-deals

As picks in a deal like this go, the Grizzlies got some with reasonable upside. In addition to this year's No. 16 pick -- higher than either of the two 2025 selections the Nets landed in the Bridges deal (No. 19 and No. 26) -- Memphis also moves higher in the pecking order for next year's Phoenix Suns first-rounder.

The Grizzlies already held swap rights with the Suns, but only after potential swaps with both the Wizards and Magic. Now, Memphis moves up a spot, ending up with the better of Orlando's 2026 first-rounder and the worse of ones belong to Phoenix and Washington. If both the Suns and Wizards miss the playoffs, the Grizzlies will yield a 2026 lottery pick from this trade.


It can be 1# pick if Wizards strike out of top 8. Since Wizards pick is top 8 protected, if it falls out, it goes to Knicks, and in that case Grizzlies will have ability to swap first.
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Post#517 » by garrick » Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:55 am

Mad Guru wrote:
Dan Z wrote:I didn't know about this detail in the Bane trade until now. I often saw it reported that they traded the 2026 Phoenix pick, but it's actually a swap.

It can't be the #1 pick, but there's a good chance that it's in the lottery. It also means that Orlando will have a pick in the 2026 draft.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45518013/nba-trade-grades-2025-26-breaking-most-impactful-offseason-deals

As picks in a deal like this go, the Grizzlies got some with reasonable upside. In addition to this year's No. 16 pick -- higher than either of the two 2025 selections the Nets landed in the Bridges deal (No. 19 and No. 26) -- Memphis also moves higher in the pecking order for next year's Phoenix Suns first-rounder.

The Grizzlies already held swap rights with the Suns, but only after potential swaps with both the Wizards and Magic. Now, Memphis moves up a spot, ending up with the better of Orlando's 2026 first-rounder and the worse of ones belong to Phoenix and Washington. If both the Suns and Wizards miss the playoffs, the Grizzlies will yield a 2026 lottery pick from this trade.

So the way this trade backfires is if Phoenix and Washington win the lotto next year, which is possible.


With how tough the West is there's a very good chance Phoenix doesn't make it to the playoffs again next season. Obviously it depends what we can get back in a KD trade but I think whatever returns we get are going to be a disappointment.
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Post#518 » by Mad Guru » Mon Jun 16, 2025 7:10 am

garrick wrote:
Mad Guru wrote:
Dan Z wrote:I didn't know about this detail in the Bane trade until now. I often saw it reported that they traded the 2026 Phoenix pick, but it's actually a swap.

It can't be the #1 pick, but there's a good chance that it's in the lottery. It also means that Orlando will have a pick in the 2026 draft.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45518013/nba-trade-grades-2025-26-breaking-most-impactful-offseason-deals


So the way this trade backfires is if Phoenix and Washington win the lotto next year, which is possible.


With how tough the West is there's a very good chance Phoenix doesn't make it to the playoffs again next season. Obviously it depends what we can get back in a KD trade but I think whatever returns we get are going to be a disappointment.

The current conspiracy/scuttlebutt is that Jeff Weltman learned the returns of the KD trade and thought Phoenix would be better than average this year.
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Post#519 » by Dan Z » Mon Jun 16, 2025 7:17 am

pepe1991 wrote:
Dan Z wrote:I didn't know about this detail in the Bane trade until now. I often saw it reported that they traded the 2026 Phoenix pick, but it's actually a swap.

It can't be the #1 pick, but there's a good chance that it's in the lottery. It also means that Orlando will have a pick in the 2026 draft.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45518013/nba-trade-grades-2025-26-breaking-most-impactful-offseason-deals

As picks in a deal like this go, the Grizzlies got some with reasonable upside. In addition to this year's No. 16 pick -- higher than either of the two 2025 selections the Nets landed in the Bridges deal (No. 19 and No. 26) -- Memphis also moves higher in the pecking order for next year's Phoenix Suns first-rounder.

The Grizzlies already held swap rights with the Suns, but only after potential swaps with both the Wizards and Magic. Now, Memphis moves up a spot, ending up with the better of Orlando's 2026 first-rounder and the worse of ones belong to Phoenix and Washington. If both the Suns and Wizards miss the playoffs, the Grizzlies will yield a 2026 lottery pick from this trade.


It can be 1# pick if Wizards strike out of top 8. Since Wizards pick is top 8 protected, if it falls out, it goes to Knicks, and in that case Grizzlies will have ability to swap first.


It looks like Washington's pick is protected 1-10, but your point still stands.

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Post#520 » by pepe1991 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 7:18 am

Synciere wrote:
picc wrote:Every year fans surprise me with how appalled they are at good teams who just traded themselves into near-contenders giving up first round picks.

Like yeah, the Magic should have kept those picks because one of them could end up being as good as... Desmond Bane? :-?

What do you guys think the point of basketball is? To hoard coinflip low first-round picks? The 20th pick in the draft isn't gonna do jack ish to help Orlando get to the ECF, but Desmond **** Bane might.


Agreed.

Most fans can’t relate to players bc they weren’t anywhere near as good as them. But people can be smart enough to be in a front office, so they can relate easier to the executives. Superfans like us who post on a Site called Realgm probably have that complex as well. So they look at team building and think of you have a bunch of ‘assets’ you’ll always have a chance to make moves to be better and build a contender. They value picks more than established players bc every pick could turn into a Core All Star and on smaller contracts that’s how you supposedly build a team that can contend for years to come.

What people can’t seem to get their heads around is that Orlando has already done that. They have two REALLY good young guys in Franz and Pablo that they got high in the lottery. Their picks are never going to be high in the lottery again if those guys are healthy. They have to hope they strike it big with late firsts and find another Bane, who they’ll have to wait three or four years to turn into that player. Getting him now, already signed long term, with his prime years ahead is very valuable. Losing the Suns pick hurts but there’s no guarantee they’ll be bad either, especially since they have no reason to tank for other teams. Like the Rams, man f*** them picks! They’re going for it now, and I tip my hat to every team hustling hard to win a chip.


I hear what you say, and there is some validity in it, but i still don't really agree with mind process. Gobert, Mikal, Bane. All those deals are bad. Just because teams repeat same mistake, it does not make it less of an mistake.


It was like when salary cap went up and every fool under a Sun was burning money on backup Cs just to use new salary pocket.
So over span of single season you got:
Biyombo on $17M a year
Ian Mahinmi 4 years $64M contract
Mozgov contract
Carroll 4 years $58M
Fournier 4 years $85M
Mike Conley veteran max
Horford 4 years $113M
Brad Beal 5 years vet max
Batum max
Bezmore outrage contract

And guess what? Herd mentality "they did it, that makes it good" was pretty much dagger for all those teams in terms of flexibility. Like my mother always told me when 8 years old me said " but mom friends did it too" , she would reply "if they jump off building would you too" ?

Trading picks 3-4-5 years in advance is simply dumb because whole bunch of things happen and change in that time frame.
Look at 2021 standings: Suns, Nets, Jezz and 76ers held top 2 records in their conference.
Look where their picks landed in 2025: 3#, 5#, 7#, 10#. All top 10 in lottery. How royally screwed all those teams would be if they were giving up unprotected picks back then?

Trading 4 unprotected picks for player that isn't top 10-15 player in his prime is just flat out silly.

You say those picks won't be high. Magic own pick was 16# pick this year, being 1-2 losses away from lottery. On East.


Magic pretty much gutted all their assets and still didn't solve their biggest position of need- point guard.
And their C lineup is paper tin: injury prone Wendell, injury prone Isaac ( who isn't C to being with) and Goga. PF depth is Isaac. SF depth is TDS who was not even used in playoffs (neither did Goga). Guard depth are Jett Howard ( red shirted for two years) and Black ( closer to SF than guard).

Goga and Moe have team options worth $18M, Moe has ACL tear and won't return up until at some point in Feb. or March.


I agree with your take that fans overvalue picks in some mystery box syndrome. But 4 unprotected picks for player that isn't even top 20 player ( not even close tbh ) , to a team that didn't pass first round of playoffs with current core , on team that already has SG but has no PG is some knee jerk reaction to crappy playoffs and rushing decision before you asses who else is available.

This type of deal is what Magic should have offered to Dončić or Booker or Maxey or Jamal Murray.
It's not type of trade you go get third best player on team that got historically waxed in first round against true contender, where he couldn't dribble the ball in front of Caruso. And who only "run PG " on 27-55 team on 30# ranked offense, and drive home conclusion " yea, he can play PG".
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