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2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#401 » by greg4012 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:24 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:Saw the below on the Suns board, I think its a realistic frame work of what an offer to PHX could look like, not player for player but close.

I think that the Heat will not make Ware available in the trade. They will prefer to lose more picks than make him available.

The most possible outcome IMO is a three team trade:

Suns: Jovic, Claxton, Duncan Robinson, #20, one unprotected pick and some swap/2nd.

Miami: KD

Nets: Wiggins + FRP.

That way we get our PF and C of the future.

We get a salary relief in Duncan Robinson who could be waived for less than $10M.

And we get enough draft capital. 1 unprotected FRP, #20 and some swap/2nd. Hopefully a bit more than that.


Take out one FRP to PHX and let it rip
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Post#402 » by Wiltside » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:26 pm

Replace Jovic with Jaquez and let it rip :x
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#403 » by greg4012 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:28 pm

fincane30 wrote:
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MiamiSun wrote:Tyler makes front page of Fox News, SMH.

These guys should know the media looks for anything to make you look like your crazy.


Did Tyler have any role in making himself look crazy/dumb?


You have to ask yourself should a situation where he is sitting down with a streamer be taken as gospel and actually representative of what he thinks. Maybe it is. But it all seemed like theater and entertainment and done for laughs.


What gospel was taken?

I’m just not here to pin everything on some media boogeyman. It’s pretty clear how vast the attention economy is. Tyler is a grown man making decisions as to how to represent himself.
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Post#404 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:36 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:For everyone taking about the Tax bill the Sun have, remember it is considered an in the course of business transaction and thus can be deducted from any income made reducing the tax liability they have. So just for arguments sake lets say the Suns made 200 mill, and the tax bill is 200 mil, for tax purposes they made nothing and thus would have no tax liability. Then remember the owners are billionaires so it's not just the Sun they own, this can and will be applied against any other profits made by the owner. We always talk about the tax as a negative but ignore how it can be used proactively to save the owner money.

Billionaire owners don’t stay rich paying record tax bills for poor products. The repeater tax is going to be a huge problem for them after all the previous year’s spending. You are talking some real tax gymnastics almost making it seem like it’s ok for the owner to keep flushing money down the toilet. This is in a league where our current owner himself fights tooth and nail to avoid repeater or even luxury tax. All reports are saying the Suns want to get desperately out of the tax. If they desperately want out of the tax it’s for extreme common sense reasons and not the gymnastics presented above. They are also concerned about the harsh penalties in staying in the second apron. They can barely get just below the 2nd by releasing Martin and Micic but still have to cut a bunch of salary to reset the repeater tax clock.
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Post#405 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:37 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#406 » by fincane30 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:38 pm

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fincane30 wrote:
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Did Tyler have any role in making himself look crazy/dumb?


You have to ask yourself should a situation where he is sitting down with a streamer be taken as gospel and actually representative of what he thinks. Maybe it is. But it all seemed like theater and entertainment and done for laughs.


What gospel was taken?

I’m just not here to pin everything on some media boogeyman. It’s pretty clear how vast the attention economy is. Tyler is a grown man making decisions as to how to represent himself.


That he doesn't believe in history before 1950. Which led to him being accused of some egregious beliefs.

Sitting down on a stream is really no different than appearing in a sketch on a tv show or doing improv at this point in my view. People have lost the ability to discern the difference between satire/sarcasm and reality.
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Post#407 » by al bondiga » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:39 pm

We are not a championship team... We are mid-level... kd Will Not magically get us a chip...We would need two kd to even Contend a final

nba Is a young man's game... Being healthy 82 games and a playoff run, is not easy.
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Post#408 » by jbsays » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:42 pm

I mean if you trade Herro for a bunch of first round picks then you may as well move Bam for a bunch of more and go all in on a rebuild. That's not going to happen though.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#409 » by greg4012 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:47 pm

fincane30 wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
fincane30 wrote:
You have to ask yourself should a situation where he is sitting down with a streamer be taken as gospel and actually representative of what he thinks. Maybe it is. But it all seemed like theater and entertainment and done for laughs.


What gospel was taken?

I’m just not here to pin everything on some media boogeyman. It’s pretty clear how vast the attention economy is. Tyler is a grown man making decisions as to how to represent himself.


That he doesn't believe in history before 1950. Which led to him being accused of some egregious beliefs.

Sitting down on a stream is really no different than appearing in a sketch on a tv show or doing improv at this point in my view. People have lost the ability to discern the difference between satire/sarcasm and reality.


I didn’t read that gospel. I don’t believe anyone compelled Tyler to be seen in a certain light except himself by taking his actions.

I wonder when some other NBA stars are gonna do a similar sketch on that “tv show”. Maybe some improv. Ooh how fun!

I’m sure it will be a who’s who of all the best representations for the game.
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Post#410 » by oreon » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:49 pm

EMC5466 wrote:We heard a lot of the same **** about Jimmy Butler 6 years ago. I do agree with Simmons about the awkward fit in Minnesota. KD would have the ball in his hands way more down here with us.


At this stage of his career. That's his best role. Being the 2nd guy and stepping up when needed. Ant isn't as heliocentric as Doncic or Harden. He doesn't dominate the ball the way those guys do. You just slide KD into that Randle role. Randle got a ton of isos and shots.

My biggest problem with the KD is the age and asking him to be Butler of two seasons ago at 37. It's not realistic giving him that workload for multiple playoff rounds and expect any success or that his body won't break down.
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Post#411 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:50 pm

Part of it is who he decided to jump on stream with, they are known pieces of **** lol.
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Post#412 » by NightWatch » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:57 pm

I saw rodney mcgruder yesterday in Miami with his kids and girlfriend and I couldn’t believe he was a member of Heat almost 5 years ago and it took while to find his full name because I thought he was here recently like 2 years ago. Wow Time fly. Question, what’s with nba players shaving their legs?
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Post#413 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:59 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#414 » by Flash4thewin » Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:02 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Flash4thewin wrote:For everyone taking about the Tax bill the Sun have, remember it is considered an in the course of business transaction and thus can be deducted from any income made reducing the tax liability they have. So just for arguments sake lets say the Suns made 200 mill, and the tax bill is 200 mil, for tax purposes they made nothing and thus would have no tax liability. Then remember the owners are billionaires so it's not just the Sun they own, this can and will be applied against any other profits made by the owner. We always talk about the tax as a negative but ignore how it can be used proactively to save the owner money.

Billionaire owners don’t stay rich paying record tax bills for poor products. The repeater tax is going to be a huge problem for them after all the previous year’s spending. You are talking some real tax gymnastics almost making it seem like it’s ok for the owner to keep flushing money down the toilet. This is in a league where our current owner himself fights tooth and nail to avoid repeater or even luxury tax. All reports are saying the Suns want to get desperately out of the tax. If they desperately want out of the tax it’s for extreme common sense reasons and not the gymnastics presented above. They are also concerned about the harsh penalties in staying in the second apron. They can barely get just below the 2nd by releasing Martin and Micic but still have to cut a bunch of salary to reset the repeater tax clock.


I think you are missing the big picture here. Billionaires generally make money. They have to pay taxes on those gains. Here the team can be used as part of the write off. Remember the value of the team goes up, the brand of the team etc all go up, exposure etc goes up but from a fiscal taxable standpoint because of the tax they are a loss. The Clippers ownership has used this advantage. If you are generating Billions, spending that money on a side pet project like an NBA team instead of paying the tax liability is a more preferable option.

A better counter argument to make would be the owner is not making money and thus negating all of this. Take the Heat for instance. Mickey money comes from the cruise ship industry which has taken a hit these past few years. They have been in the red, so they would have no incentive to use this tactic.
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Post#415 » by eddieheatfan » Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:03 pm

al bondiga wrote:We are not a championship team... We are mid-level... kd Will Not magically get us a chip...We would need two kd to even Contend a final

nba Is a young man's game... Being healthy 82 games and a playoff run, is not easy.



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Post#416 » by Kobewade11 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:04 pm

NightWatch wrote:I saw rodney mcgruder yesterday in Miami with his kids and girlfriend and I couldn’t believe he was a member of Heat almost 5 years ago and it took while to find his full name because I thought he was here recently like 2 years ago. Wow Time fly. Question, what’s with nba players shaving their legs?

huh? :lol:
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#417 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:04 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:
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Flash4thewin wrote:For everyone taking about the Tax bill the Sun have, remember it is considered an in the course of business transaction and thus can be deducted from any income made reducing the tax liability they have. So just for arguments sake lets say the Suns made 200 mill, and the tax bill is 200 mil, for tax purposes they made nothing and thus would have no tax liability. Then remember the owners are billionaires so it's not just the Sun they own, this can and will be applied against any other profits made by the owner. We always talk about the tax as a negative but ignore how it can be used proactively to save the owner money.

Billionaire owners don’t stay rich paying record tax bills for poor products. The repeater tax is going to be a huge problem for them after all the previous year’s spending. You are talking some real tax gymnastics almost making it seem like it’s ok for the owner to keep flushing money down the toilet. This is in a league where our current owner himself fights tooth and nail to avoid repeater or even luxury tax. All reports are saying the Suns want to get desperately out of the tax. If they desperately want out of the tax it’s for extreme common sense reasons and not the gymnastics presented above. They are also concerned about the harsh penalties in staying in the second apron. They can barely get just below the 2nd by releasing Martin and Micic but still have to cut a bunch of salary to reset the repeater tax clock.


I think you are missing the big picture here. Billionaires generally make money. They have to pay taxes on those gains. Here the team can be used as part of the write off. Remember the value of the team goes up, the brand of the team etc all go up, exposure etc goes up but from a fiscal taxable standpoint because of the tax they are a loss. The Clippers ownership has used this advantage. If you are generating Billions, spending that money on a side pet project like an NBA team instead of paying the tax liability is a more preferable option.

A better counter argument to make would be the owner is not making money and thus negating all of this. Take the Heat for instance. Mickey money comes from the cruise ship industry which has taken a hit these past few years. They have been in the red, so they would have no incentive to use this tactic.

Even the Clippers owner had to get himself out of the tax. That’s why Paul George left in free agency. The big picture for the Suns is they better reset that repeater clock and get out from the apron’s for atleast a year. Just like we are trying to do. Forgot to mention the Warriors also had to get their books in order as well.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2 

Post#418 » by NightWatch » Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:08 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:
NightWatch wrote:I saw rodney mcgruder yesterday in Miami with his kids and girlfriend and I couldn’t believe he was a member of Heat almost 5 years ago and it took while to find his full name because I thought he was here recently like 2 years ago. Wow Time fly. Question, what’s with nba players shaving their legs?

huh? :lol:


I noticed nba players that I came across has their legs shaved.
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Post#419 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:11 pm

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Post#420 » by DayofMourning » Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:14 pm

Wiggins, Rozier and no picks for KD? That tax bill is evil.

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