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Re: Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available 

Post#101 » by earthtone » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:30 pm

RapsFanInOhio wrote:They must feel like there’s an opportunity out there to really make a run for it if they’re considering making some consolidation trades this soon. I mean, the current roster as constructed is not a tax team and it is an improvement over what we’ve seen the last couple of seasons. Adding Ingram alone is going to give you a true scoring element that just hasn’t been there since Kawhi left, even if there is a huge amount of risk involved with his health. To be truthful, this roster as constructed probably isn’t good enough and a consolidation trade may be necessary, but we have almost never made a major move without seeing the constructed team on the court together, so I’m baffled as to why it is happening now. To further the point, this team actually showed signs of really competitiveness later in the season without Ingram playing a minute.

..unless it’s for Giannis. I wonder if that’s maybe what’s going on here. Sure, we’d be willing to trade Barrett / IQ and Poeltl for a Giannis package, but I can’t understand at all why you’d move any two of those guys in a KD deal. Poeltl and Barrett are as impactful to the roster as KD would be at his age, like it or not. He wasn’t good enough to carry Phoenix to the playoffs this season, so why would him coming here make much difference if you’re moving off of your starting PG or C.

A deal really may be imminent here though. Fischer and Stein have legitimate connections with us, and there was a ton of smoke about the Ingram deal before it happened. If it’s something like Barrett, Poeltl, and we move down from 9, I might be out on Masai permanently. A team with a gaping hole at center and no way to fix it isn’t winning anything.

That’s why I don’t think there’s much depth to these rumours, I’d be very surprised if a major trade happens.
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Post#102 » by ForeverTFC » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:33 pm

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Clutch0z24 wrote:Sounds like the deal we offered to Suns ....Yak/RJ or Quick/9th pick for KD/29th pick.....Sounds like we already made that offer for KD....Wonder if that will get it done but i won't be shocked if it does...


Nobody knows what actually was offered, if Toronto is actually offering anything. Please dont take rumours and present them as facts.


Thats deff a legit report....Them guys are in the know know in the NBA....These players are 100 percent on the table, and the 9th pick is on the table....Thats prolly the package we offered the Suns for KD based on this report....I won't be shocked if Suns take that offer as well...


Raptors players have always been on the table and Masai/Bobby have always been involved in trade talks and rumors.
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Post#103 » by Kurtz » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:34 pm

Myles Turner is probably out of reach, but we may be able to land Brook Lopez for the MLE if Poetl is shipped for KD.
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Post#104 » by ArthurVandelay » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:35 pm

PHX: RJ, Poeltl, #9
Heat: KD, #39, #52
Raptors: Wiggins, Slo-Mo, Ware, Jovic, #20, #29

I think I'd do that. Wiggins fits the roster better than Wiggins. Raptors in a better cap situation. 3 years of Ware on a rookie deal. Jovic is extension eligible and can shoot. Can continue to add depth with 20 and 29.

I think PHX does it. I doubt Heat do.
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Post#105 » by djsunyc » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:35 pm

Kurtz wrote:Myles Turner is probably out of reach, but we may be able to land Brook Lopez for the MLE if Poetl is shipped for KD.

brook is done as an everyday player.
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Post#106 » by XTC » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:38 pm

If PHX is willing to accept RJ/#9 and filler for Durant that is a great offer.

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Post#107 » by Tor_Raps » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:38 pm

Kurtz wrote:Myles Turner is probably out of reach, but we may be able to land Brook Lopez for the MLE if Poetl is shipped for KD.


Raptors need to sign a Center WITH Poeltl on the roster. Without him, you will definitely need to find two good C since neither of them will be as good as Poeltl.
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Post#108 » by navyblue » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:38 pm

ArthurVandelay wrote:PHX: RJ, Poeltl, #9
Heat: KD, #39, #52
Raptors: Wiggins, Slo-Mo, Ware, Jovic, #20, #29

I think I'd do that. Wiggins fits the roster better than Wiggins. Raptors in a better cap situation. 3 years of Ware on a rookie deal. Jovic is extension eligible and can shoot. Can continue to add depth with 20 and 29.

I think PHX does it. I doubt Heat do.

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Post#109 » by djsunyc » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:40 pm

it's fun being a part of all the rumors - gives us something to talk about.

my guess is that the players we targeted for that type of package do not want to come here. so those teams are leaking what was offered forcing other teams to up the ante.

as for #9...we are looking at a player that *may* crack the rotation and if they do, wont be more than 10-15 mins. that's probably a realistic expectation for next year. most likely is more than half the year at the 905. if the team's priority is post season, then it will need more established guys.


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Post#110 » by bboyskinnylegs » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:40 pm

what a weird place to be in. Spurs move up to 2, making that pick off limits in a KD deal. We fall to 9, but still ahead of Rockets at 10, Spurs at 14, and Miami at 20. Our starting C pretty much has to be in the deal for salary purposes because of the Suns cap situation and trade restrictions. If this goes down, I'm curious to see what follow up moves we make.
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Post#111 » by Kurtz » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:41 pm

djsunyc wrote:
Kurtz wrote:Myles Turner is probably out of reach, but we may be able to land Brook Lopez for the MLE if Poetl is shipped for KD.

brook is done as an everyday player.


Just because he couldn't hang with the Pacers this year? Not many Cs can. He still logged 32 mpg in the regular season with the Bucks this year.
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Post#112 » by Lord_Zedd » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:41 pm

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Kurtz wrote:Myles Turner is probably out of reach, but we may be able to land Brook Lopez for the MLE if Poetl is shipped for KD.


Raptors need to sign a Center WITH Poeltl on the roster. Without him, you will definitely need to find two good C since neither of them will be as good as Poeltl.


Which is partly why this trade makes no sense to begin with. We'd have to dumpster dive for two centers now that we have none.

Last time we cheaped out on a C, we ended up with a top 4 pick, so I guess there's some merit to this entire madness.
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Post#113 » by Brinbe » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:42 pm

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Brinbe wrote:Masai is def rooting around for a deal. Way too much smoke being reported. The question is if our offer even beats out what else is out there and if KD (or whomever) is even open to playing here. I'm sure he'd still prefer SA/Houston/Miami

I get the desperation to add a star and selling on some combo of RJ/IQ/Yak/9 isn't bad in theory but even assuming that does fetch KD we'd still be a far ways away from competing for anything as that roster is lopsided (whilst missing a C) and the window with an aging KD would be very short.

I can see Ja being an option but Memphis could probably get more in return in open bidding if he were available.


As reports suggest i don't think Suns or Raptors care if he is unhappy about playing there....I think Suns want the best offer and Raptors are willing to take the gamble.....As for if we have the best offer....We do have the best draft pick on the table at 9 and a player like Yak who they are looking for....IQ would be a good fit as well....

It all depends what other teams are offering...If Suns value a player around the 9th pick and a good C like Yak over Gobert with not much add ons, or a Kat with no real add ons....That could be a thing...But i think ontop of Yak we prolly have the best add ons in the deal with 9th/IQ...

I doubt Rockets are offering future firsts it sounds like its the 10th pick, Jalen Green + Filler....

As explained in prior post this is expliclty why Windy is being utilized as a public voice to get them to up their bids.

Of course this is a lot to give up for an aging KD, which is why the actual smart teams don't want to go there. He's a supplementary piece not a main course any longer.

Would be a dumb gamble on our end. KD is not that guy anymore.
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Post#114 » by Clutch0z24 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:42 pm

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Will Toronto actually go beyond all the noise about their willingness to gamble on Durant without a long-term contract commitment to make a determined push for KD?

Sources say that the Raptors would be willing to part with either RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley for a significant roster upgrade. Several
league figures with knowledge of the Raptors' thinking have likewise asserted that they could show a willingness to move center Jakob Poeltl as well ... provided that the trade in question brought back Durant.

The Raptors' No. 9 pick is also increasingly viewed as perhaps the most likely top-10 pick in the draft to be traded. My sense is that Toronto would prefer to simply trade down rather than trade out of the first-round completely. Perhaps there is some swap potential in a deal with Phoenix and the Suns' No. 29 overall selection.


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Lol ok with the Windy reporting this makes sense now. This is the Suns using as us leverage though Windy to get the Rockets/Spurs/ Heat to up their offers. Simple as that.

I don't know if there's an real threat of KD coming here but trading all of that for a one to three year KD rental would be pretty dumb but maybe they're that desperate to get a big name in-house.


Or that is our actual offer on the table and Suns are looking for a team to match or beat it still....Which is why this is still taking time because maybe these teams are unwilling to match the offer?...
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Post#115 » by Lord_Zedd » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:43 pm

ArthurVandelay wrote:PHX: RJ, Poeltl, #9
Heat: KD, #39, #52
Raptors: Wiggins, Slo-Mo, Ware, Jovic, #20, #29

I think I'd do that. Wiggins fits the roster better than Wiggins. Raptors in a better cap situation. 3 years of Ware on a rookie deal. Jovic is extension eligible and can shoot. Can continue to add depth with 20 and 29.

I think PHX does it. I doubt Heat do.


Why in gods name are we giving up the best pieces only to end up with Miami's trash?
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Post#116 » by Godaddycurse » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:44 pm

Lord_Zedd wrote:
ArthurVandelay wrote:PHX: RJ, Poeltl, #9
Heat: KD, #39, #52
Raptors: Wiggins, Slo-Mo, Ware, Jovic, #20, #29

I think I'd do that. Wiggins fits the roster better than Wiggins. Raptors in a better cap situation. 3 years of Ware on a rookie deal. Jovic is extension eligible and can shoot. Can continue to add depth with 20 and 29.

I think PHX does it. I doubt Heat do.


Why in gods name are we giving up the best pieces only to end up with Miami's trash?


Ware is not trash
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Post#117 » by WuTang_OG » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:44 pm

I dont want to give up #9 for 1 year of KD. The only upside is that they believe they have a good young group in Dick, JKW, Mogbo, Battle, Ochai and they think 1-2 could pop. And they probably thinking that the player at 9 isn’t anything special.

Who knows.

Maybe its all for smoke and PHX pumping this out today for all these guys to improve their offers and Masai comes out with someone we arent talking about
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Post#118 » by Brinbe » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:45 pm

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Brinbe wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
Read on Twitter

Lol ok with the Windy reporting this makes sense now. This is the Suns using as us leverage though Windy to get the Rockets/Spurs/ Heat to up their offers. Simple as that.

I don't know if there's an real threat of KD coming here but trading all of that for a one to three year KD rental would be pretty dumb but maybe they're that desperate to get a big name in-house.


Or that is our actual offer on the table and Suns are looking for a team to match or beat it still....Which is why this is still taking time because maybe these teams are unwilling to match the offer?...

You're repeating exactly what I just said :lol:

The entire holdup is that KD in fact would probably prefer not to come here as we're not close to competing for anything. He'd probably prefer to just stay in Phoenix
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Post#119 » by Tor_Raps » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:45 pm

Lord_Zedd wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
Kurtz wrote:Myles Turner is probably out of reach, but we may be able to land Brook Lopez for the MLE if Poetl is shipped for KD.


Raptors need to sign a Center WITH Poeltl on the roster. Without him, you will definitely need to find two good C since neither of them will be as good as Poeltl.


Which is partly why this trade makes no sense to begin with. We'd have to dumpster dive for two centers now that we have none.

Last time we cheaped out on a C, we ended up with a top 4 pick, so I guess there's some merit to this entire madness.


Exactly... I am against any Durant trade unless we steal him for little (doubtful) where we have enough assets to find viable starting and backup Centers.

Raptors are in a position to begin their playoff window next year with hopes of turning into a true contender in the years after. Why would we throw all that away for 1 season of KD at age 37 lol.
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Post#120 » by Clutch0z24 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:48 pm

Brinbe wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:
Brinbe wrote:Lol ok with the Windy reporting this makes sense now. This is the Suns using as us leverage though Windy to get the Rockets/Spurs/ Heat to up their offers. Simple as that.

I don't know if there's an real threat of KD coming here but trading all of that for a one to three year KD rental would be pretty dumb but maybe they're that desperate to get a big name in-house.


Or that is our actual offer on the table and Suns are looking for a team to match or beat it still....Which is why this is still taking time because maybe these teams are unwilling to match the offer?...

You're repeating exactly what I just said :lol:


Yep but if no team is willing to come correct there is still a very high chance Suns just accept our offer....Which would be 9/Yak/IQ i think....I can see Timberwolves being the only team willing to match the offer by putting Gobert ...But i don't think Wolves have better add ons than 9th pick/IQ....So all depends what Suns value here...
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