Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

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This front office was completely comfortable trading a pick that could land as low as 7th, albeit in a bad draft, for a roleplaying C. We've traded a first almost every year for a variety of far smaller trades.

This FO is one of the better drafting orgs in the last decade...that just hates to have draft picks.

Masai would absolutely throw in 9 for KD. He's probably shocked he hasn't traded it already.

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[PushDaRock]

PHX: RJ, Poeltl, #9
Heat: KD, #39, #52
Raptors: Wiggins, Slo-Mo, Ware, Jovic, #20, #29

I think I'd do that. Wiggins fits the roster better than Wiggins. Raptors in a better cap situation. 3 years of Ware on a rookie deal. Jovic is extension eligible and can shoot. Can continue to add depth with 20 and 29.

I think PHX does it. I doubt Heat do.

This might be the worst trade I've ever seen proposed on here.

[MiamiSPX]

Raps' name is being used as leverage. As soon as Dame said no to Toronto, the Raps backed off right away. Suns can say they will deal him to whomever offers the best package, but that is not true at all. Durant scuttled the deal at the deadline to GS and will go to a desired destination. Suns just don't like the current offers and want them improved.

Look at Durant's desired list. It's obvious what he wants.

[LoveMyRaps]

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No mention of Toronto LETS GOOOOOOO

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These reports make no sense to me. We need to see if this team can actually win games together before giving up draft capital for a 37 year old that is surely chasing rings.

[RapsFanInOhio]

If PHX is willing to accept RJ/#9 and filler for Durant that is a great offer.

IQ
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Won’t work without adding Poeltl to match salaries. It’s going to be at min Poeltl and RJ or IQ and pick(s).

RJ always felt like a temporary stopgap so not surprised if he’s the one being offered with Poeltl. This creates a big hole at the 5 though, so Masai must have some plan to acquire a 5 if Suns accept.

I find it too risky if it’s a one year deal. We’re not winning a Championship with that roster, but at the same time, maybe Masai doesn’t plan to resign either of Poeltl or RJ. One thing that’s forgotten about the Derozan for Kawhi deal is that Masai was probably ready to trade Derozan for scraps at that point. He only makes these type of deals if his plan imo is to move away from a certain player. It’s easier to make a one year rental play for a star when the players you give up aren’t players you want to sign to bigger deals.

Poeltl just had his best season as a pro - we literally had to sit him so we could lose games last year. The team has also had historical difficulty filling the center position.

I get the concern about giving him a huge contract when he can’t space the floor. But there is no easy way to replace that production, and you just gave up a first for him not that long ago.

It reeks of no plan. Get superstar, ????, profit.

That doesn’t sound like Masai to me.

[Pointgod]

This front office was completely comfortable trading a pick that could land as low as 7th, albeit in a bad draft, for a roleplaying C. We've traded a first almost every year for a variety of far smaller trades.

This FO is one of the better drafting orgs in the last decade...that just hates to have draft picks.

Masai would absolutely throw in 9 for KD. He's probably shocked he hasn't traded it already.

It literally boggles the mind that this front office refuses to lean in on their competitive advantage

[Randle McMurphy]

Raps' name is being used as leverage. As soon as Dame said no to Toronto, the Raps backed off right away. Suns can say they will deal him to whomever offers the best package, but that is not true at all. Durant scuttled the deal at the deadline to GS and will go to a desired destination. Suns just don't like the current offers and want them improved.

Look at Durant's desired list. It's obvious what he wants.

Kawhi didn’t want to go to the Raptors either. It didn’t cause them to back off.

[PushDaRock]

This front office was completely comfortable trading a pick that could land as low as 7th, albeit in a bad draft, for a roleplaying C. We've traded a first almost every year for a variety of far smaller trades.

This FO is one of the better drafting orgs in the last decade...that just hates to have draft picks.

Masai would absolutely throw in 9 for KD. He's probably shocked he hasn't traded it already.

I'm sure he just hates having young and cheap controllable assets

[WuTang_CMB]

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[Brinbe]

Raps' name is being used as leverage. As soon as Dame said no to Toronto, the Raps backed off right away. Suns can say they will deal him to whomever offers the best package, but that is not true at all. Durant scuttled the deal at the deadline to GS and will go to a desired destination. Suns just don't like the current offers and want them improved.

Look at Durant's desired list. It's obvious what he wants.

That's what it looks like but their desire is seemingly real. Maybe they think that 9+Yak+RJ/IQ for KD+29 is worth the one year rental and headache of an unhappy KD

[DreamTeam09]

This front office was completely comfortable trading a pick that could land as low as 7th, albeit in a bad draft, for a roleplaying C. We've traded a first almost every year for a variety of far smaller trades.

This FO is one of the better drafting orgs in the last decade...that just hates to have draft picks.

Masai would absolutely throw in 9 for KD. He's probably shocked he hasn't traded it already.

It literally boggles the mind that this front office refuses to lean in on their competitive advantage

We traded a first for Jak, the team holding our draft selection immediately punted that pick for future consideration.

We also traded down 10 spots from 20 to 31 -

We acquired 3 first for Pascal / used one to select Jakobe, used one in a trade for former lotto pick Ochai and then sent the one that wasn't in our control for Ingram.

Acting like we mortgage our future constantly to fit the narrative that we don't value 1st or something is just flat out false

[niQ]

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Sooo, out of all the teams interested. The only team he singled out with no desire to play with was the Timberwolves.

#WeTheWildCard

[WuTang_CMB]

This front office was completely comfortable trading a pick that could land as low as 7th, albeit in a bad draft, for a roleplaying C. We've traded a first almost every year for a variety of far smaller trades.

This FO is one of the better drafting orgs in the last decade...that just hates to have draft picks.

Masai would absolutely throw in 9 for KD. He's probably shocked he hasn't traded it already.

I'm sure he just hates having young and cheap controllable assets

No, I just generally think he hates the traditional rebuild since they always run into problems, hence why it's been "different" in this process vs other teams that do it. He found value in a BI deal and did it because it adds talent to the group and speeds up the process.

His bread and butter is having a playoff team while developing players along the way selected outside the lottery just as he did during Lowry/Demar years. That's who he is and how he builds teams. He's not Presti.

Each draft is different, I think if he thought #9 could produce an all-star type, he'd keep it.

[NotMyKawhi]

This front office was completely comfortable trading a pick that could land as low as 7th, albeit in a bad draft, for a roleplaying C. We've traded a first almost every year for a variety of far smaller trades.

This FO is one of the better drafting orgs in the last decade...that just hates to have draft picks.

Masai would absolutely throw in 9 for KD. He's probably shocked he hasn't traded it already.

It literally boggles the mind that this front office refuses to lean in on their competitive advantage

We traded a first for Jak, the team holding our draft selection immediately punted that pick for future consideration.

We also traded down 10 spots from 20 to 31 -

We acquired 3 first for Pascal / used one to select Jakobe, used one in a trade for former lotto pick Ochai and then sent the one that wasn't in our control for Ingram.

Acting like we mortgage our future constantly to fit the narrative that we don't value 1st or something is just flat out false

I agree! With Mu's draft history 20 or higher, id argue we should be trading more picks.

[ArthurVandelay]

PHX: RJ, Poeltl, #9
Heat: KD, #39, #52
Raptors: Wiggins, Slo-Mo, Ware, Jovic, #20, #29

I think I'd do that. Wiggins fits the roster better than Wiggins. Raptors in a better cap situation. 3 years of Ware on a rookie deal. Jovic is extension eligible and can shoot. Can continue to add depth with 20 and 29.

I think PHX does it. I doubt Heat do.

This might be the worst trade I've ever seen proposed on here.

That is harsh

[PushDaRock]

PHX: RJ, Poeltl, #9
Heat: KD, #39, #52
Raptors: Wiggins, Slo-Mo, Ware, Jovic, #20, #29

I think I'd do that. Wiggins fits the roster better than Wiggins. Raptors in a better cap situation. 3 years of Ware on a rookie deal. Jovic is extension eligible and can shoot. Can continue to add depth with 20 and 29.

I think PHX does it. I doubt Heat do.

This might be the worst trade I've ever seen proposed on here.

That is harsh

I say that with all due respect of course lol

[ForeverTFC]

These reports make no sense to me. We need to see if this team can actually win games together before giving up draft capital for a 37 year old that is surely chasing rings.

Unless I missed it, that's what the reports are. There are 2 separate reports:
1. Raptors lurking for Durant
2. Raptors open to moving number 9

Not sure why people are putting them together. I can't imagine us moving out of the draft for Durant. I can see us moving into the teens and getting back a future 1st, and then using one of those to trade for Durant and 29.

[S.W.A.N]

Raps' name is being used as leverage. As soon as Dame said no to Toronto, the Raps backed off right away. Suns can say they will deal him to whomever offers the best package, but that is not true at all. Durant scuttled the deal at the deadline to GS and will go to a desired destination. Suns just don't like the current offers and want them improved.

Look at Durant's desired list. It's obvious what he wants.

That's what it looks like but their desire is seemingly real. Maybe they think that 9+Yak+RJ/IQ for KD+29 is worth the one year rental and headache of an unhappy KD

Yup. Teams know our history and can't pretend we won't pull the trigger on a potential rental.

I'm a little queasy at the package required to get Durant...Which probably means its a fair trade.

But I honestly think this won't matter Miami will buckle and put Ware in the deal. They need this trade. And Houston holds all the cards they can make a deal any time they want.

That all said. I'm looking at free agent centers. Do we want Clint Capela or Luke Kornet??