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[toooskies]

This post is going to haunt me this summer.

Hahaha why?

When we are inevitably in conversations to bring him to Cleveland as a FA

I feel like Simmons wouldn't/shouldn't play for the league minimum. For a guy who made a ton of money he's better off doing other things with his life than stick around and be the butt of jokes in the NBA.

[jbk1234]

Now Ben Simmons agrees to play back-up 5, how convenient lol

This post is going to haunt me this summer.

Hahaha why?

Because Allen was a bit of a spent force by Game 4 and we really could've used him to give Allen more rest. Simmons is kind of the perfect fit off the bench against a 5 out team.

[JujitsuFlip]

This post is going to haunt me this summer.

Hahaha why?

Because Allen was a bit of a spent force by Game 4 and we really could've used him to give Allen more rest. Simmons is kind of the perfect fit off the bench against a 5 out team.

Ah gotcha, yeah, woulda been nice. Idk why he refused to play back-up 5 here but was fine with it in LA.

[jbk1234]

Hahaha why?

Because Allen was a bit of a spent force by Game 4 and we really could've used him to give Allen more rest. Simmons is kind of the perfect fit off the bench against a 5 out team.

Ah gotcha, yeah, woulda been nice. Idk why he refused to play back-up 5 here but was fine with it in LA.

He was long rumored to have preferred CA as a destination and I think the Clippers told him whatever was necessary to get him on board.

[jbk1234]

I can't believe the Pacers did it again.

[JujitsuFlip]

I can't believe the Pacers did it again.

I work with 2 Knicks fans, they were devastated this morning.

Knicks will find out, game 2 will be a must win.

Only up 1 with 6 minutes to go, Cavs needed to find a way to win game 1 on their home floor.

Game 2, the refs and injuries did not help but up 7 with a minute to go, we gotta win that.

If Knicks somehow drop game 2, they will see how deep of a hole that truly is, heading back to indianpolois.

[jbk1234]

I can't believe the Pacers did it again.

I work with 2 Knicks fans, they were devastated this morning.

Knicks will find out, game 2 will be a must win.

Only up 1 with 6 minutes to go, Cavs needed to find a way to win game 1 on their home floor.

Game 2, the refs and injuries did not help but up 7 with a minute to go, we gotta win that.

If Knicks somehow drop game 2, they will see how deep of a hole that truly is, heading back to indianpolois.

That Knicks meltdown was worse than anything the Cavs experienced. First off, the Knicks were completely healthy. Second, they let Nesmith shoot and make FIVE 3 pointers in a row. Third, Haliburton ran the EXACT SAME drive and back out ISO 3 he ran on Ty to end the game and the Knicks still bit. The Knicks had the benefit of seeing it before hand.

[JonFromVA]

I can't believe the Pacers did it again.

I work with 2 Knicks fans, they were devastated this morning.

Knicks will find out, game 2 will be a must win.

Only up 1 with 6 minutes to go, Cavs needed to find a way to win game 1 on their home floor.

Game 2, the refs and injuries did not help but up 7 with a minute to go, we gotta win that.

If Knicks somehow drop game 2, they will see how deep of a hole that truly is, heading back to indianpolois.

That Knicks meltdown was worse than anything the Cavs experienced. First off, the Knicks were completely healthy. Second, they let Nesmith shoot and make FIVE 3 pointers in a row. Third, Haliburton ran the EXACT SAME drive and back out ISO 3 he ran on Ty to end the game and the Knicks still bit. The Knicks had the benefit of seeing it before hand.

We were extra susceptible in game 2 not just because of the injuries themselves but because we had to extend minutes too. Thibs, otoh, always plays his core guys a ton of minutes. It's just Brunson usually bails them out and would have if Nesmith missed even one of those 3's.

We need to think long and hard this off-season why our shooting dropped off at the end of the season and in to the playoffs, why these injuries linger and keep getting re-aggravated, and if/how we might help our players compensate for them.

[JujitsuFlip]

I can't believe the Pacers did it again.

I work with 2 Knicks fans, they were devastated this morning.

Knicks will find out, game 2 will be a must win.

Only up 1 with 6 minutes to go, Cavs needed to find a way to win game 1 on their home floor.

Game 2, the refs and injuries did not help but up 7 with a minute to go, we gotta win that.

If Knicks somehow drop game 2, they will see how deep of a hole that truly is, heading back to indianpolois.

That Knicks meltdown was worse than anything the Cavs experienced. First off, the Knicks were completely healthy. Second, they let Nesmith shoot and make FIVE 3 pointers in a row. Third, Haliburton ran the EXACT SAME drive and back out ISO 3 he ran on Ty to end the game and the Knicks still bit. The Knicks had the benefit of seeing it before hand.

I saw the final play of regulation, brutal.

Nesmith hitting 6 three pointers in the 4th is bonkers, guy was a certified scrub while on the Celtics.

[jbk1234]

I work with 2 Knicks fans, they were devastated this morning.

Knicks will find out, game 2 will be a must win.

Only up 1 with 6 minutes to go, Cavs needed to find a way to win game 1 on their home floor.

Game 2, the refs and injuries did not help but up 7 with a minute to go, we gotta win that.

If Knicks somehow drop game 2, they will see how deep of a hole that truly is, heading back to indianpolois.

That Knicks meltdown was worse than anything the Cavs experienced. First off, the Knicks were completely healthy. Second, they let Nesmith shoot and make FIVE 3 pointers in a row. Third, Haliburton ran the EXACT SAME drive and back out ISO 3 he ran on Ty to end the game and the Knicks still bit. The Knicks had the benefit of seeing it before hand.

I saw the final play of regulation, brutal.

Nesmith hitting 6 three pointers in the 4th is bonkers, guy was a certified scrub while on the Celtics.

Game 2 of our series was a short handed Cavs team playing well and melting down with 90 seconds left. I think the Knicks are in trouble though because the Pacers played a pretty bad game for 3 1/2 quarters.

Mitchell Robinson almost single handedly crushed their bench. Cam Payne was actually hitting threes. They gifted the Knicks 6 free throws on stupid fouls behind the 3 point line. The Pacers starters hesitated on three pointers and elected to drive way too often. Haliburton played pretty poorly before the final shot. For three and a half quarters, he was passing up open floaters or mid range shots and passing to teammates who weren't really open.

The Pacers are a higher variance shooting team than I'd be comfortable betting on, but this could be over in 5.

[JonFromVA]

I work with 2 Knicks fans, they were devastated this morning.

Knicks will find out, game 2 will be a must win.

Only up 1 with 6 minutes to go, Cavs needed to find a way to win game 1 on their home floor.

Game 2, the refs and injuries did not help but up 7 with a minute to go, we gotta win that.

If Knicks somehow drop game 2, they will see how deep of a hole that truly is, heading back to indianpolois.

That Knicks meltdown was worse than anything the Cavs experienced. First off, the Knicks were completely healthy. Second, they let Nesmith shoot and make FIVE 3 pointers in a row. Third, Haliburton ran the EXACT SAME drive and back out ISO 3 he ran on Ty to end the game and the Knicks still bit. The Knicks had the benefit of seeing it before hand.

I saw the final play of regulation, brutal.

Nesmith hitting 6 three pointers in the 4th is bonkers, guy was a certified scrub while on the Celtics.

I remember asking on this forum around draft time whether we should consider him. He shot 3's amazingly well for Vandy in his Sophmore season and that caught my eye. Vassell was the more obvious choice for his size, but of course we went with Isaac.

There's definitely something to be said for drafting a player who's already demonstrated shooting talent...

[JujitsuFlip]

That Knicks meltdown was worse than anything the Cavs experienced. First off, the Knicks were completely healthy. Second, they let Nesmith shoot and make FIVE 3 pointers in a row. Third, Haliburton ran the EXACT SAME drive and back out ISO 3 he ran on Ty to end the game and the Knicks still bit. The Knicks had the benefit of seeing it before hand.

I saw the final play of regulation, brutal.

Nesmith hitting 6 three pointers in the 4th is bonkers, guy was a certified scrub while on the Celtics.

Game 2 of our series was a short handed Cavs team playing well and melting down with 90 seconds left. I think the Knicks are in trouble though because the Pacers played a pretty bad game for 3 1/2 quarters.

Mitchell Robinson almost single handedly crushed their bench. Cam Payne was actually hitting threes. They gifted the Knicks 6 free throws on stupid fouls behind the 3 point line. The Pacers starters hesitated on three pointers and elected to drive way too often. Haliburton played pretty poorly before the final shot. For three and a half quarters, he was passing up open floaters or mid range shots and passing to teammates who weren't really open.

The Pacers are a higher variance shooting team than I'd be comfortable betting on, but this could be over in 5.

Hali was pretty passive in our series too, not sure what that's about. He obviously did it all game 1 but outside of the last minute he was not good in game 2, he disappeared in game 3, game 4 despite thr blowout he didn't play well, and game 5 he finally showed up to close us out.

I told one of my Knick co-workers that game 2 is a must win.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45443832/sources-knicks-firing-tom-thibodeau-coach-5-seasons

Knicks just fired Thibs, so if Bryant does not get the Suns job, I'd say he is a leader to step right into that role.

[jbk1234]

I was feeling a tad resentful about the cost of the LeVert trade (Nembhard and Sheppard), but I suspect Magic fans are going to go through some things after the Bane trade.

[ijspeelman]

I was feeling a tad resentful about the cost of the LeVert trade (Nembhard and Sheppard), but I suspect Magic fans are going to go through some things after the Bane trade.

I think we got unlucky those picks panned out for the Pacers. On the surface, a 26th and 31st overall picks are not typically rotation quality players. To get an elite defensive PG/SG (who happens to rise up during the playoffs) and a volume three and D-ish guy is kinda crazy from those spots.

I still think the LeVert trade was a good-ish idea to this day and pushed us into the timeline we are in so it was more than just LeVert, but in hindsight it looks p bad especially if we picked Nembhard and Sheppard.

The Bane trade on the surface looks much worse. However, Bane does fill a bigger niche within the Magic's offensive system and could help them climb out of the gutter. Franz, Paolo, and Bane seem like a formidable trio, especially since Bane can play off both other guys.

Magic still need a top 30 PG tho

[jbk1234]

I was feeling a tad resentful about the cost of the LeVert trade (Nembhard and Sheppard), but I suspect Magic fans are going to go through some things after the Bane trade.

I think we got unlucky those picks panned out for the Pacers. On the surface, a 26th and 31st overall picks are not typically rotation quality players. To get an elite defensive PG/SG (who happens to rise up during the playoffs) and a volume three and D-ish guy is kinda crazy from those spots.

I still think the LeVert trade was a good-ish idea to this day and pushed us into the timeline we are in so it was more than just LeVert, but in hindsight it looks p bad especially if we picked Nembhard and Sheppard.

The Bane trade on the surface looks much worse. However, Bane does fill a bigger niche within the Magic's offensive system and could help them climb out of the gutter. Franz, Paolo, and Bane seem like a formidable trio, especially since Bane can play off both other guys.

Magic still need a top 30 PG tho

I suspect Altman bid against himself there. A single first and future cap relief were more than enough.

[JujitsuFlip]

I was feeling a tad resentful about the cost of the LeVert trade (Nembhard and Sheppard), but I suspect Magic fans are going to go through some things after the Bane trade.

I think we got unlucky those picks panned out for the Pacers. On the surface, a 26th and 31st overall picks are not typically rotation quality players. To get an elite defensive PG/SG (who happens to rise up during the playoffs) and a volume three and D-ish guy is kinda crazy from those spots.

I still think the LeVert trade was a good-ish idea to this day and pushed us into the timeline we are in so it was more than just LeVert, but in hindsight it looks p bad especially if we picked Nembhard and Sheppard.

The Bane trade on the surface looks much worse. However, Bane does fill a bigger niche within the Magic's offensive system and could help them climb out of the gutter. Franz, Paolo, and Bane seem like a formidable trio, especially since Bane can play off both other guys.

Magic still need a top 30 PG tho

I doubt we would've drafted either guy, tbh. Hindsight is 20/20 for sure in this exercise.

But yes, i was not for the trade, made no sense. It being our first taste of success though, we really wanted to capitalize on it.

[JonFromVA]

I was feeling a tad resentful about the cost of the LeVert trade (Nembhard and Sheppard), but I suspect Magic fans are going to go through some things after the Bane trade.

I think we got unlucky those picks panned out for the Pacers. On the surface, a 26th and 31st overall picks are not typically rotation quality players. To get an elite defensive PG/SG (who happens to rise up during the playoffs) and a volume three and D-ish guy is kinda crazy from those spots.

I still think the LeVert trade was a good-ish idea to this day and pushed us into the timeline we are in so it was more than just LeVert, but in hindsight it looks p bad especially if we picked Nembhard and Sheppard.

The Bane trade on the surface looks much worse. However, Bane does fill a bigger niche within the Magic's offensive system and could help them climb out of the gutter. Franz, Paolo, and Bane seem like a formidable trio, especially since Bane can play off both other guys.

Magic still need a top 30 PG tho

Certain teams are really good with their picks, that's kind of the beauty of Memphis getting all those picks ... even if they're ****, they'll make the most of them. I always wished Dan would pour a ton of cash in to our drafting/scouting department.

[ijspeelman]

I was feeling a tad resentful about the cost of the LeVert trade (Nembhard and Sheppard), but I suspect Magic fans are going to go through some things after the Bane trade.

I think we got unlucky those picks panned out for the Pacers. On the surface, a 26th and 31st overall picks are not typically rotation quality players. To get an elite defensive PG/SG (who happens to rise up during the playoffs) and a volume three and D-ish guy is kinda crazy from those spots.

I still think the LeVert trade was a good-ish idea to this day and pushed us into the timeline we are in so it was more than just LeVert, but in hindsight it looks p bad especially if we picked Nembhard and Sheppard.

The Bane trade on the surface looks much worse. However, Bane does fill a bigger niche within the Magic's offensive system and could help them climb out of the gutter. Franz, Paolo, and Bane seem like a formidable trio, especially since Bane can play off both other guys.

Magic still need a top 30 PG tho

Certain teams are really good with their picks, that's kind of the beauty of Memphis getting all those picks ... even if they're ****, they'll make the most of them. I always wished Dan would pour a ton of cash in to our drafting/scouting department.

Overall, I actually don't think we've drafted too badly (or taken undrafted guys). We have barely had any picks tho. Since LeBron left, I would consider these guys a success at their draft position:
Sexton
Garland
Kevin Porter Jr (debatable for off-court activities)
Mobley
Agbaji (not our guy ever, but still for a 15th pick looks like a quality NBA player)

So that leaves:
Windler
Okoro (debatable, but he was top 5 in a draft with much better guys taken later)
Travers
I. Mobley
Diop
Bates

I am leaving Tyson out of this because we can only speculate what he will provide moving forward

Undrafted guys that I'd say were a success:
Wade
Stevens (maybe debatable, but I say if you gave good rotational minutes then you are a successful undrafted guy or 2nd rounder)
Craig Porter Jr

[jbk1234]

I think we got unlucky those picks panned out for the Pacers. On the surface, a 26th and 31st overall picks are not typically rotation quality players. To get an elite defensive PG/SG (who happens to rise up during the playoffs) and a volume three and D-ish guy is kinda crazy from those spots.

I still think the LeVert trade was a good-ish idea to this day and pushed us into the timeline we are in so it was more than just LeVert, but in hindsight it looks p bad especially if we picked Nembhard and Sheppard.

The Bane trade on the surface looks much worse. However, Bane does fill a bigger niche within the Magic's offensive system and could help them climb out of the gutter. Franz, Paolo, and Bane seem like a formidable trio, especially since Bane can play off both other guys.

Magic still need a top 30 PG tho

Certain teams are really good with their picks, that's kind of the beauty of Memphis getting all those picks ... even if they're ****, they'll make the most of them. I always wished Dan would pour a ton of cash in to our drafting/scouting department.

Overall, I actually don't think we've drafted too badly (or taken undrafted guys). We have barely had any picks tho. Since LeBron left, I would consider these guys a success at their draft position:
Sexton
Garland
Kevin Porter Jr (debatable for off-court activities)
Mobley
Agbaji (not our guy ever, but still for a 15th pick looks like a quality NBA player)

So that leaves:
Windler
Okoro (debatable, but he was top 5 in a draft with much better guys taken later)
Travers
I. Mobley
Diop
Bates

I am leaving Tyson out of this because we can only speculate what he will provide moving forward

Undrafted guys that I'd say were a success:
Wade
Stevens (maybe debatable, but I say if you gave good rotational minutes then you are a successful undrafted guy or 2nd rounder)
Craig Porter Jr

I would add that outside of three lottery picks in two years (one of which was No. 1 overall), the Magic have a pretty shaky draft record.