Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[Rodrickle]

This front office was completely comfortable trading a pick that could land as low as 7th, albeit in a bad draft, for a roleplaying C. We've traded a first almost every year for a variety of far smaller trades.

This FO is one of the better drafting orgs in the last decade...that just hates to have draft picks.

Masai would absolutely throw in 9 for KD. He's probably shocked he hasn't traded it already.

I'm sure he just hates having young and cheap controllable assets

I don't think people realize we have a board to answer to that probably wants to win. Even of Masai wanted to do a slow patient rebuild, he'd have to get approval which probably isn't easy. rebuilding cost ticket sales $$

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[Tor_Raps]

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No mention of Toronto LETS GOOOOOOO

Because it would be ridiculous to think a team that just finished tanking in back to back years would go after a 37 year old lol

[MiamiSPX]

Raps' name is being used as leverage. As soon as Dame said no to Toronto, the Raps backed off right away. Suns can say they will deal him to whomever offers the best package, but that is not true at all. Durant scuttled the deal at the deadline to GS and will go to a desired destination. Suns just don't like the current offers and want them improved.

Look at Durant's desired list. It's obvious what he wants.

Kawhi didn’t want to go to the Raptors either. It didn’t cause them to back off.

Much different circumstances. Spurs were not even on speaking terms with him and had an internal edict to trade him anywhere but the Lakers. Kawhi also had no leverage due to an injury plagued season.

Durant is one of the greatest of all time. You don't trade him to where he doesn't want to go, and no team should trade for a disgruntled Durant. Let's also not forget this is the 2nd time in 2 years that he asks out. The minute the season has any semblance of going south, he's asking out.

And this is not me saying I wouldn't do it. I just remember after the Dame situation, Grange made a casual comment that the team was going to start chasing players who want to be in Toronto. He's mostly a clown, but he DOES get fed some information, and that comment was not his opinion.

[Kurtz]

PHX: RJ, Poeltl, #9
Heat: KD, #39, #52
Raptors: Wiggins, Slo-Mo, Ware, Jovic, #20, #29

I think I'd do that. Wiggins fits the roster better than Wiggins. Raptors in a better cap situation. 3 years of Ware on a rookie deal. Jovic is extension eligible and can shoot. Can continue to add depth with 20 and 29.

I think PHX does it. I doubt Heat do.

This might be the worst trade I've ever seen proposed on here.

That is harsh

It's a very unusual proposal because typically it's the home team fans that will offer up a pile of mediocre assets (with all due respect to Ware) for a couple of good pieces coming back. But here you did the opposite.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[RapsFanInOhio]

This front office was completely comfortable trading a pick that could land as low as 7th, albeit in a bad draft, for a roleplaying C. We've traded a first almost every year for a variety of far smaller trades.

This FO is one of the better drafting orgs in the last decade...that just hates to have draft picks.

Masai would absolutely throw in 9 for KD. He's probably shocked he hasn't traded it already.

I'm sure he just hates having young and cheap controllable assets

I don't think people realize we have a board to answer to that probably wants to win. Even of Masai wanted to do a slow patient rebuild, he'd have to get approval which probably isn't easy. rebuilding cost ticket sales $$

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They are going to be more competitive this coming season just by adding a healthy Ingram, let alone adding #9 and #39. I generally expect them to be at or above .500. Maybe not title contenders yet, but adding KD, subtracting Poeltl/IQ/9, and going into the tax ain’t it.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

If PHX is willing to accept RJ/#9 and filler for Durant that is a great offer.

IQ
Ochai
KD
Barnes
JP

Won’t work without adding Poeltl to match salaries. It’s going to be at min Poeltl and RJ or IQ and pick(s).

RJ always felt like a temporary stopgap so not surprised if he’s the one being offered with Poeltl. This creates a big hole at the 5 though, so Masai must have some plan to acquire a 5 if Suns accept.

I find it too risky if it’s a one year deal. We’re not winning a Championship with that roster, but at the same time, maybe Masai doesn’t plan to resign either of Poeltl or RJ. One thing that’s forgotten about the Derozan for Kawhi deal is that Masai was probably ready to trade Derozan for scraps at that point. He only makes these type of deals if his plan imo is to move away from a certain player. It’s easier to make a one year rental play for a star when the players you give up aren’t players you want to sign to bigger deals.

Poeltl just had his best season as a pro - we literally had to sit him so we could lose games last year. The team has also had historical difficulty filling the center position.

I get the concern about giving him a huge contract when he can’t space the floor. But there is no easy way to replace that production, and you just gave up a first for him not that long ago.

It reeks of no plan. Get superstar, ????, profit.

That doesn’t sound like Masai to me.

You are not even including BI in this discussion, what is going on?

[Brinbe]

Raps' name is being used as leverage. As soon as Dame said no to Toronto, the Raps backed off right away. Suns can say they will deal him to whomever offers the best package, but that is not true at all. Durant scuttled the deal at the deadline to GS and will go to a desired destination. Suns just don't like the current offers and want them improved.

Look at Durant's desired list. It's obvious what he wants.

That's what it looks like but their desire is seemingly real. Maybe they think that 9+Yak+RJ/IQ for KD+29 is worth the one year rental and headache of an unhappy KD

Yup. Teams know our history and can't pretend we won't pull the trigger on a potential rental.

I'm a little queasy at the package required to get Durant...Which probably means its a fair trade.

But I honestly think this won't matter Miami will buckle and put Ware in the deal. They need this trade. And Houston holds all the cards they can make a deal any time they want.

That all said. I'm looking at free agent centers. Do we want Clint Capela or Luke Kornet??

Of those two, Kornet. But I think Kornet will have a somewhat robust market even though he'd be a pretty low-end starting C and Capela is probably best as a reserve at this point

Either way that team ain't competing for anything, so it again begs the question, why throw all your eggs into this basket? I guess it makes sense from a commercial aspect but if you're doing moves just to sell a bunch of jerseys without consideration for on-court value, you've become the 2000s Knicks

[HangTime]

I'm Genuinely curious as to why people can't see acquiring KD beyond a "win now" move.

[ConSarnit]

PHX: RJ, Poeltl, #9
Heat: KD, #39, #52
Raptors: Wiggins, Slo-Mo, Ware, Jovic, #20, #29

I think I'd do that. Wiggins fits the roster better than Wiggins. Raptors in a better cap situation. 3 years of Ware on a rookie deal. Jovic is extension eligible and can shoot. Can continue to add depth with 20 and 29.

I think PHX does it. I doubt Heat do.

This might be the worst trade I've ever seen proposed on here.

The bad part is 9 + 39 for 20 + 29

Wiggins > RJ

Poeltl = Ware + Jovic

These are the types of returns we’d get on these guys. I’d be surprised if we could trade Wiggins for RJ straight up. Wiggins 3+D ability is probably in higher demand than RJ. Ware (15th pick) and Jovic (young guy with some upside) seems about right for a solid starting C. When we traded for Poeltl we were probably expecting to give up the 15th overall pick pick + flotsam (Birch).

Remove 39 from this trade and this deal isn’t that far off.

[sidsid]

This front office was completely comfortable trading a pick that could land as low as 7th, albeit in a bad draft, for a roleplaying C. We've traded a first almost every year for a variety of far smaller trades.

This FO is one of the better drafting orgs in the last decade...that just hates to have draft picks.

Masai would absolutely throw in 9 for KD. He's probably shocked he hasn't traded it already.

It literally boggles the mind that this front office refuses to lean in on their competitive advantage

We traded a first for Jak, the team holding our draft selection immediately punted that pick for future consideration.

We also traded down 10 spots from 20 to 31 -

We acquired 3 first for Pascal / used one to select Jakobe, used one in a trade for former lotto pick Ochai and then sent the one that wasn't in our control for Ingram.

Acting like we mortgage our future constantly to fit the narrative that we don't value 1st or something is just flat out false

Forget the mortgaging of the future or anything like that. Just the options presented to them and what they prefer doing.

Bruce Brown could have gotten them a late pick in the draft at the deadline before his option year. That's what was reported. The reasoning provided for why the team declined was that they already had enough picks in that draft, and we ended up trading one out for the Ochai trade too!

Everyone is marveling at how we got juice out of our second rounders and the late returns of the Siakam draft.

But the FO has absolutely no interest in repeating that. They go out of their way to avoid it.

Getting back to the thread. That's why 9 is a no problem situation for Masai in terms of this trade.

[Raps in 4]

This FO is one of the better drafting orgs in the last decade...that just hates to have draft picks.

This is by far and away the most frustrating thing about this FO. They don't play to their strengths.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

This FO is one of the better drafting orgs in the last decade...that just hates to have draft picks.

This is by far and away the most frustrating thing about this FO. They don't play to their strengths.

Y'all got your tank coloured glasses on,

You don't need an elite scouting department to pick in the top 5, it matters more when you have lower picks

[mdenny]

Absolutely cooked if we’re giving up the 9th pick for Durant.

I honestly cant tell if this is sarcasm along with 11 people sarcastically liking it.

I have made a few threads regarding the insanity of pick valuation.

So I demand that someone tells me what they think is a reasonable outcome from a 9th selection in a draft.

By "reasonable outcome" please name a current player that has been in the league for at least 6 years....that you think would represent the average outcome from the 9th selection in a draft.

Here's a hint: Jacob poetl is a player that represents a HIGHER quality outcome than the average 9th overall selection.

I can prove it to everyone but I've already done it multiple times.

It's a rather simple exercise. Take the 9th overall picks from 2010 to 2020 and take the 5th best player. Then tell me we are "cooked" for trading that player for Durant.

At some point in time....the video game and fantasy league ppl should have a seperate board from the basketball people.

[Raps in 4]

PHX: RJ, Poeltl, #9
Heat: KD, #39, #52
Raptors: Wiggins, Slo-Mo, Ware, Jovic, #20, #29

I think I'd do that. Wiggins fits the roster better than Wiggins. Raptors in a better cap situation. 3 years of Ware on a rookie deal. Jovic is extension eligible and can shoot. Can continue to add depth with 20 and 29.

I think PHX does it. I doubt Heat do.

This might be the worst trade I've ever seen proposed on here.

The bad part is 9 + 39 for 20 + 29

Wiggins > RJ

Poeltl = Ware + Jovic

These are the types of returns we’d get on these guys. I’d be surprised if we could trade Wiggins for RJ straight up. Wiggins 3+D ability is probably in higher demand than RJ. Ware (15th pick) and Jovic (young guy with some upside) seems about right for a solid starting C. When we traded for Poeltl we were probably expecting to give up the 15th overall pick pick + flotsam (Birch).

Remove 39 from this trade and this deal isn’t that far off.

Wiggins is not better than RJ. They both suck, but at least RJ is younger.

[LoveMyRaps]

KD is gonna be a Raptor - I can feeeeel it

[MoneyBall]

This FO is one of the better drafting orgs in the last decade...that just hates to have draft picks.

This is by far and away the most frustrating thing about this FO. They don't play to their strengths.

But if that same FO believes the pick is worth more in a trade than by selecting a player, shouldn't we give them the benefit of the doubt?

[MiamiSPX]

Raps' name is being used as leverage. As soon as Dame said no to Toronto, the Raps backed off right away. Suns can say they will deal him to whomever offers the best package, but that is not true at all. Durant scuttled the deal at the deadline to GS and will go to a desired destination. Suns just don't like the current offers and want them improved.

Look at Durant's desired list. It's obvious what he wants.

That's what it looks like but their desire is seemingly real. Maybe they think that 9+Yak+RJ/IQ for KD+29 is worth the one year rental and headache of an unhappy KD

I'm all for trading for Durant if he agrees to Toronto. But if he agrees to play this season out but tells Masai from the get-go that he will not extend with the Raps, then the price better be reflective of that.

[Raps in 4]

This FO is one of the better drafting orgs in the last decade...that just hates to have draft picks.

This is by far and away the most frustrating thing about this FO. They don't play to their strengths.

But if that same FO believes the pick is worth more in a trade than by selecting a player, shouldn't we give them the benefit of the doubt?

Not if that trade is for a 28 year-old role player C that doesn't fit the team's timeline or roster or a 37 year-old who will be warming the bench or retired in a year or two.

[Potential]

PHX: RJ, Poeltl, #9
Heat: KD, #39, #52
Raptors: Wiggins, Slo-Mo, Ware, Jovic, #20, #29

I think I'd do that. Wiggins fits the roster better than Wiggins. Raptors in a better cap situation. 3 years of Ware on a rookie deal. Jovic is extension eligible and can shoot. Can continue to add depth with 20 and 29.

I think PHX does it. I doubt Heat do.