Moderators: bwgood77, Qwigglez, lilfishi22
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
thamadkant wrote:
Now depending on who Suns traded KD for and what they got back, Rockets would be laughing sitting on gold with those Suns picks.
bullsaficianado wrote:thamadkant wrote:
Now depending on who Suns traded KD for and what they got back, Rockets would be laughing sitting on gold with those Suns picks.
That is why the Rockets would be fools to give the Suns back those picks. For the Suns it's likely going to be another struggle to make the playoffs next season.
As we reported Feb. 7, Heat is simply not going to go above a certain threshold of what it feels is justified for a 36-year-old star, even one it wants and respects like Durant. A pick and some players? Sure. But multiple picks AND multiple key young pieces? Would be very surprised if Heat relents, barring change of heart.
Saberestar wrote:Barry Jackson:As we reported Feb. 7, Heat is simply not going to go above a certain threshold of what it feels is justified for a 36-year-old star, even one it wants and respects like Durant. A pick and some players? Sure. But multiple picks AND multiple key young pieces? Would be very surprised if Heat relents, barring change of heart.
Sunsdeuce wrote:Saberestar wrote:Barry Jackson:As we reported Feb. 7, Heat is simply not going to go above a certain threshold of what it feels is justified for a 36-year-old star, even one it wants and respects like Durant. A pick and some players? Sure. But multiple picks AND multiple key young pieces? Would be very surprised if Heat relents, barring change of heart.
The heat want their cake and eat it too. They can go kick rocks.
Heat want a star player but don’t want to give anything up. Something for nothing hence why Miami hasn’t been able to get a star player in years. They are unserious.
Slim Charless wrote:bullsaficianado wrote:thamadkant wrote:
Now depending on who Suns traded KD for and what they got back, Rockets would be laughing sitting on gold with those Suns picks.
That is why the Rockets would be fools to give the Suns back those picks. For the Suns it's likely going to be another struggle to make the playoffs next season.
The Rockets got those picks to leverage us into trading our guys. Very obvious to me, at least that was their plan.
Now the chance to cash those picks in. KD to Houston makes too much sense.
KdoubleDees23 wrote:Bored and this works in trade machine
Utah trades : Collins, Sexton, Kessler - They keep Markannen
Utah receives: Jarret Allen, Dillon Brooks, Sheppard
Collier
Sheppard
Brooks
Markannen
Allen
Suns trade: KD
Suns Receive : Sexton, Kessler, Jabari Smith, Max Strus, and a 1st #9
Sexton
Booker
Dunn
Jabari Smith Jr
Kessler
Rockets trade: Brooks, Jabari Smith, Sheppard, Whitmore, and their 1st #9
Rockets receive : KD and Utah 1st (Future)
FVV
Green
Thompson
KD
Sengun
Cavs Trade: Jarrett Allen, Max Strus
Cavs Receive: John Collins, and Whitmore
Garland
Mitchell
Whitmore
Collins
Mobley
I feel like Cavs don't get enough, but it worked.
"I'm told Kevin Durant has no desire to be in Minnesota with the Timberwolves
TeamTragic wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/OoJfSA7i7T"I'm told Kevin Durant has no desire to be in Minnesota with the Timberwolves
Wolves down bad lol
BobbieL wrote:TeamTragic wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/OoJfSA7i7T"I'm told Kevin Durant has no desire to be in Minnesota with the Timberwolves
Wolves down bad lol
Miami, Houston, Spurs
states with no state taxes
Warspite wrote:Billups was a horrible scorer who could only score with an open corner 3 or a FT.
TeamTragic wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/OoJfSA7i7T"I'm told Kevin Durant has no desire to be in Minnesota with the Timberwolves
Wolves down bad lol
Saberestar wrote:TeamTragic wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/OoJfSA7i7T"I'm told Kevin Durant has no desire to be in Minnesota with the Timberwolves
Wolves down bad lol
At this point there are only 3 realistic options out there IMO:
Heat
Rockets
Raptors
Masai Ujiri has all the credibility in the world and he usually takes risks that other GMs wouldn't take it.
He can put a nice package for KD even knowing that KD doesn't have Toronto as one of his favorite destinations but they would try to win his love during the season.
A similar thing happened to Siakam. The Pacers traded for him and he didn't like the idea of staying in Indiana long-term...and look at him now.
bwgood77 wrote:After our KD trade, and maybe getting rid of Allen and O'Neale for probably not much, do people think Book will have a better supporting cast than when we were winning 20-30 games from 2015-2019 (Bledsoe, TJ Warren, Derrick Jones Jr, Tyson Channdler in 16-17 when we won 24. In 15-16 when we won 23 we also had PJ Tucker, Markieff Morris and Alex Len)...in 17-18 we only had Bledsoe and DJJ for a few games, but later got Elfrid Payton. We still have Booker, TJ (played in 65 games, 11 more than Book), Tyson Chandler and Alex Len. Though we also had rookie Josh Jackson, and 2nd year Chriss and Len (though still won 21 games, only a few games less than the prior 2 years).
Then in 18-19, we added Oubre, Tyler Johnson, rookies DA and MIkal, Richaun Holmes, De'Anthony Melton, and 43 games of TJ Warren.
Now, with Booker, Oubre, TJ, DA, Mikal, Melton and Johnson, that wasn't a terrible mix of talent...we also had Crawford, Jackson...
This season, with a return on KD, along with Book and whoever else, will we be better? I don't think we will likely have a better C duo than Ayton and Holmes, or wing trio of Bridges, Oubre and TJ where one could play PF. Tyler Johnson was decent a times as was Melton....so PG wasn't terrible.
We won 19 games that year. Will our roster look better this year? If so, by how much?
"KD wanted the New York Knicks. The Knicks have no interest in bringing him in... There is some fear from him and Rich Kleiman that they're hoping that there's going to be respect at Kevin's age to give him what he wants rather than try to trade him like he's 31 years old."
Qwigglez wrote:bwgood77 wrote:After our KD trade, and maybe getting rid of Allen and O'Neale for probably not much, do people think Book will have a better supporting cast than when we were winning 20-30 games from 2015-2019 (Bledsoe, TJ Warren, Derrick Jones Jr, Tyson Channdler in 16-17 when we won 24. In 15-16 when we won 23 we also had PJ Tucker, Markieff Morris and Alex Len)...in 17-18 we only had Bledsoe and DJJ for a few games, but later got Elfrid Payton. We still have Booker, TJ (played in 65 games, 11 more than Book), Tyson Chandler and Alex Len. Though we also had rookie Josh Jackson, and 2nd year Chriss and Len (though still won 21 games, only a few games less than the prior 2 years).
Then in 18-19, we added Oubre, Tyler Johnson, rookies DA and MIkal, Richaun Holmes, De'Anthony Melton, and 43 games of TJ Warren.
Now, with Booker, Oubre, TJ, DA, Mikal, Melton and Johnson, that wasn't a terrible mix of talent...we also had Crawford, Jackson...
This season, with a return on KD, along with Book and whoever else, will we be better? I don't think we will likely have a better C duo than Ayton and Holmes, or wing trio of Bridges, Oubre and TJ where one could play PF. Tyler Johnson was decent a times as was Melton....so PG wasn't terrible.
We won 19 games that year. Will our roster look better this year? If so, by how much?
I think there is a case to be made that blowing it up isn't necessarily the only option though when the Suns do in fact trade KD. Warriors kept 32 year-old Curry in 2020-21 season after the Warriors finished 8th in the West but ending up losing in the play-in, and then the following season in 2021-22 season they won the championship. They did have Klay Thompson return in the 2nd half of the season, but they had incredible play from role players such as Jordan Poole, Andrew Wiggins.
I'm not trying to compare Booker to Curry, I'm just stating that a retool isn't out of the realm of possibility. Suns just have to nail draft picks, grab players that are interested in winning and not just making money. Players that are not just interested in the one-year prove it deals to get more the following season either, players that want to be part of a winning culture.
I do agree though that Booker likely won't have a better supporting cast than some he has had in previous seasons, I suppose I'm just being optimistic. I do think Royce O'Neal and Grayson Allen might need to go and ideally Booker is able to build a winning culture with a new set of players around him. It would be Kobe-esque to see Booker build something up with a brand new team.