[Charania] Desmond Bane To Orlando For KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 Unprotected 1st Round Picks And 1 Pick Swap

[OakleyDokely]

You get one shot when you make a trade like this that gives up control/flexibility of your picks for the next few years.

I'm not sure Bane is the right guy to target, but the success of the deal will likely hinge on whether Banchero emerges as a legit #1 guy, which is what ORL need him to be if they want to make a run.

Deal is similar to the Knicks move for Bridges. Bridges is a nice piece, but the Knicks are still going as far as Brunson leads them. I'm not a huge fan of pushing most of your chips in for a 2nd/3rd tier option, especially if you're still unsure if you have the #1 guy in place. But if it results in a conference finals or two, it's still probably worth it for the Magic who haven't had much success in their history.

Franz is their best player. The combination of him and Banchero offence should be pretty good.

Franz is probably their best all-around player, but the offense runs through Banchero. He's #1 in usage on the Magic by a decent margin and he's given a superstar usage level.

[OakleyDokely]

MEM has been one of the best drafting teams in the league, so I can see why they'd value the flexibility of all those picks while being able to lock up Ja/JJJ long term.

For their sake, hopefully they don't waste those picks on another Smart type trade.

A Ja/JJJ core is a perennial first round exit team. Memphis needs to rebuild, or figure out how to add an actual difference maker.

They have the assets now to add if they want.

[Raps in 4]

You get one shot when you make a trade like this that gives up control/flexibility of your picks for the next few years.

I'm not sure Bane is the right guy to target, but the success of the deal will likely hinge on whether Banchero emerges as a legit #1 guy, which is what ORL need him to be if they want to make a run.

Deal is similar to the Knicks move for Bridges. Bridges is a nice piece, but the Knicks are still going as far as Brunson leads them. I'm not a huge fan of pushing most of your chips in for a 2nd/3rd tier option, especially if you're still unsure if you have the #1 guy in place. But if it results in a conference finals or two, it's still probably worth it for the Magic who haven't had much success in their history.

Franz is their best player. The combination of him and Banchero offence should be pretty good.

Franz is probably their best all-around player, but the offense runs through Banchero. He's #1 in usage on the Magic by a decent margin and he's given a superstar usage level.

They had virtually the same usage rate this year (31% vs 33%), but yeah, Paolo can't do anything other than score, so that's what they'll use him for. They're kind of like Lowry and Derozan.

[Morris_Shatford]

This feels like the trade version of the Magic maxing out Rashard Lewis in 2007.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[Basketball_Jones]

Paolo is kind of underwhelming to me and they needed a ball handler/game manager star in the backcourt. Bane is great though but not sure he gets them over the hump like a Devon Booker would have.

[EH15]

This feels like the trade version of the Magic maxing out Rashard Lewis in 2007.

To be fair that move kicked them off to a trip to the Finals.

I think what maxes them out ultimately is how great Paolo/Franz can be. If they can both be top 15-20 players? They're gonna have many chances at ECF. If they are near their peaks, then not so much.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[OakleyDokely]

The Magic have had 2 seasons above .500 over the last 14 seasons.

The Magic haven't won 50 games over the last 14 seasons.

The Magic haven't won a 1st round series over the last 15 seasons.

At some point, you can't be patient anymore.

[OhCanada]

But he had also better teammates around him. Role players thrieve in a good environment, thats why i am always reluctant to take stats as a measurment for talent.

He's not "Poeltl lever pretty much" at all. Bad take. Sorry Duff.

He put up 7/7/2 with 2.1 stocks in just 20 minutes a game on 61% from the field.

A bunch of advanced metrics show him pretty much inline with what Poeltl does.

I like Poeltl a lot but saying Goga is pretty much the same impact and in the same tier is not a bad take.

He played 11 minutes in the postseason.

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[Duffman100]

He's not "Poeltl lever pretty much" at all. Bad take. Sorry Duff.

He put up 7/7/2 with 2.1 stocks in just 20 minutes a game on 61% from the field.

A bunch of advanced metrics show him pretty much inline with what Poeltl does.

I like Poeltl a lot but saying Goga is pretty much the same impact and in the same tier is not a bad take.

He played 11 minutes in the postseason.

Orlando went with a quicker lineup against the Boston 3p barrage. Poeltl would have also seen a reduction of minutes.

I tend to lean on the larger sample size.

[WuTang_CMB]

ORL got rinsed but they were stuck since they had no ways of improving

[Shakril]

He put up 7/7/2 with 2.1 stocks in just 20 minutes a game on 61% from the field.

A bunch of advanced metrics show him pretty much inline with what Poeltl does.

I like Poeltl a lot but saying Goga is pretty much the same impact and in the same tier is not a bad take.

He played 11 minutes in the postseason.

Orlando went with a quicker lineup against the Boston 3p barrage. Poeltl would have also seen a reduction of minutes.

I tend to lean on the larger sample size.

I dont know, raptors would clearly have the advantage on the C spot with Poeltl against boston. Poeltl is very efficent in his spots, so to make him a threat and draw attention away is something that would work i believe. I dont think goga could replicate that, BUT before i get screamed at again, raptors have to reach the Playoffs first, then we might have an answer to that question.

[bballsparkin]

He put up 7/7/2 with 2.1 stocks in just 20 minutes a game on 61% from the field.

A bunch of advanced metrics show him pretty much inline with what Poeltl does.

I like Poeltl a lot but saying Goga is pretty much the same impact and in the same tier is not a bad take.

He played 11 minutes in the postseason.

Orlando went with a quicker lineup against the Boston 3p barrage. Poeltl would have also seen a reduction of minutes.

I tend to lean on the larger sample size.

Let's just stick with your 75% the production of Purtle. That's fair. Cuz we know damn well Jakob is not being reduced to that.

2024-25 25 ORL NBA C 3 0 3.7 0.3 0.3 1.000 0.0 0.0 0.3 0.3 1.000 1.000 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.3 0.0 0.3 0.0 2.0 0.7

[Merit]

Can’t read all 15 pages of this thread right now, so apologies if some of this has been covered.

The sticker shock is there, but one of those picks is probably the price of taking KCP.

Bane might be better than anyone currently on the Raptors. I wouldn’t trade Scottie for him, but on-court impact in a game tomorrow? It’s gotta be close if it doesn’t favour Bane.

Orlando *should* finally start to put it together. Start mentally preparing yourself for Suggs hype right now.

In terms of on court impact? Jak/BI/Scottie all supersede him. He’s in the IQ/RJ tier.

I’m observing a pattern where you undervalue our players and overrate others. Is that your intention, or is Bane just a person you disproportionately value?

[Merit]

Can’t read all 15 pages of this thread right now, so apologies if some of this has been covered.

The sticker shock is there, but one of those picks is probably the price of taking KCP.

Bane might be better than anyone currently on the Raptors. I wouldn’t trade Scottie for him, but on-court impact in a game tomorrow? It’s gotta be close if it doesn’t favour Bane.

Orlando *should* finally start to put it together. Start mentally preparing yourself for Suggs hype right now.

Best comparison I heard for this deal was the Knicks deal for Bridges. It's like, OK, Magic have locked in on their core. Is it actually good enough to compete? Because if it doesn't work, they might not have as much flexibility as they think to move these guys on the deals they are signed too and get a boatload of assets back.

Yep. And the problem is....Noone trades top 20 players for a combination of starters.

For example...if 2 years pass and it becomes evident that they don't have a top 20 player.....we never see trades like "the 40th best player plus the 45th best player for the 17th best player".

Nobody trades top 20 players for depth or a more solid starting lineup. Top 20 players are only traded for picks and prospects and rotational filler guys. And Orlando won't have any of that now.

My gut tells me they played their hand too early. But you never know with team chemistry and player development. Maybe im wrong and Paulo becomes a top 20 player. The problem is they have no fall back position.

Orlando is all in. If this doesn’t work, Weltman is out.

[Merit]

But he had also better teammates around him. Role players thrieve in a good environment, thats why i am always reluctant to take stats as a measurment for talent.

He's not "Poeltl lever pretty much" at all. Bad take. Sorry Duff.

He put up 7/7/2 with 2.1 stocks in just 20 minutes a game on 61% from the field.

A bunch of advanced metrics show him pretty much inline with what Poeltl does.

I like Poeltl a lot but saying Goga is pretty much the same impact and in the same tier is not a bad take.

Hey duff - I’m not sure that Goga is a starting calibre centre. I like him killing the opposition’s bench though, and I’d be interested in him on the Raptors. He’s in the JV tier imo. Poeltl’s passing sets him apart imo.

[Tha Cynic]

I like this move - for the Raptors. They are better, but I think they’ve capped their team unless they plan to move Banchero in the future.

We can maneuver enough to be a better team.

[sidsid]

This feels like the trade version of the Magic maxing out Rashard Lewis in 2007.

That's the right comp there. The variable back then was just his contract size, which ate up any cap space they had for FA and improving from then on. For Bane, that's not the issue as they already had too much cap commitment on the books, but just leveraged their pick asset future.

Both for guys who are very good, but not great (or likely good enough).