2025 NBA Draft Thread 2.0

[drsd]

Anybody else excited to hear Weltman say that whoever we pick at 25 was our original target at 16th before we traded that pick? Lol

This reminds me of when the Magic drafted Nelson. At the time, management said "he's was #2 on our big-board after Howard."
Sure. Right.

[three3d]

Give me a young big especially if Moe isn’t back.

Danny Wolf ?

Dude's from UM after all.

So going into the draft I had Danny Wolf & Clayton Jr as the two Magic targets with 16th and 25th pick. I’m wondering if this trade could mean one of those guys isn’t expected to be there at 16 now. Danny Wolf appears to be the more likely guy to be drafted ahead of the 16th pick. If Clayton is available at 25 and Wolf is drafted before the 16th pick it was a smart well thought out trade.

[three3d]

Anybody else excited to hear Weltman say that whoever we pick at 25 was our original target at 16th before we traded that pick? Lol

This reminds me of when the Magic drafted Nelson. At the time, management said "he's was #2 on our big-board after Howard."
Sure. Right.

So hear me out, what if the plan going into the draft was Wolf at 16 and Clayton Jr. at 25. That would have been a good draft for what we need. So why trade 16 then? If there’s a feeling now Wolf will be taken earlier than the 16th pick ( possible) it’s a good pivot if you get Clayton Jr at 25 IMO. It would’ve been the best move. The front office has made to date.

[The Effect]

I still think 25 gets moved (has to be after we make the pick now).

I kinda feel the opposite

I think Weltman has someone specifically targeted for that pick, or else he would of likely included that pick in the traded instead of the 2028 or 2030 pick. Either that or theres another trade on the table for say isaac+jett(or tds)+25 for a big, but personally i think the first scenario is far more likely

[three3d]

I still think 25 gets moved (has to be after we make the pick now).

I kinda feel the opposite

I think Weltman has someone specifically targeted for that pick, or else he would of likely included that pick in the traded instead of the 2028 or 2030 pick. Either that or theres another trade on the table for say isaac+jett(or tds)+25 for a big, but personally i think the first scenario is far more likely

This is where I think/hope that target has to be Walter Clayton Jr. Honest question, does he not fit what we need and don’t have at the pg level?

[basketballRob]

Do you trade Goga, Jett, and the 25th pick for a solid rotation player? Goga and Jett couldn't crack the playoff rotation.

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[RichCollab]

Do you trade Goga, Jett, and the 25th pick for a solid rotation player? Goga and Jett couldn't crack the playoff rotation.

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I feel we see how things play out now. Like who is there at 25? Where is Moe at in recovery? Do they think or know Moe is coming back and the price.

Lots of solid vet min rotational players last year once the money dried up. Money seems tighter this offseason.

If I’m a vet, Orlando being in the East I man join up for a shot at a championship.

[The Effect]

I still think 25 gets moved (has to be after we make the pick now).

I kinda feel the opposite

I think Weltman has someone specifically targeted for that pick, or else he would of likely included that pick in the traded instead of the 2028 or 2030 pick. Either that or theres another trade on the table for say isaac+jett(or tds)+25 for a big, but personally i think the first scenario is far more likely

This is where I think/hope that target has to be Walter Clayton Jr. Honest question, does he not fit what we need and don’t have at the pg level?

This is just my opinion, but no i dont think he fits what we need at PG
Not saying i wouldnt want him on the team, would be thrilled if we drafted him, but i just dont think weltman is thinking that way

The way i think they see if, and this was strengthened in my head after yesterday, is that Suggs is our PG, unquestioned. They didnt give up 4 1st for a SG if they thought suggs was gonna move back to SG. Suggs is THE GUY as long as hes here. So hes PG1. With Black not being included in the trade, you have to assume if we included him in the trade, we probably could of removed either the suns pick or '28+'30, they choose not to do that because they value him too much. hes the 6th man\PG2 and i think they feel hes a guy who could become the PG1 one day. so with those 2 set as the PGs, i doubt their thinking is a 3rd young pg. i think the 3rd PG will be an older vet on a league min type deal who can help these guys develop without taking away valuable playing time, much like CoJo last year. I think clayton would be adding more youth to a position that needs some vet leadership

I see either CoJo being brought back, and if not him, someone like him

[tiderulz]

I kinda feel the opposite

I think Weltman has someone specifically targeted for that pick, or else he would of likely included that pick in the traded instead of the 2028 or 2030 pick. Either that or theres another trade on the table for say isaac+jett(or tds)+25 for a big, but personally i think the first scenario is far more likely

This is where I think/hope that target has to be Walter Clayton Jr. Honest question, does he not fit what we need and don’t have at the pg level?

This is just my opinion, but no i dont think he fits what we need at PG
Not saying i wouldnt want him on the team, would be thrilled if we drafted him, but i just dont think weltman is thinking that way

The way i think they see if, and this was strengthened in my head after yesterday, is that Suggs is our PG, unquestioned. They didnt give up 4 1st for a SG if they thought suggs was gonna move back to SG. Suggs is THE GUY as long as hes here. So hes PG1. With Black not being included in the trade, you have to assume if we included him in the trade, we probably could of removed either the suns pick or '28+'30, they choose not to do that because they value him too much. hes the 6th man\PG2 and i think they feel hes a guy who could become the PG1 one day. so with those 2 set as the PGs, i doubt their thinking is a 3rd young pg. i think the 3rd PG will be an older vet on a league min type deal who can help these guys develop without taking away valuable playing time, much like CoJo last year. I think clayton would be adding more youth to a position that needs some vet leadership

I see either CoJo being brought back, and if not him, someone like him

why cant Clayton be the PG from the bench? because honestly, i dont see Black as a real PG. i see Black as our bench wing defender

[RichCollab]

This is where I think/hope that target has to be Walter Clayton Jr. Honest question, does he not fit what we need and don’t have at the pg level?

This is just my opinion, but no i dont think he fits what we need at PG
Not saying i wouldnt want him on the team, would be thrilled if we drafted him, but i just dont think weltman is thinking that way

The way i think they see if, and this was strengthened in my head after yesterday, is that Suggs is our PG, unquestioned. They didnt give up 4 1st for a SG if they thought suggs was gonna move back to SG. Suggs is THE GUY as long as hes here. So hes PG1. With Black not being included in the trade, you have to assume if we included him in the trade, we probably could of removed either the suns pick or '28+'30, they choose not to do that because they value him too much. hes the 6th man\PG2 and i think they feel hes a guy who could become the PG1 one day. so with those 2 set as the PGs, i doubt their thinking is a 3rd young pg. i think the 3rd PG will be an older vet on a league min type deal who can help these guys develop without taking away valuable playing time, much like CoJo last year. I think clayton would be adding more youth to a position that needs some vet leadership

I see either CoJo being brought back, and if not him, someone like him

why cant Clayton be the PG from the bench? because honestly, i dont see Black as a real PG. i see Black as our bench wing defender

Clayton is a converted SG just like Suggs and AB. Clayton didn’t convert until like his 4th year.

I’m not sure why people automatically think he will be a PG. His size is better at PG but he is in the same boat as the others.

[The Effect]

Do you trade Goga, Jett, and the 25th pick for a solid rotation player? Goga and Jett couldn't crack the playoff rotation.

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COuld be
Really wish Jett would pan out, would really go a long way if he was even half as good as you would hope a top 11 pick would be. Not sure if im ready to quit on him, but if we can get a legit bench scorer for him and goga+25, then sure that would work, but i dont know if that deal is out there

Im more hoping theres a deal for Isaac+one of the bigs

[RichCollab]

Do you trade Goga, Jett, and the 25th pick for a solid rotation player? Goga and Jett couldn't crack the playoff rotation.

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COuld be
Really wish Jett would pan out, would really go a long way if he was even half as good as you would hope a top 11 pick would be. Not sure if im ready to quit on him, but if we can get a legit bench scorer for him and goga+25, then sure that would work, but i dont know if that deal is out there

Im more hoping theres a deal for Isaac+one of the bigs

If Jett remains, I will give him a chance but I think I would prefer to just spend his cap space on someone else.

[The Effect]

This is where I think/hope that target has to be Walter Clayton Jr. Honest question, does he not fit what we need and don’t have at the pg level?

This is just my opinion, but no i dont think he fits what we need at PG
Not saying i wouldnt want him on the team, would be thrilled if we drafted him, but i just dont think weltman is thinking that way

The way i think they see if, and this was strengthened in my head after yesterday, is that Suggs is our PG, unquestioned. They didnt give up 4 1st for a SG if they thought suggs was gonna move back to SG. Suggs is THE GUY as long as hes here. So hes PG1. With Black not being included in the trade, you have to assume if we included him in the trade, we probably could of removed either the suns pick or '28+'30, they choose not to do that because they value him too much. hes the 6th man\PG2 and i think they feel hes a guy who could become the PG1 one day. so with those 2 set as the PGs, i doubt their thinking is a 3rd young pg. i think the 3rd PG will be an older vet on a league min type deal who can help these guys develop without taking away valuable playing time, much like CoJo last year. I think clayton would be adding more youth to a position that needs some vet leadership

I see either CoJo being brought back, and if not him, someone like him

why cant Clayton be the PG from the bench? because honestly, i dont see Black as a real PG. i see Black as our bench wing defender

again im going off what im thinking weltman is thinking. He used the #6 pick on black, as a PG, and considering he ended the year on a high note, i dont think they are gonna move away from that now. AB was very raw when he was drafted, and is still developing and like i said, the fact that he wasnt included in the trade tells me alot about how they value him
Also, his skill set isnt really great for a SG

NOW, one scenario i could see is drafting clayton as a SG\bench scorer. With Black being big enough to guard 1-3, he could probably play PG on offense and then guard the SG on defense while clayton takes the PG?

Considering we dont have a legit SG off the bench, this could def be a possibility

[basketballRob]

Do you trade Goga, Jett, and the 25th pick for a solid rotation player? Goga and Jett couldn't crack the playoff rotation.

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COuld be
Really wish Jett would pan out, would really go a long way if he was even half as good as you would hope a top 11 pick would be. Not sure if im ready to quit on him, but if we can get a legit bench scorer for him and goga+25, then sure that would work, but i dont know if that deal is out there

Im more hoping theres a deal for Isaac+one of the bigs

If Jett remains, I will give him a chance but I think I would prefer to just spend his cap space on someone else.

I'm done with Jett, and Goga played like he didn't care in the second half of the season.

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[tiderulz]

This is just my opinion, but no i dont think he fits what we need at PG
Not saying i wouldnt want him on the team, would be thrilled if we drafted him, but i just dont think weltman is thinking that way

The way i think they see if, and this was strengthened in my head after yesterday, is that Suggs is our PG, unquestioned. They didnt give up 4 1st for a SG if they thought suggs was gonna move back to SG. Suggs is THE GUY as long as hes here. So hes PG1. With Black not being included in the trade, you have to assume if we included him in the trade, we probably could of removed either the suns pick or '28+'30, they choose not to do that because they value him too much. hes the 6th man\PG2 and i think they feel hes a guy who could become the PG1 one day. so with those 2 set as the PGs, i doubt their thinking is a 3rd young pg. i think the 3rd PG will be an older vet on a league min type deal who can help these guys develop without taking away valuable playing time, much like CoJo last year. I think clayton would be adding more youth to a position that needs some vet leadership

I see either CoJo being brought back, and if not him, someone like him

why cant Clayton be the PG from the bench? because honestly, i dont see Black as a real PG. i see Black as our bench wing defender

Clayton is a converted SG just like Suggs and AB. Clayton didn’t convert until like his 4th year.

I’m not sure why people automatically think he will be a PG. His size is better at PG but he is in the same boat as the others.

you called it, because of his size. and he almost doubled his apg his senior year and switched, so there could be some run there.

[tiderulz]

This is just my opinion, but no i dont think he fits what we need at PG
Not saying i wouldnt want him on the team, would be thrilled if we drafted him, but i just dont think weltman is thinking that way

The way i think they see if, and this was strengthened in my head after yesterday, is that Suggs is our PG, unquestioned. They didnt give up 4 1st for a SG if they thought suggs was gonna move back to SG. Suggs is THE GUY as long as hes here. So hes PG1. With Black not being included in the trade, you have to assume if we included him in the trade, we probably could of removed either the suns pick or '28+'30, they choose not to do that because they value him too much. hes the 6th man\PG2 and i think they feel hes a guy who could become the PG1 one day. so with those 2 set as the PGs, i doubt their thinking is a 3rd young pg. i think the 3rd PG will be an older vet on a league min type deal who can help these guys develop without taking away valuable playing time, much like CoJo last year. I think clayton would be adding more youth to a position that needs some vet leadership

I see either CoJo being brought back, and if not him, someone like him

why cant Clayton be the PG from the bench? because honestly, i dont see Black as a real PG. i see Black as our bench wing defender

again im going off what im thinking weltman is thinking. He used the #6 pick on black, as a PG, and considering he ended the year on a high note, i dont think they are gonna move away from that now. AB was very raw when he was drafted, and is still developing and like i said, the fact that he wasnt included in the trade tells me alot about how they value him
Also, his skill set isnt really great for a SG

NOW, one scenario i could see is drafting clayton as a SG\bench scorer. With Black being big enough to guard 1-3, he could probably play PG on offense and then guard the SG on defense while clayton takes the PG?

Considering we dont have a legit SG off the bench, this could def be a possibility

I guess I just dont see Black as the PG because we signed and started Cory Joseph all in 1 year. Nothing ive really seen from Black the past 2 years screams PG.

[RichCollab]

why cant Clayton be the PG from the bench? because honestly, i dont see Black as a real PG. i see Black as our bench wing defender

Clayton is a converted SG just like Suggs and AB. Clayton didn’t convert until like his 4th year.

I’m not sure why people automatically think he will be a PG. His size is better at PG but he is in the same boat as the others.

you called it, because of his size. and he almost doubled his apg his senior year and switched, so there could be some run there.

Doesn’t make him an NBA PG. I don’t see it. Doesn’t have good court vision. I’m ok drafting him but I don’t think he is a PG at NBA level.

[three3d]

Clayton Jr showed one thing you can’t teach during the Gators March Madness Championship run, and that was his clutch gene. Every year he got better in college statistically, he’s worth a serious look.

[ucfmay2000]

Clayton Jr showed one thing you can’t teach during the Gators March Madness Championship run, and that was his clutch gene. Every year he got better in college statistically, he’s worth a serious look.

100% agree.

[Magic#1]

We obviously have a history of trading later picks so I wouldn't rule it out, but we need some cheaper players now. I'm guessing we take a low ceiling, high floor college player at 25. I'm in on Clayton too. I'd also be interested in Broome if he's there at 46. He's obviously got his limits, but that rebounding would translate. We could do a lot worse for a two-way big.