The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[Qwigglez]

When it comes down to what's best for our team and overall future, I really couldn't care less what KD wants or where he prefers to go!

I'd send him to the team offering the best overall return in young players, expirings and picks. Whether that's Toronto or Boston in a rental scenario.

Or whether that's a place like Atlanta who's desperate to partner a star with Young. I'd like roker a deal with them for a package around Daniels/ Mann/ Bufkin/ 13th pick/ 22nd pick/ ATL 29' 1st.

But I'd definitely tell San Antonio and Miami to go eat a dick!!! And let them struggle if they want to lowball us.

Ultimately, KD doesn't have a no-trade clause. Sorry bruh, Suns are getting the most bang for their buck in this scenario as they don't have many options left afterwards.
I wouldn't deal with Spurs if they think they can get KD for a poo-poo platter featuring Harrison Barnes and Keldon Johnson. I'm honestly not that enamored with Sochan or Vassell either as I don't think they have tremendous upside, which is why I would stand firm in needing that No 2 pick. And if I'm the Spurs, I'd give up the No 2 pick, especially considering the best projected player is a guard and they already got Fox and Castle. Spurs are being greedy if they think they can nab a top 10 player of all time for peanuts.

[Revived]

Suns are trying to get teams to offer more through Windhorst

But but but but Gambo said a few days ago they have a good offer on the table. lol

Sounds like Ishbia is not being realistic and thinking he can get more in return for KD.

It would be one thing if KD was able to lead us deep into the playoffs but coming off a 36 win team that didn't even make it to the play in and the fact that father time is undefeated we are not going to get very good offers for him.

Now if we could trade Grayson or O'Neale to get under the 2nd apron you could maybe attach Dunn with KD to make the trade more enticing but it seems like half the board here would go nuts at even the idea of trading Dunn.

That’s what happens when you don’t have an actual qualified NBA GM and instead just have a “yes-man”.

[DirtyDez]

KD isn’t going to team he doesn’t want to go to because Rich Kleiman will tell them he’ll be a malcontent if they trade for him. If you’re making a pie chart of leverage I’d say it’s about 50/50. If the Suns gets underwhelming offers then I’d just bring him back and revisit at the trade deadline.

[Bogyo]

After our KD trade, and maybe getting rid of Allen and O'Neale for probably not much, do people think Book will have a better supporting cast than when we were winning 20-30 games from 2015-2019 (Bledsoe, TJ Warren, Derrick Jones Jr, Tyson Channdler in 16-17 when we won 24. In 15-16 when we won 23 we also had PJ Tucker, Markieff Morris and Alex Len)...in 17-18 we only had Bledsoe and DJJ for a few games, but later got Elfrid Payton. We still have Booker, TJ (played in 65 games, 11 more than Book), Tyson Chandler and Alex Len. Though we also had rookie Josh Jackson, and 2nd year Chriss and Len (though still won 21 games, only a few games less than the prior 2 years).

Then in 18-19, we added Oubre, Tyler Johnson, rookies DA and MIkal, Richaun Holmes, De'Anthony Melton, and 43 games of TJ Warren.

Now, with Booker, Oubre, TJ, DA, Mikal, Melton and Johnson, that wasn't a terrible mix of talent...we also had Crawford, Jackson...

This season, with a return on KD, along with Book and whoever else, will we be better? I don't think we will likely have a better C duo than Ayton and Holmes, or wing trio of Bridges, Oubre and TJ where one could play PF. Tyler Johnson was decent a times as was Melton....so PG wasn't terrible.

We won 19 games that year. Will our roster look better this year? If so, by how much?

Depends on the return for KD and our moves afterwards. If we go the Toronto route (and they overpay for whatever dumb reason) we could get RJ/Poetl/Dick and 9th pick. Then we could trade Grayson and O'neale for a PG and a PF (maybe attach 29th pick to one of them for a bit more quality PG - Allen+29th for Coby White?), and maybe get a "proove it" lucky minimum signing (Brogdon?). Then we might even sniff play-in.
White/Booker/RJ/Dunn/Poetl - Fears (at number 9), Beal, Dick, Osho, Richards as a second unit, and you could still have a Brogdon if lucky, and Martin/Gillespie/Plumdog and our 2nd round pick to fill out end of bench... That could be number 10 or even 8 with a bit of luck

[WuTang_OG]

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[One_and_Done]

It does feel like alot of this has been a prelude to him just going to San Antonio.

[BobbieL]

It does feel like alot of this has been a prelude to him just going to San Antonio.

I think Houston
A year ago Woj tweeted about the Rockets getting the Suns picks back and I think this will be where he goes

[bwgood77]

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Awful trade.

Suns get 3 roles players at best and more role players with those late picks.

It's like replacing Amare Stoudemire with Hedo, Warrick, Childress back then. Suns got worse and the players they signed last at best 2 seasons, losing them for nothing.

I don't think that is a terrible trade. 2 1sts and Claxton I like. Jacquez is pretty good and Jovic maybe has some upside. I'd be real surprised if we got a better deal than that from someone.

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Awful trade.

Suns get 3 roles players at best and more role players with those late picks.

It's like replacing Amare Stoudemire with Hedo, Warrick, Childress back then. Suns got worse and the players they signed last at best 2 seasons, losing them for nothing.

I don't think that is a terrible trade. 2 1sts and Claxton I like. Jacquez is pretty good and Jovic maybe has some upside. I'd be real surprised if we got a better deal than that from someone.

It feels like Claxton is worth more than a mystery box 1st. Plus what is the point of Wiggins or D.Robinson in Brooklyn?

[sunsbum]

But but but but Gambo said a few days ago they have a good offer on the table. lol

Sounds like Ishbia is not being realistic and thinking he can get more in return for KD.

It would be one thing if KD was able to lead us deep into the playoffs but coming off a 36 win team that didn't even make it to the play in and the fact that father time is undefeated we are not going to get very good offers for him.

Now if we could trade Grayson or O'Neale to get under the 2nd apron you could maybe attach Dunn with KD to make the trade more enticing but it seems like half the board here would go nuts at even the idea of trading Dunn.

That’s what happens when you don’t have an actual qualified NBA GM and instead just have a “yes-man”.

sounds like they are doing a good job on the trade front as far as negotiating goes. We’ll see wha the final result looks like. I’m a lot more positive than I was a week ago that’s for sure.

[bwgood77]

I think a good comparison is when the Spurs traded Kawhi, though he was a lot younger. He only had one year left on his deal. They got DeRozan and his first. Kawhi was at his peak and in his 20s.

The only reason I think we may get more is if he agrees to extend, and also because it seems like people are willing to trade more than they used to.

But there really isn't a good precedent for trading a guy at this age. Nash got two firsts....not a good decision for the Lakers. Lillard was traded for a lot. Not a good decision for the Bucks. I think most every team will be very cautious.

It obviously only takes one, a team like Toronto was then (had been to the ECF many years in a row and LeBron was moving west) was worth it for them.

I have no idea why the Raptors would trade for KD now..makes zero sense although I Know KD likes Toronto. But they are rebuilding. That's why it seems like Minnesota or Houston makes the most sense, but if I'm Houston I don't give up a lot.

MIami is a borderline playoff team, so for them to give up a lot, and sacrifice depth for KD, I don't see them competing for anything really. I guess with Herro, Bam and KD, that would be pretty good, but still probably not HCA in the west unless one of the top teams gets injured. I guess Tatum is out, but you still have Cleveland, Indy, NY and Orlando.

[Ryu]

Will Toronto actually go beyond all the noise about their willingness to gamble on Durant without a long-term contract commitment to make a determined push for KD?

Sources say that the Raptors would be willing to part with either RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley for a significant roster upgrade. Several
league figures with knowledge of the Raptors' thinking have likewise asserted that they could show a willingness to move center Jakob Poeltl as well ... provided that the trade in question brought back Durant.

The Raptors' No. 9 pick is also increasingly viewed as perhaps the most likely top-10 pick in the draft to be traded. My sense is that Toronto would prefer to simply trade down rather than trade out of the first-round completely. Perhaps there is some swap potential in a deal with Phoenix and the Suns' No. 29 overall selection.

Quickley or Barrett...that's a tough question. IDK.
I like both players.

Good to know that #9 is available. I wouldn't care much about trading #29 for #9 but we need a future unprotected pick added in the final package.

I like Barrett more. IQ is grossly overpaid, Barrett is a nice player and would slot right in as a solid starting 3. To be noted, some fella named Steve Nash is his godfather.

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[Ghost of Kleine]

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Again, I don't care what KD wants or what the optical might appear to be. This is about out franchise's future!! I'll send him to any team willing to offer a solid package. Even if for a rental. But I'm of the belief that's entirely a bluff on KDs' part as the recieving team would also acquire his bird rights and could pay him much more than any other teams could for his extension.

And I really don't think he'd be willing to give up money on the table on his very last contract before retirement!! I'll send him to the Wolves, The Hawks, The Raptors, The Celtics, wherever returns the best deal. ...............PERIOD!!!!!

[BobbieL]

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I think Gambo mentioned Sochan, Vassell, Barnes and the 14th

Or maybe that was implied

Has Gambo mentioned any true specifics? Or just vague stuff

[Ghost of Kleine]

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I'mon the phone right now doing this deal without hesitation!!!!

Send it in to the league office tonight!!!
Barrett/ Poetl/ Dick or Abaji and the 9th pick!!

Then I'm on the phone with Brooklyn about sending them Barrett/ Poetl/9th pick for Cam Johnson/ Claxton/ Clowney/ 19th pick/ 26th pick/ 36th pick/ PHI 27' 1st ( protected 1-8). OR New York 27' 1st.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Also......YES!!!

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Without Ware? Absolutely not close!!! Even though Jo'an Beringer would be a very similar prospect to be had at/ around 20. There are much better value offers.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Please tell me that Ishbias' not demanding either of those two players and that's what's derailing the whole Houston trade??

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