Noa Essengue

[clyde21]

his w/s was always gonna be crap because of his narrow shoulders

[EvanZ]

Why is he ahead of Beringer?

[babyjax13]

Why is he ahead of Beringer?

I think people see Essengue as someone who can dribble + drive, and who has a developing shot and assume his offensive ceiling is higher than Beringer's since he is a rim-runner. I think Essengue will have to be pretty good to have a higher offensive ceiling than a rim-running center, though. I think it is a reasonable gamble, I'd take Essengue, but I don't think it is a huge difference.

[JMAC3]

He is landing spot specific for me, needs a creative coach to get him on the floor because to me he is a guy that probably needs to play on the wing but he has more big man skills. If his role is too rigid I think he will fail because he doesn’t fit into traditional boxes.

[Catchall]

Looks like Noa Essengue got officially measured. He's grown an inch, added 10 lbs and added nearly 2 inches to his wingspan since his measurements from more than a year ago at Basketball Without Borders. Standing reach seemingly has gone down an inch or so in this measurement. It was measured at 9'3" before. His hands are also big, if that matters.

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Idk the measurements are just okay to me, he is tall yes, but his wingspan isn't all that much of a plus for a player his size tend to be. Also, he is very light. For instance Ace Bailey has the same wingspan, same weight despite being 2.5 shorter

This is what Anthony Davis looked like at the same age (entering UK), except that Davis had broad shoulders and more wingspan.

[coutournant]

Why is he ahead of Beringer?

Because he is ahead of him in every aspect of the offense : passing, shooting, handling.
Even if he has to improve in all of these areas, Essengue already makes impact at both ends of the court. His shooting has improved a lot this season, that's very promising since he is still very young

[Chi town]

He is landing spot specific for me, needs a creative coach to get him on the floor because to me he is a guy that probably needs to play on the wing but he has more big man skills. If his role is too rigid I think he will fail because he doesn’t fit into traditional boxes.

I think his energy and IQ alone make him a two way rotation player almost immediately.

I think a great PG is more important that a creative coach in making Noa shine.

[JMAC3]

Why is he ahead of Beringer?

Because he is ahead of him in every aspect of the offense : passing, shooting, handling.
Even if he has to improve in all of these areas, Essengue already makes impact at both ends of the court. His shooting has improved a lot this season, that's very promising since he is still very young

Yeah I think Berringer might be better early though because he will have a defined role. I still think Essengue is a hybrid, what position do you play him at?

[Catchall]

Why is he ahead of Beringer?

Because he is ahead of him in every aspect of the offense : passing, shooting, handling.
Even if he has to improve in all of these areas, Essengue already makes impact at both ends of the court. His shooting has improved a lot this season, that's very promising since he is still very young

Yeah I think Berringer might be better early though because he will have a defined role. I still think Essengue is a hybrid, what position do you play him at?

Ideally, Essengue becomes a 6'10", 220+ lb PF, similar to Nic Batum, but with more paint scoring and rim protection.

[EvanZ]

Looks like Noa Essengue got officially measured. He's grown an inch, added 10 lbs and added nearly 2 inches to his wingspan since his measurements from more than a year ago at Basketball Without Borders. Standing reach seemingly has gone down an inch or so in this measurement. It was measured at 9'3" before. His hands are also big, if that matters.

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Idk the measurements are just okay to me, he is tall yes, but his wingspan isn't all that much of a plus for a player his size tend to be. Also, he is very light. For instance Ace Bailey has the same wingspan, same weight despite being 2.5 shorter

This is what Anthony Davis looked like at the same age (entering UK), except that Davis had broad shoulders and more wingspan.

Yeah that “except” part is kind of a huge deal. Essengue looks to me extremely narrow. More like KD than AD in frame. Makes a huge difference in terms of positional projection.

[Chi town]

Noa will be able to defend wings like McDaniels and bigs much like Chet with his length.

I think the kid is a unicorn. Going to be a winning player with big impact. His FT rate and ability to score without plays being called for him will get him on thr floor much sooner than people realize.

[kobyz]

I can't see how he's not a top 5 pick, his combination of young age, production at high level, physical profile... There is not that much separation between him and Cooper

[FrodoBaggins]

Idk the measurements are just okay to me, he is tall yes, but his wingspan isn't all that much of a plus for a player his size tend to be. Also, he is very light. For instance Ace Bailey has the same wingspan, same weight despite being 2.5 shorter

This is what Anthony Davis looked like at the same age (entering UK), except that Davis had broad shoulders and more wingspan.

Yeah that “except” part is kind of a huge deal. Essengue looks to me extremely narrow. More like KD than AD in frame. Makes a huge difference in terms of positional projection.

It's hard to say. Clavicle width isn't always conducive to accurate body mass progression. FWIW, Shaq, Giannis, and Moses Malone all have narrow clavicles. It didn't stop them from adding significant mass without losing much athleticism. Jermaine O'Neal is another great example. Even Kevin Durant got up to 240 when he won MVP in 2013-14. Well, technically, 237 it was reported, but he was 242 the season after.

Essengue's anthropometry is closer to Antetokounmpo than many realize. Giannis was reported to be 6'11" (in shoes, presumably) and have a 7'3" wingspan and 9'3" standing reach. Considering The Greak Freak's hands are just about +1" longer, their biacromial breadth (the correct anthropometrical term) and arm length sans hand length is close. Giannis was 196 lbs when drafted; Noa's 203.9 lbs right now.

Patrick Baldwin Jr. is another FWD with similar measurements. He measured at 6'10.25" in shoes with a 7'1.75" wingspan and a 9'2.5" standing reach.

[FrodoBaggins]

BTW, is standing reach done in shoes or barefoot? Because Essengue's 9'3.25" standing reach measurement from the 2024 BWB camp would line up with a +1.5" wearing shoes.

[FrodoBaggins]

He could be a real problem going downhill if an NBA strength & conditioning team can get him up to 240 lbs without loss to flexibility, fluidity of movement, speed, and power. Long strides and narrow shoulders allow him to knife/slither by guys facing up/off the dribble & catch. Plays very tall and long attacking the rim with his long arms & big reach. Dare I say Giannis-lite... Will need to continue to work on the handle.

I'm a fan. The anthropometry, defense, motor, rim pressure, off-ball activity, and FTr are exciting indicators. Ball handling and passing potential.

[tmorgan]

He’s the guy Philly should either reach for at 3 or maneuver to get by reading the room and trading down. If they can pull off the latter, that’s a really good draft by Morey.

Everyone available at 3 has either serious issues or majorly uncertain projection. That’s what this draft is. If you can get people to take Ace, VJ, Tre, Kon, Maluach, etc. and still end up on the clock to take Essengue, I’d say you did great.

[JMAC3]

He had 3 pts and 2 rebounds yesterday in playoff game on 1/4 shooting.

[EvanZ]

This is what Anthony Davis looked like at the same age (entering UK), except that Davis had broad shoulders and more wingspan.

Yeah that “except” part is kind of a huge deal. Essengue looks to me extremely narrow. More like KD than AD in frame. Makes a huge difference in terms of positional projection.

It's hard to say. Clavicle width isn't always conducive to accurate body mass progression. FWIW, Shaq, Giannis, and Moses Malone all have narrow clavicles. It didn't stop them from adding significant mass without losing much athleticism. Jermaine O'Neal is another great example. Even Kevin Durant got up to 240 when he won MVP in 2013-14. Well, technically, 237 it was reported, but he was 242 the season after.

Essengue's anthropometry is closer to Antetokounmpo than many realize. Giannis was reported to be 6'11" (in shoes, presumably) and have a 7'3" wingspan and 9'3" standing reach. Considering The Greak Freak's hands are just about +1" longer, their biacromial breadth (the correct anthropometrical term) and arm length sans hand length is close. Giannis was 196 lbs when drafted; Noa's 203.9 lbs right now.

Patrick Baldwin Jr. is another FWD with similar measurements. He measured at 6'10.25" in shoes with a 7'1.75" wingspan and a 9'2.5" standing reach.

I'll take the bet against Essengue becoming Giannis. I would also say Essengue is significantly smaller clavicled than all those guys. Just look at their age 19 photos. Not really close imo. Even amongst the spectrum he's at the very low end.

[FrodoBaggins]

Yeah that “except” part is kind of a huge deal. Essengue looks to me extremely narrow. More like KD than AD in frame. Makes a huge difference in terms of positional projection.

It's hard to say. Clavicle width isn't always conducive to accurate body mass progression. FWIW, Shaq, Giannis, and Moses Malone all have narrow clavicles. It didn't stop them from adding significant mass without losing much athleticism. Jermaine O'Neal is another great example. Even Kevin Durant got up to 240 when he won MVP in 2013-14. Well, technically, 237 it was reported, but he was 242 the season after.

Essengue's anthropometry is closer to Antetokounmpo than many realize. Giannis was reported to be 6'11" (in shoes, presumably) and have a 7'3" wingspan and 9'3" standing reach. Considering The Greak Freak's hands are just about +1" longer, their biacromial breadth (the correct anthropometrical term) and arm length sans hand length is close. Giannis was 196 lbs when drafted; Noa's 203.9 lbs right now.

Patrick Baldwin Jr. is another FWD with similar measurements. He measured at 6'10.25" in shoes with a 7'1.75" wingspan and a 9'2.5" standing reach.

I'll take the bet against Essengue becoming Giannis.

Who are you betting against? I'll join you.

[FrodoBaggins]

Yeah that “except” part is kind of a huge deal. Essengue looks to me extremely narrow. More like KD than AD in frame. Makes a huge difference in terms of positional projection.

It's hard to say. Clavicle width isn't always conducive to accurate body mass progression. FWIW, Shaq, Giannis, and Moses Malone all have narrow clavicles. It didn't stop them from adding significant mass without losing much athleticism. Jermaine O'Neal is another great example. Even Kevin Durant got up to 240 when he won MVP in 2013-14. Well, technically, 237 it was reported, but he was 242 the season after.

Essengue's anthropometry is closer to Antetokounmpo than many realize. Giannis was reported to be 6'11" (in shoes, presumably) and have a 7'3" wingspan and 9'3" standing reach. Considering The Greak Freak's hands are just about +1" longer, their biacromial breadth (the correct anthropometrical term) and arm length sans hand length is close. Giannis was 196 lbs when drafted; Noa's 203.9 lbs right now.

Patrick Baldwin Jr. is another FWD with similar measurements. He measured at 6'10.25" in shoes with a 7'1.75" wingspan and a 9'2.5" standing reach.

I would also say Essengue is significantly smaller clavicled than all those guys. Just look at their age 19 photos. Not really close imo. Even amongst the spectrum he's at the very low end.

Are you sure? Here's what 250+ pound Jermaine O'Neal's biacromial breadth looked like at a similar age in high school:




And early in the pros: