Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[Potential]

Ja would be fun but hell no. He's too skinny and injury prone. Even if he were healthy how would we guard Indiana?

[Jadoogar]

isn't everyone outside of Jokic/Giannis/SGA available for a significant upgrade? The phrasing isn't really news

[Tor_Raps]

isn't everyone outside of Jokic/Giannis/SGA available for a significant upgrade? The phrasing isn't really news

Ya but not every team is actively engaging with teams trying to make a deal happen with a particular package.

[Brinbe]

Or that is our actual offer on the table and Suns are looking for a team to match or beat it still....Which is why this is still taking time because maybe these teams are unwilling to match the offer?...

You're repeating exactly what I just said

Yep but if no team is willing to come correct there is still a very high chance Suns just accept our offer....Which would be 9/Yak/IQ i think....I can see Timberwolves being the only team willing to match the offer by putting Gobert ...But i don't think Wolves have better add ons than 9th pick/IQ....So all depends what Suns value here...

I think Yak/RJ/9 was the rumor a few weeks ago, right? Though it doesn't make any difference salary wise, trading IQ would require even more work after-the-fact down their starting PG and C

[Raptors_128]

Masai is going to do something stupid to justify his contract.

I can definitely see Rogers not re-signing him and removing the position completely like they did with Shanny and the Leafs.

[Jadoogar]

isn't everyone outside of Jokic/Giannis/SGA available for a significant upgrade? The phrasing isn't really news

Ya but not every team is actively engaging with teams trying to make a deal happen with a particular package.

And i think this is the right thing to do.
We're not going to be bad enough to tank next year. Other than Poeltl, these guys are replaceable. RJ is too duplicative of Scottie and Ingram. I understand the hesitance with KD's age, but the East is fairly wide open. You're telling me a core of KD (or Morant)/Scottie and Ingram can't make the ECFs?

[Tacoma]

IQ being moved would actually surprise me - feels like his value is at an all-time low and is only going to improve especially with his contact being flat.

This is the correct take, unless it was for someone like Garland who is a straight up upgrade, but I don't see it happening.

I think Masai knows we are not getting our guy at #9 - Khaman Maluach

We won't. #9 is a weak pick. Malauch is going 6 or 7 at the latest.

Dropping to #9 in a half-assed tank year is just another unfortunate outcome of years of missteps by the FO. Talk earlier this thread of trading for Edey reminds that he was available when our pick came up at #8 in 2024 draft but we lost that pick in the Poeltl trade. We traded for Poeltl to reunite with Siakam & FVV to aim for the playoffs, which we have failed to do every year since the trade, and both Siakam & FVV are gone.

So if we trade Poeltl now, then his time here accomplished nothing. We then turned the pages to BBQ but at end tanked both seasons since then. Then we added often-injured Ingram that offered hope, but now there's much noise of trading anyone, maybe everyone, for that big fish. Clear as mud. We've been running rudderless for the past 5 years throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks. It feels a lot like the Colangelo years.

[Clutch0z24]

You're repeating exactly what I just said

Yep but if no team is willing to come correct there is still a very high chance Suns just accept our offer....Which would be 9/Yak/IQ i think....I can see Timberwolves being the only team willing to match the offer by putting Gobert ...But i don't think Wolves have better add ons than 9th pick/IQ....So all depends what Suns value here...

I think Yak/RJ/9 was the rumor a few weeks ago, right? Though it doesn't make any difference salary wise, trading IQ would require even more work after-the-fact down their starting PG and C

Yep i am not saying what i want or what i think will happen im going off this report and what its suggesting we are in fact offering for KD....All things point to us offering 9/Yak/IQ....If its enough to get the deal done is yet to be seen....But Masai is willing to do that deal so he must have some idea to filling the holes after....Or at least id hope...

[ArthurVandelay]

PHX: RJ, Poeltl, #9
Heat: KD, #39, #52
Raptors: Wiggins, Slo-Mo, Ware, Jovic, #20, #29

I think I'd do that. Wiggins fits the roster better than Wiggins. Raptors in a better cap situation. 3 years of Ware on a rookie deal. Jovic is extension eligible and can shoot. Can continue to add depth with 20 and 29.

I think PHX does it. I doubt Heat do.

Sorry I have an irrational affinity for Ware and Jovic.

[WuTang_OG]

Also if PHX was smart they would deal Booker to Houston and get their picks back. I still think HOU wins KD but because Phx Wants players to surround Booker, thats why TOR is in the convo.

[SpezNc]

I dont want to give up #9 for 1 year of KD. The only upside is that they believe they have a good young group in Dick, JKW, Mogbo, Battle, Ochai and they think 1-2 could pop. And they probably thinking that the player at 9 isn’t anything special.

Who knows.

Maybe its all for smoke and PHX pumping this out today for all these guys to improve their offers and Masai comes out with someone we arent talking about

I think it’s a bit of everything.

The front office may not value pick #9 that much . Or maybe pick #9 was briefly discussed but with no real substance or firmly offered. But Suns want Houston to give up #10 using informal discussions they had with Toronto.

Should Poeltl be included in a trade maybe Masai and Bobby already has alternatives

Maybe the front office already sour on Quickley and want to move on from that contract without giving too much noise. Or maybe his name was just out there to provide options to the Suns but don’t really want to move him

Maybe the FO like a player later in the draft but #9 is too soon. Maybe they think pick #29 is a good spot

Maybe the FO wants to make sure our season tickets holder renews but they don’t really plan to do a move. But Ed Rogers is bugging the front office to generate more revenues.

I still think that doing NO MOVE, keep #9 and revisit next trade deadline is the boring but arguably more reasonable path here.

[TimeForChange]

I love watching Ja when he’s on but I would hate to have him on my team.

With that said, I would do RJ for Ja and move IQ to SG.

I would not trade IQ for Ja because a Ja RJ backcourt doesn’t work.

[ArthurVandelay]

PHX: RJ, Poeltl, #9
Heat: KD, #39, #52
Raptors: Wiggins, Slo-Mo, Ware, Jovic, #20, #29

I think I'd do that. Wiggins fits the roster better than Wiggins. Raptors in a better cap situation. 3 years of Ware on a rookie deal. Jovic is extension eligible and can shoot. Can continue to add depth with 20 and 29.

I think PHX does it. I doubt Heat do.

Why in gods name are we giving up the best pieces only to end up with Miami's trash?

Wiggins fits roster better than RJ and salaries/years are basically a wash. Gives Raptors some breathing room with a Poeltl extension coming.

As mentioned to someone else, I have irrational affinity for Ware and Jovic. I’m probably undervaluing the Raptors assets.

[Tor_Raps]

Also if PHX was smart they would deal Booker to Houston and get their picks back. I still think HOU wins KD but because Phx Wants players to surround Booker, thats why TOR is in the convo.

Can you find any trade where it makes for Houston to match Durants contract + give up picks? I checked and Houston just giving up the players to match contracts should be enough to get a deal done.

[navyblue]

Also if PHX was smart they would deal Booker to Houston and get their picks back. I still think HOU wins KD but because Phx Wants players to surround Booker, thats why TOR is in the convo.

Can you find any trade where it makes for Houston to match Durants contract + give up picks? I checked and Houston just giving up the players to match contracts should be enough to get a deal done.

if they pick up fvv option.

[Brinbe]

Yep but if no team is willing to come correct there is still a very high chance Suns just accept our offer....Which would be 9/Yak/IQ i think....I can see Timberwolves being the only team willing to match the offer by putting Gobert ...But i don't think Wolves have better add ons than 9th pick/IQ....So all depends what Suns value here...

I think Yak/RJ/9 was the rumor a few weeks ago, right? Though it doesn't make any difference salary wise, trading IQ would require even more work after-the-fact down their starting PG and C

Yep i am not saying what i want or what i think will happen im going off this report and what its suggesting we are in fact offering for KD....All things point to us offering 9/Yak/IQ....If its enough to get the deal done is yet to be seen....But Masai is willing to do that deal so he must have some idea to filling the holes after....Or at least id hope...

Well, the Suns can't include anyone else in the trade as they're a 2nd apron team, so it'd be either RJ or IQ. Maybe they probably would prefer IQ but then RJ/Walter/Ochai/Battle/Gradey is a bench glut so you're then trading some of that off for a starting PG (unless they feel Shead is that?) and starting C.

[bboyskinnylegs]

while either could work, I think the deal we're discussing for KD is RJ+Yak+#9. Suns would probably want to reduce their 2nd apron money as much as possible, and RJ is an extra $5M in freed capspace for them (plus shorter contract compared to IQ). Plus logistically we don't have to make as many followup trades if we deal RJ instead of IQ.

[Brinbe]

Also if PHX was smart they would deal Booker to Houston and get their picks back. I still think HOU wins KD but because Phx Wants players to surround Booker, thats why TOR is in the convo.

From their POV adding Yak, IQ and Carter Bryant to Booker isn't too bad.

[Tor_Raps]

Also if PHX was smart they would deal Booker to Houston and get their picks back. I still think HOU wins KD but because Phx Wants players to surround Booker, thats why TOR is in the convo.

Can you find any trade where it makes for Houston to match Durants contract + give up picks? I checked and Houston just giving up the players to match contracts should be enough to get a deal done.

if they pick up fvv option.

They need to keep FVV since they have 0 starting PGs on the roster for a team looking to contend with KD.

It would have to be Green + Smith + Landale and im not sure if this would require any additional picks to be included. Maybe 1 of their 1sts just to accept Landale.

[WuTang_OG]

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