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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 continued x2 

Post#281 » by KnixinSix » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:25 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Memphis isn't trading JJJ.

Outside of free agency, I don't see any huge changes to this group. We just need to address areas of concern.

We need to add another wing and another ball handler. What else?



Oh well, I guess you have it all figured out

No need to continue this conversation! :D

Respectfully I disagree, While we can't guarantee they move him , I've kind of sensed from a while ago they would absolutely move him with this new innovative offense they want to employ and they may want picks. Plus JJJ only has one year left on his deal.
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Post#282 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:36 pm

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The Grizzlies are not looking to deal either of their two remaining franchise cornerstones, Ja Morant and Jaren Jackson Jr., sources told ESPN's Tim Bontemps. The team has spent the past several months clearing salary cap space to complete a renegotiation and extension of Jackson's contract this offseason, preventing him from hitting free agency in 2026. The belief is that an extension will get done, sources said. But the Bane trade gives Memphis an avenue to give Jackson even more on that deal and lock him in long term.


Makes total sense. Their fan base would revolt if they tried to move them.
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Post#283 » by stuporman » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:38 pm

Why do I get the feeling that the Suns have so openly put pressure on themselves to get the KD deal by the draft that they will wind up getting a crap deal for him despite the also public position of them trying to get the 'best deal' they can?

That whole organization from the owner down really does seem like it's being run by a bunch of posters from RealGM. No real plan or grasp of what they are doing, just a bunch of random ideas, not even a concept of a plan.
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Post#284 » by KnixinSix » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:38 pm

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“Since hiring Leon Rose in 2020, the Knicks' front office has utilized its relationships often for the team's benefit. One example was hiring Jackson Jr.'s father, Jaren Jackson Sr., as an assistant coach for the Westchester G-League affiliate in 2021. From that January to May 2023, the elder Jackson served on Derrick Alston and Rose-favorite DeSagna Diop's staff.

Jackson Jr. is a former Creative Artists Agency client of Rose. The University of the Incarnate Word added Jackson Sr. to their men's basketball staff in 2023, ending his Knicks tenure

Jackson Jr. remains with CAA under agent Austin Brown. The 2023 Defensive Player of the Year has one year remaining of his four-year, $104.7 million contract.

The Knicks' front office has become infamous for its confident approaches to recruiting. It's unlikely that the franchise expected Jackson Jr. to demand a trade because of their sideline addition in Westchester. But sources familiar with the situation tell ClutchPoints that at least one key member of the Knicks' front office has long been interested in Jackson Jr. as a trade target.

The Knicks' acquisition of Karl-Anthony Towns last offseason didn't nullify this interest, either. League sources say that a Jackson Jr. and Karl-Anthony Towns frontcourt would be a ‘dream' pairing for New York in their starting lineup.

Whether or not the Grizzlies would move Jackson Jr. remains to be seen. It presented as unlikely going into the offseason, but the Bane deal with Orlando was ‘a rebuild trade‘ according to ESPN's Brian Windhorst. Would Memphis move the two-time NBA All-Star big to punt on competing in the loaded Western Conference?

Knicks want JJJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Follow the tea leaves (based on my impressions):


1.Knicks prefer to keep KAT

2. Knicks more willing to move some combo Bridges, Hart ,Mitch , and maybe McBride.

3. They prefer not to but would move OG instead of Bridges if they had to.

4. Memphis on a potential fire sale

5. JJJ is CAA and on last year of deal, doesn't qualify for supermax and therefore Memphis leverage over him is somewhat diminished.



*What does that add up to?

*Does Memphis favor players or picks?



If it's picks, you figure out:

1. who wants Bridges the most (we know Houston loves him) and get 3-4 FRPS picks for him.
2. You then get as much as you can for 1 or 2 other guys of Mitch, Hart, McBride (1 to 2 more FRPs depending on quality of the FRP)
3. Send that package over to Memphis along with salary matching players AND your 2026 #1 and a couple 2's as well.


If it's Bridges + they prefer:

1. You send them Bridges and one of Hart, Mitch or McBride (whatever they want most) AND your 2026 #1 and a couple 2's as well
2. Or You send them Bridges then get a pick or two for one of Hart, Mitch or McBride from a 3rd team and then send those picks to Memphis AND your 2026 #1 and a couple 2's as well
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Post#285 » by Spree2Houston » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:47 pm

Had JJJ made an All-NBA team, he would have been eligible to sign a five-year extension worth up to $345.3 million this offseason. Since he didn’t, the Grizzlies can offer him no more than a four-year extension worth $146.8 million. That’s basically OG’s salary slot. Knicks could do a OG for JJJ swap and follow up with Mitch for Donte swap in some 3way trade.
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Post#286 » by stuporman » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:49 pm

There is some irony if the Knicks used Bridges to get the Suns picks from Houston to give to Memphis in a trade for JJJ. Not saying I endorse that path but just noting the irony if something like that did happen. It would be only more ironic if KD is somehow in the deal without the Suns getting their own picks back but that's just a sitcom plot, not a real possibility.
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Post#287 » by douggood » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:52 pm

Spree2Houston wrote:Had JJJ made an All-NBA team, he would have been eligible to sign a five-year extension worth up to $345.3 million this offseason. Since he didn’t, the Grizzlies can offer him no more than a four-year extension worth $146.8 million. That’s basically OG’s salary slot. Knicks could do a OG for JJJ swap and follow up with Mitch for Donte swap in some 3way trade.

the griz made the smart trade to washington to create cap space to raise and extend JJJ
they had 7 mil cap space, now 4 mil after the bane trade
they need 12 mil cap space to raise him enough to be able to give him the max extension using the 140% rule.
i expect another trade to be able to do that, clarke or cole anthony could be on the move.
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Post#288 » by Juco24 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:55 pm

Maybe this is a silly question but is JJJ really worth all this hype? He seems injury prone to me. People talk about KAT being prone to injury and foul trouble... I swear from what I've seen (albeit not a lot) he too commits silly fouls. I don't know... maybe just me, but I'm not sure he's this game changer that some are making him out to be
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Post#289 » by sol537 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:00 pm

MEM should move on from Ja but they probably won't. Not sure they should trade JJJ unless they're also trading Ja.
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Post#290 » by KnixinSix » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:03 pm

Spree2Houston wrote:Had JJJ made an All-NBA team, he would have been eligible to sign a five-year extension worth up to $345.3 million this offseason. Since he didn’t, the Grizzlies can offer him no more than a four-year extension worth $146.8 million. That’s basically OG’s salary slot. Knicks could do a OG for JJJ swap and follow up with Mitch for Donte swap in some 3way trade.


Absolutely true......I prefer to move Bridges but I could move OG while keeping Bridges if it meant getting JJJ and keeping KAT.
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Post#291 » by seren » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:07 pm

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seren wrote:Honestly I don’t see Vancouver going through an entire rebuild here. The deal makes a lot of sense for a cost conscious team. Bane was a luxury for them. He doesn’t change the outcome dramatically. His absence won’t suddenly make this team bound for lottery and his presence doesn’t make the team a contender. Apart from a good amount of draft picks, they divided the contract into two cheaper players who can help them or another team. Imagine trading that Cole Anthony contract to Minnesota for one of their bigs. Minnesota needs a PG. Or any other team that needs a backup PG for that matter. If KCP can back to his previous form, he would provide 70 percent of what Bane did for half the price.

People need to realize Vancouver is one of the smallest markets there and don’t have the capacity to pay the luxury tax every year.


your dating yourself :lol:


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Post#292 » by sol537 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:12 pm

I don't think we should necessarily sell low on Bridges because he wasn't used right by Thibs. Bridges showed some of his true potential when he locked guys up in the playoffs (most of the time) and when he made clutch plays for us. I think he has another level he can/will reach with the new coach we bring in.

OG and KAT were also not utilized to their full potential. That's three guys who could reach new heights. Deuce and Mitch were also not much help during the regular season due to injuries, mainly.

Let's stand pat... let's get a guy like Hortford for the vet min and let's run it back. Keep Shamet and Wright. Let Payne walk. No need to use the Tax MLE if it's going to put us in the 2nd apron.
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Post#293 » by Jalen Bluntson » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:13 pm

sol537 wrote:MEM should move on from Ja but they probably won't. Not sure they should trade JJJ unless they're also trading Ja.


They aren't breaking up the team. I doubt JJJ is even gonna be available. The trade thread is a lot like the coaching search. :lol:

I can imagine any Knicks moves will be to fill out the roster for the next HC. All the Giannis/KD/JJJ talk is just NBA2k dreaming. It's ok to dream I suppose.
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Post#294 » by dukeknicksirish » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:14 pm

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Knicks In: Murphy
Knicks Out: Mitch, Hart, Dadiet, Wash 1st, swap, 2 2nds

Bulls In: Mitch, Dadiet
Bulls Out: White

NOP In: Hart, White, Wash 1st, NYK 2030 swap, 2 2nds
NOP Out:
(Need 1 vet, 1 prospect, multiple picks for Murphy - per them)

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Post#295 » by Jalen Bluntson » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:18 pm

seren wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
seren wrote:Honestly I don’t see Vancouver going through an entire rebuild here. The deal makes a lot of sense for a cost conscious team. Bane was a luxury for them. He doesn’t change the outcome dramatically. His absence won’t suddenly make this team bound for lottery and his presence doesn’t make the team a contender. Apart from a good amount of draft picks, they divided the contract into two cheaper players who can help them or another team. Imagine trading that Cole Anthony contract to Minnesota for one of their bigs. Minnesota needs a PG. Or any other team that needs a backup PG for that matter. If KCP can back to his previous form, he would provide 70 percent of what Bane did for half the price.

People need to realize Vancouver is one of the smallest markets there and don’t have the capacity to pay the luxury tax every year.


your dating yourself :lol:


:lol:
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Post#296 » by Reign23 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:22 pm

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Post#297 » by KnixinSix » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:47 pm

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sol537 wrote:MEM should move on from Ja but they probably won't. Not sure they should trade JJJ unless they're also trading Ja.


They aren't breaking up the team. I doubt JJJ is even gonna be available. The trade thread is a lot like the coaching search. :lol:

I can imagine any Knicks moves will be to fill out the roster for the next HC. All the Giannis/KD/JJJ talk is just NBA2k dreaming. It's ok to dream I suppose.


JJJ is on his last year bro. What if when he is asked if you want to resign or extend he tells them no? Keep him and lose him for nothing at end of year?
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Post#298 » by Jalen Bluntson » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:49 pm

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sol537 wrote:MEM should move on from Ja but they probably won't. Not sure they should trade JJJ unless they're also trading Ja.


They aren't breaking up the team. I doubt JJJ is even gonna be available. The trade thread is a lot like the coaching search. :lol:

I can imagine any Knicks moves will be to fill out the roster for the next HC. All the Giannis/KD/JJJ talk is just NBA2k dreaming. It's ok to dream I suppose.


JJJ is on his last year bro. What if when he is asked if you want to resign or extend he tells them no? Keep him and lose him for nothing at end of year?


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Post#299 » by KnixinSix » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:53 pm

sol537 wrote:I don't think we should necessarily sell low on Bridges because he wasn't used right by Thibs. Bridges showed some of his true potential when he locked guys up in the playoffs (most of the time) and when he made clutch plays for us. I think he has another level he can/will reach with the new coach we bring in.

OG and KAT were also not utilized to their full potential. That's three guys who could reach new heights. Deuce and Mitch were also not much help during the regular season due to injuries, mainly.

Let's stand pat... let's get a guy like Hortford for the vet min and let's run it back. Keep Shamet and Wright. Let Payne walk. No need to use the Tax MLE if it's going to put us in the 2nd apron.



On theBridges sucks narrative by many of the emotionally led fanbase....


1.Bridges wasn't some unmitigated disaster.

2. Teams KNOW he was misutilized by a now fired coach and the 4th option some games which muted his production .

3. Bridges is still young , yet has a long body of work in better situations where he has clearly established what his talent level is when properly utilized

4. Teams therefore know his slightly hampered production last year is not a diminishment of talent which would be the ultimate factor of lowering his value

*With all that said, if Bridges decided to extend now that Thibs is gone and it got us better value back to trade OG...I would absolutely do it if it meant our top 4 was: Brunson, KAT, JJJ and Bridges.

I prefer Brunson, KAT, JJJ and OG but a top 4 of Brunson, KAT, JJJ and Bridges is absolutely better roster construction than Brunson, KAT, OG and Bridges .

JJJ is a near perfect counter-balance to KAT and one of Bridges or OG (when factoring in the JJJ effect) is enough of a counter-balance to Brunson in your top 4.
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Post#300 » by KnixinSix » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:55 pm

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They aren't breaking up the team. I doubt JJJ is even gonna be available. The trade thread is a lot like the coaching search. :lol:

I can imagine any Knicks moves will be to fill out the roster for the next HC. All the Giannis/KD/JJJ talk is just NBA2k dreaming. It's ok to dream I suppose.


JJJ is on his last year bro. What if when he is asked if you want to resign or extend he tells them no? Keep him and lose him for nothing at end of year?


It's ok to dream.


Bro JJJ has a bigger chance of happening than many believe....did I not tell you that Bridges, KAT and OG were all legit possibilities months before they happened too?!

When you going to believe me JB?!!! :lol:
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