2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2

[lastb1ckman]

Bane is much lower on the scouting report than Herro and is doesnt have the ball handling Herro does. If Bane was in Herro's position this season, we'd likely not have even been a play in team. Its the same situation as with Reeves on the Lakers. Bane is going to a great situation with Franz and Paolo drawing all the attention. Thats his ideal role. (Even thought the Magic wayyyyy over paid)

Youre seriously giving credit to Herro for leading us to a .450 record this season like thats an accomplishment?

Ill tell you one thing for sure, Ty Jerome isnt clamping Bane and scoring 25 on him either.

Yeah because they have to worry about Ja Morant and Jaren Jackson first. Thats the point I'm making. People keep propping up SGs who are third options over Herro when he has the attention of the entire opposing team on him at all times all season long. And even then its not like he any less efficient than these guys either! Averaging 5 more points per game on similar TS%. With Reaves he has either had freaking Anthony Davis/Lebron or Lebron/Luka drawing all the attention. This season Herro either had mentally checked out Jimmy or Bam dealing with the worst shooting slump of his entire career next to him. Do you really think if we switched Desmond Bane with Herro this season, he'd have had a better season?

[Kobewade11]

I’m still trying to figure out the offer that beats Wiggins, Jovic or JJJ and 20th pick along with salary relief. Who’s giving up a prospect of Ware’s magnitude in any of these deals? And who are the young prospects? Dillingham and the 17th pick is probably the counter right now.

And Dillingham is a 6’1 guard with a slight build that couldnt get off the bench for Minnesota. What are we even talking about here

[SA37]

lol where did I predict Ware to be an All-Star? Please advise.

I’m just not overly thirsty to throw anything and everything out the door for Durant’s last legs (and this is coming from someone who has consistently pushed back against those acting like Durant would be anything less than a great acquisition).

Lines in sand.

You seem to be suggesting it, but you can clarify. Do think Ware is going to be a perennial all-star, perennial all-NBA guy Miami could potentially build its team around at some point in his career?

I think he has potential. None of this stuff is certain. But, the effects of him realizing his potential are exponential impact as a force multiplier.

I also place a lot of value and importance on the dynamics that actually impact team building and acquiring rare skillsets. Contract makeups, leveraging value contracts, future planning with trade capital and draft assets, etc.

I mostly just wholly reject a decisionmaking process that is primarily rooted in limiting analysis to something like "KD good today and Ware not as good today so not trading Ware for KD is not good".

Getting too thirsty for these gambles results in getting the player and not being positioned to do anything with said player.

It's so far from being all about Ware for me, as I've clearly laid out in my posts if you pay attention. Cost of acquisition. Lines in sand.

No, nothing is guaranteed, but you take calculated risks. The goal at all times is to create a championship contender, not to excel at mid-level management. KD makes Miami a legitimate force to make a run to the ECF/Finals like it did during Butler's years in Miami. Ware does not, and he may never be that guy.

How good and impactful Ware will be is key to the analysis of whether it makes sense to include him in a Durant trade or not. If you trade Ware away and he becomes Wemby, Miami will look dumb if Miami never gets close to sniffing the ECF/Finals. If Miami passes on KD only to watch Ware become Tyson Chandler, Miami will look dumb.

If Miami passes on KD for Ware, then we're talking about a fundamentally different direction for Miami. It becomes about long-term team building and not about making Miami a contender now. At the end of the day, this is the decision that Miami has to make.

[lastb1ckman]

Tyler makes front page of Fox News, SMH.

These guys should know the media looks for anything to make you look like your crazy.

Did Tyler have any role in making himself look crazy/dumb?

I mean the words came out of his mouth lol. Just another reminder to take what athletes say about non athletic topics with a grain of salt. Hell, some times even being a good nba player doesn't mean you can be a good coach or draft expert. Demarcus Cousins said Ace Bailey should be the number 1 pick, and is the closest thing to Tracy McGrady lol

[SA37]

I’m still trying to figure out the offer that beats Wiggins, Jovic or JJJ and 20th pick along with salary relief. Who’s giving up a prospect of Ware’s magnitude in any of these deals? And who are the young prospects? Dillingham and the 17th pick is probably the counter right now.

And Dillingham is a 6’1 guard with a slight build that couldnt get off the bench for Minnesota. What are we even talking about here

Reed Sheppard didn't get off the bench for Houston. Point guards tend to take longer to develop, so there's that.

In games where Dillingham got 20+ minutes he was reasonably productive, like ~12ppg 4rpg 5apg roughly. As always, talent evaluation is a guessing game and also a function of the system players can excel in.

Jaquez regressed, Jovic didn't excel and dealt with injuries. Dillingham has more mystery, and mystery sells in the talent acquisition world.

[greg4012]

You seem to be suggesting it, but you can clarify. Do think Ware is going to be a perennial all-star, perennial all-NBA guy Miami could potentially build its team around at some point in his career?

I think he has potential. None of this stuff is certain. But, the effects of him realizing his potential are exponential impact as a force multiplier.

I also place a lot of value and importance on the dynamics that actually impact team building and acquiring rare skillsets. Contract makeups, leveraging value contracts, future planning with trade capital and draft assets, etc.

I mostly just wholly reject a decisionmaking process that is primarily rooted in limiting analysis to something like "KD good today and Ware not as good today so not trading Ware for KD is not good".

Getting too thirsty for these gambles results in getting the player and not being positioned to do anything with said player.

It's so far from being all about Ware for me, as I've clearly laid out in my posts if you pay attention. Cost of acquisition. Lines in sand.

No, nothing is guaranteed, but you take calculated risks. The goal at all times is to create a championship contender, not to excel at mid-level management. KD makes Miami a legitimate force to make a run to the ECF/Finals like it did during Butler's years in Miami. Ware does not, and he may never be that guy.

How good and impactful Ware will be is key to the analysis of whether it makes sense to include him in a Durant trade or not. If you trade Ware away and he becomes Wemby, Miami will look dumb if Miami never gets close to sniffing the ECF/Finals. If Miami passes on KD only to watch Ware become Tyson Chandler, Miami will look dumb.

If Miami passes on KD for Ware, then we're talking about a fundamentally different direction for Miami. It becomes about long-term team building and not about making Miami a contender now. At the end of the day, this is the decision that Miami has to make.

There's always another shot to take.

It's funny bc I've been one of the people on here making a strong case for KD's impact in Miami. But, you seem to be even higher than me on it (and in parallel lower on Ware's potential than me).

Please make the case for Miami giving up Ware + Wiggins (and draft capital that PHX has seemingly called for) and being the legitimate force to make a run to the ECF/Finals. If Miami is giving all of that up, where's a second move coming? Or do you think a power rotation of Bam, Jovic, and KD puts each in the right position to be maximized for their own impact and to help their teammates (as we all know, the frontcourt NEEDS to do most of the people moving for a decent team)? Where is any additional playmaking or guard rotation help coming from? Is Russell Westbrook or 40-year old Chris Paul the big second move?

Everything else about trying to make this squarely a convo about Ware vs KD is needless distraction.

PS: you're loving the Tyson Chandler comp for Ware lately. Fun fact--Ware scored at a higher rate as a rookie than Tyson Chandler did in any of his 19 seasons in the NBA

[MettaWorldPanda]

I’m still trying to figure out the offer that beats Wiggins, Jovic or JJJ and 20th pick along with salary relief. Who’s giving up a prospect of Ware’s magnitude in any of these deals? And who are the young prospects? Dillingham and the 17th pick is probably the counter right now.

And Dillingham is a 6’1 guard with a slight build that couldnt get off the bench for Minnesota. What are we even talking about here

Suns desperately need a young PG as much as they do a Center. It could be why talking heads are saying they are in the lead. They might want Dilly over JJJ or Jovic. Might be pressing Heat for both JJJ and Jovic or Ware. Dilly was selected 8th overall and like poster just stated still has level of mystery. 17th pick might also be a sweet spot for the C Thomas Sorbor.

[lastb1ckman]

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As if the net result from trading away a 37-year old on an expiring deal should be excitement after mortgaging your franchise’s future and constructing an ill-fitting nba2k lineup and operating from a compromised financial position.

We weren’t excited with our return for Jimmy either.

Yeah he's still dope, but the runway he has left is shorter than it was when he got it. Hell, he could fall off next season and it would make sense cause he's 37!

[Kobewade11]

I’m still trying to figure out the offer that beats Wiggins, Jovic or JJJ and 20th pick along with salary relief. Who’s giving up a prospect of Ware’s magnitude in any of these deals? And who are the young prospects? Dillingham and the 17th pick is probably the counter right now.

And Dillingham is a 6’1 guard with a slight build that couldnt get off the bench for Minnesota. What are we even talking about here

Reed Sheppard didn't get off the bench for Houston. Point guards tend to take longer to develop, so there's that.

In games where Dillingham got 20+ minutes he was reasonably productive, like ~12ppg 4rpg 5apg roughly. As always, talent evaluation is a guessing game and also a function of the system players can excel in.

Jaquez regressed, Jovic didn't excel and dealt with injuries. Dillingham has more mystery, and mystery sells in the talent acquisition world.

You know what will sell in Arizona?

[MettaWorldPanda]

And Dillingham is a 6’1 guard with a slight build that couldnt get off the bench for Minnesota. What are we even talking about here

Reed Sheppard didn't get off the bench for Houston. Point guards tend to take longer to develop, so there's that.

In games where Dillingham got 20+ minutes he was reasonably productive, like ~12ppg 4rpg 5apg roughly. As always, talent evaluation is a guessing game and also a function of the system players can excel in.

Jaquez regressed, Jovic didn't excel and dealt with injuries. Dillingham has more mystery, and mystery sells in the talent acquisition world.

You know what will sell in Arizona?

I agree. Think Jaquez Jr in Phoenix would sell big time with there heavy Mexican community.

[lastb1ckman]

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What is he saying? Play him next to Wiggins? So trade someone else instead? After the season Wiggins just had?

[greg4012]

legit question: did anybody see defense from Wiggins in Miami this season that moved the needle at all?

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[EMC5466]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

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I’m not sure why anyone listens to this fans suggestions.

[oreon]

Tyler makes front page of Fox News, SMH.

These guys should know the media looks for anything to make you look like your crazy.

Did Tyler have any role in making himself look crazy/dumb?

I mean the words came out of his mouth lol. Just another reminder to take what athletes say about non athletic topics with a grain of salt. Hell, some times even being a good nba player doesn't mean you can be a good coach or draft expert. Demarcus Cousins said Ace Bailey should be the number 1 pick, and is the closest thing to Tracy McGrady lol

Nah people are taking what he said too seriously. Dude was shooting sheet with his boys. People have dumb conversations like that all the time.
It's our society today and the media are wired to take innocuous statements and weaponize them.

You mention something, and people make a connection about something else that wasn't part of your point and now you are either racist, sexist or whatever

It's over the top and no wonder everyone is so politicized today.

People need to take some stuff as they are. That's was a dumb convo on a stream. It was a nothing burger. No need to make it about something more serious

[SoFlaKingReal]

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I’m not sure why anyone listens to this fans suggestions.

Spo did seem pretty friendly with Vucevic after the play-in game.

[Daffy]

I'm slowly getting ready mentally to deal with us not acquiring KD.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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I’m not sure why anyone listens to this fans suggestions.

Spo did seem pretty friendly with Vucevic after the play-in game.

Vucevic gave Spo a handshake and said great job.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Shams on McAfee said Grizzlies are fully invested in JJJ and Morant. Said they fired the coach to appease Morant. He’s staying put

[3ammy3uck3ts]

legit question: did anybody see defense from Wiggins in Miami this season that moved the needle at all?

None at all.