The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

sunsbum · Post #2281 » by **sunsbum** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:22 pm

BobbieL wrote:
sunsbum wrote:
sunsbg wrote:If Suns start a rebuild with Ware, Jovic picks from Miami than keeping Booker makes no sense especially if HOU wants to beat Magic offer for Bane. BobbieL has said it a thousand times already, but I just wanted to reiterate this simple truth.
BobbyL doesn’t run the suns. So where does that get us?

I wouldn’t be worse than ishbia and most every poster on here would be better than him too

I don’t disagree but I also don’t really care to dabble in what ifs.

Fo-Real · Post #2282 » by **Fo-Real** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:25 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:

Read on Twitter

Green with that poison pill contract that jumps from 12 mil this year, to 33 mil starting next. I can see why Houston doesn't want that. If you can get Jabari Smith and picks with him AND find someone who wants Green, THAT IS A WIN.

BobbieL · Post #2283 » by **BobbieL** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:37 pm

sunsbum wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
sunsbum wrote: BobbyL doesn’t run the suns. So where does that get us?

I wouldn’t be worse than ishbia and most every poster on here would be better than him too

I don’t disagree but I also don’t really care to dabble in what ifs.

Fair enough

BobbieL · Post #2284 » by **BobbieL** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:39 pm

Fo-Real wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:

Read on Twitter

Green with that poison pill contract that jumps from 12 mil this year, to 33 mil starting next. I can see why Houston doesn't want that. If you can get Jabari Smith and picks with him AND find someone who wants Green, THAT IS A WIN.

This would be a post July 1 trade since that is when his contract jumps

12+33 = 45
Durant makes 54

Suns could potentially get 9m of cap space unless another contract is added - wonder if the Rockets would say "take Jock Londale"

Who needs Green though? The Nets maybe. I forget who said it but maybe the Mavs but that would involve flipping Klay to another team

Revived · Post #2285 » by **Revived** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:40 pm

Read on Twitter

BobbieL · Post #2286 » by **BobbieL** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:45 pm

Revived wrote:

Read on Twitter

Suns are trying to get teams to offer more through Windhorst

sunsbum · Post #2287 » by **sunsbum** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:54 pm

I don feel like the suns really need to posture much more via the media, the grizzlies trade has set the floor. I don’t expect to get a ridiculous amount of picks but I think we will now have the leverage to get the packages we want

Rebound Mound · Post #2288 » by **Rebound Mound** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:54 pm

BobbieL wrote:
Revived wrote:

Read on Twitter

Suns are trying to get teams to offer more through Windhorst

Or less... because if you publicly aknowledge that the offers you have are low, imagine what other franchises are going to do... present low offers as well...

Keep low your expectations in general. In life and everything Suns related.

Saberestar · Post #2289 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:55 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:Will Toronto actually go beyond all the noise about their willingness to gamble on Durant without a long-term contract commitment to make a determined push for KD?

Sources say that the Raptors would be willing to part with either RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley for a significant roster upgrade. Several
league figures with knowledge of the Raptors' thinking have likewise asserted that they could show a willingness to move center Jakob Poeltl as well ... provided that the trade in question brought back Durant.

The Raptors' No. 9 pick is also increasingly viewed as perhaps the most likely top-10 pick in the draft to be traded. My sense is that Toronto would prefer to simply trade down rather than trade out of the first-round completely. Perhaps there is some swap potential in a deal with Phoenix and the Suns' No. 29 overall selection.

Quickley or Barrett...that's a tough question. IDK.
I like both players.

Good to know that #9 is available. I wouldn't care much about trading #29 for #9 but we need a future unprotected pick added in the final package.

We need a PG, answer is Quickly IMO. Along with Peortl. Then picks of whatever works.

Quickly fills a need BUT Barrett is the better player...so that's why I have my doubts.

BobbieL · Post #2290 » by **BobbieL** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:12 pm

Saberestar wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Quickley or Barrett...that's a tough question. IDK.
I like both players.

Good to know that #9 is available. I wouldn't care much about trading #29 for #9 but we need a future unprotected pick added in the final package.

We need a PG, answer is Quickly IMO. Along with Peortl. Then picks of whatever works.

Quickly fills a need BUT Barrett is the better player...so that's why I have my doubts.

I didn't realize Quickly got a big pay raise - I was surprised to see he is getting so much

that said, I want the better player over just target C or PF or PG

MrMiyagi · Post #2291 » by **MrMiyagi** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:14 pm

RJ is not very good

Sunsdeuce · Post #2292 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:17 pm

BobbieL wrote:
Revived wrote:

Read on Twitter

Suns are trying to get teams to offer more through Windhorst

But but but but Gambo said a few days ago they have a good offer on the table. lol

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #2293 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:27 pm

sunsbum wrote:I don feel like the suns really need to posture much more via the media, the grizzlies trade has set the floor. I don’t expect to get a ridiculous amount of picks but I think we will now have the leverage to get the packages we want

That's what I think, too. People point to KD's age relative to a guy like Desmond Bane, but look. KD makes $50 mil per. Bane makes $40 mil per. In the last two years, KD played 137 regular season games. Bane played 111. And then you get to stats. At that point the comparison points disappear. KD is simply much better.

The extension thing with Durant may loom, but everyone knows he's just a hooper and he'll play for pay. Bane's locked into his contract through 2028-29. Sure, Durant will request the max $60 mil per, but he can only qualify for a two-year extension. That limitation really limits the downside for a team that signs KD, IMO.

Of the players I've seen discussed, I like Dillingham the most. But I'd be a bit surprised if there wasn't a team willing to pony up substantial draft capital in order to acquire KD. With Giannis off the market, Durant is undoubtedly the single best player available. So, I'm hopeful.

Post #2294 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:28 pm

After our KD trade, and maybe getting rid of Allen and O'Neale for probably not much, do people think Book will have a better supporting cast than when we were winning 20-30 games from 2015-2019 (Bledsoe, TJ Warren, Derrick Jones Jr, Tyson Channdler in 16-17 when we won 24. In 15-16 when we won 23 we also had PJ Tucker, Markieff Morris and Alex Len)...in 17-18 we only had Bledsoe and DJJ for a few games, but later got Elfrid Payton. We still have Booker, TJ (played in 65 games, 11 more than Book), Tyson Chandler and Alex Len. Though we also had rookie Josh Jackson, and 2nd year Chriss and Len (though still won 21 games, only a few games less than the prior 2 years).

Then in 18-19, we added Oubre, Tyler Johnson, rookies DA and MIkal, Richaun Holmes, De'Anthony Melton, and 43 games of TJ Warren.

Now, with Booker, Oubre, TJ, DA, Mikal, Melton and Johnson, that wasn't a terrible mix of talent...we also had Crawford, Jackson...

This season, with a return on KD, along with Book and whoever else, will we be better? I don't think we will likely have a better C duo than Ayton and Holmes, or wing trio of Bridges, Oubre and TJ where one could play PF. Tyler Johnson was decent a times as was Melton....so PG wasn't terrible.

We won 19 games that year. Will our roster look better this year? If so, by how much?

RaisingArizona · Post #2295 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:39 pm

sunsbum wrote:I don feel like the suns really need to posture much more via the media, the grizzlies trade has set the floor. I don’t expect to get a ridiculous amount of picks but I think we will now have the leverage to get the packages we want

no way man that new poster said we are going to get nothing so that's what it must be

RaisingArizona · Post #2296 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:50 pm

maybe we're waiting for the OKC failure

Slim Charless · Post #2297 » by **Slim Charless** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:05 pm

RaisingArizona wrote:maybe we're waiting for the OKC failure

Them winning in the last game sucked. Would've put so much pressure on OKC and turned the trade rumors up times 100x this weeknd. Spurs and Rockets felt the occupying pressure.

garrick · Post #2298 » by **garrick** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:10 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
Revived wrote:

Read on Twitter

Suns are trying to get teams to offer more through Windhorst

But but but but Gambo said a few days ago they have a good offer on the table. lol

Sounds like Ishbia is not being realistic and thinking he can get more in return for KD.

It would be one thing if KD was able to lead us deep into the playoffs but coming off a 36 win team that didn't even make it to the play in and the fact that father time is undefeated we are not going to get very good offers for him.

Now if we could trade Grayson or O'Neale to get under the 2nd apron you could maybe attach Dunn with KD to make the trade more enticing but it seems like half the board here would go nuts at even the idea of trading Dunn. :lol:

Saberestar · Post #2299 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:10 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
Revived wrote:

Read on Twitter

Suns are trying to get teams to offer more through Windhorst

But but but but Gambo said a few days ago they have a good offer on the table. lol

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Well, if you have on the table already a good offer you try to get a very good offer playing the waiting game and negotiating with all the potential trade partners.

thamadkant · Post #2300 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:44 pm

bwgood77 wrote:After our KD trade, and maybe getting rid of Allen and O'Neale for probably not much, do people think Book will have a better supporting cast than when we were winning 20-30 games from 2015-2019 (Bledsoe, TJ Warren, Derrick Jones Jr, Tyson Channdler in 16-17 when we won 24. In 15-16 when we won 23 we also had PJ Tucker, Markieff Morris and Alex Len)...in 17-18 we only had Bledsoe and DJJ for a few games, but later got Elfrid Payton. We still have Booker, TJ (played in 65 games, 11 more than Book), Tyson Chandler and Alex Len. Though we also had rookie Josh Jackson, and 2nd year Chriss and Len (though still won 21 games, only a few games less than the prior 2 years).

Then in 18-19, we added Oubre, Tyler Johnson, rookies DA and MIkal, Richaun Holmes, De'Anthony Melton, and 43 games of TJ Warren.

Now, with Booker, Oubre, TJ, DA, Mikal, Melton and Johnson, that wasn't a terrible mix of talent...we also had Crawford, Jackson...

This season, with a return on KD, along with Book and whoever else, will we be better? I don't think we will likely have a better C duo than Ayton and Holmes, or wing trio of Bridges, Oubre and TJ where one could play PF. Tyler Johnson was decent a times as was Melton....so PG wasn't terrible.

We won 19 games that year. Will our roster look better this year? If so, by how much?

Suns without KD and Booker as main without much help, would be lucky to win 25 games.

Ishiba will see that he wasted time and should have just traded Booker rather than giving him an extra 150M extension.

Now depending on who Suns traded KD for and what they got back, Rockets would be laughing sitting on gold with those Suns picks.