Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

[frankenwolf]

Before long, we all die. Right now, I'm looking at the next five years and KD will be worthless in five years.

I'm confused....you say you are looking at the next 5 years (so in basketball terms, 2025-26, 2026-27, 2027-28, 2028-29, and 2029-30), but don't want to trade for him because he will be worthless in 2030-31.

IF you can guarantee me that bring in KD, destroying our depth and putting us in cap hell will get us a championship in the next five years, then do it. I do not see that KD is the final piece of the championship puzzle. The next five years should be prime Ant time and I am looking forward to a 'chip or two. Get decent pieces around him.

[TimberKat]

So a guy who plays no defense, can't stay healthy and crumbles in the Playoffs?

I think we can do much better.

Garland has been great all year until he was hurt in the playoffs. If we had Garland (instead of drafted Culver), we may had won an NBA title last year. At last would be in the finals.

He always gets hurt. And his Playoff numbers for his career are not good. I think this was from Canis:

His Playoff numbers drop from his regular season every year. And it gets worse as they go deeper.

Garland is 2-8 in two Easter Conference Second Round Series.

34.6 MPG: 15.8 PPG (38/26/95), 5.4 APG, 2.5 TO.

In 22 career Playoff games, he's been held under 20 points 13 times.

In the other 9 games: 32, 30, 27, 23, 23, 21, 21, 21, 21.

His Playoff high for assists is 10. He did that once. He's had 4 or less 8 times.

If you care about +/-, he has 8 positive games and 15 negative ones.

I am not looking at it that way. Everyone said Haliburton was overrated before this play off. Players have ups and downs. He would be a good option. If not him who? Tyrus Jones or DLo?

[Klomp]

Before long, we all die. Right now, I'm looking at the next five years and KD will be worthless in five years.

I'm confused....you say you are looking at the next 5 years (so in basketball terms, 2025-26, 2026-27, 2027-28, 2028-29, and 2029-30), but don't want to trade for him because he will be worthless in 2030-31.

IF you can guarantee me that bring in KD, destroying our depth and putting us in cap hell will get us a championship in the next five years, then do it. I do not see that KD is the final piece of the championship puzzle. The next five years should be prime Ant time and I am looking forward to a 'chip or two. Get decent pieces around him.

During the season, all the rage for the fan base was about getting minutes opened up for Dillingham, Shannon, Clark, etc. But when an opportunity comes up that would create paths for them to contribute, the fan base whines about depleting the team's depth.

I don't think we can have it both ways.

[BlacJacMac]

Garland has been great all year until he was hurt in the playoffs. If we had Garland (instead of drafted Culver), we may had won an NBA title last year. At last would be in the finals.

He always gets hurt. And his Playoff numbers for his career are not good. I think this was from Canis:

His Playoff numbers drop from his regular season every year. And it gets worse as they go deeper.

Garland is 2-8 in two Easter Conference Second Round Series.

34.6 MPG: 15.8 PPG (38/26/95), 5.4 APG, 2.5 TO.

In 22 career Playoff games, he's been held under 20 points 13 times.

In the other 9 games: 32, 30, 27, 23, 23, 21, 21, 21, 21.

His Playoff high for assists is 10. He did that once. He's had 4 or less 8 times.

If you care about +/-, he has 8 positive games and 15 negative ones.

I am not looking at it that way. Everyone said Haliburton was overrated before this play off. Players have ups and downs. He would be a good option. If not him who? Tyrus Jones or DLo?

Why not just add Kris Dunn and the ghost of Jonny Flynn?

[Neeva]

For the minimum it wouldn’t be a bad idea to bring Tyus home. He ain’t doing **** for us in playoffs though but neither is Garland really.

[BlacJacMac]

For the minimum it wouldn’t be a bad idea to bring Tyus home. He ain’t doing **** for us in playoffs though but neither is Garland really.

Tyus at the minimum would be a fine stopgap.

[shrink]

I was also asked if MIN traded Mike Conley at the draft (this season), and he was waived, could MIN sign him two weeks later in free agency (next season).

It sounds like this is illegal, and trades done after the trade season reopens prevents a player from returning to his original club until the end of next season.

[TimberKat]

He always gets hurt. And his Playoff numbers for his career are not good. I think this was from Canis:

I am not looking at it that way. Everyone said Haliburton was overrated before this play off. Players have ups and downs. He would be a good option. If not him who? Tyrus Jones or DLo?

Why not just add Kris Dunn and the ghost of Jonny Flynn?

Actually Kris Dunn is playing relatively well in a limited roll for the Clippers. Is adding him going to make us competitive with OKC? I won't mind having him instead of NAW. I don't see him as starting player.

[Norseman79]

Let's play a game called what's likely going to happen...
NAW is gone, Randle will be gone, Naz will be extended.

PG - Conley Jr, Dillingham
SG - Ant, DD, Clark
SF - McDaniels, TSJ, Minott
PF - Naz, ???, Miller
C. - Gobert, ????, Garza

Simple free agent vet PG - Tyus Jones
Draft 17 and 31 BPA at PF/C

[moss_is_1]

Let's play a game called what's likely going to happen...
NAW is gone, Randle will be gone, Naz will be extended.

PG - Conley Jr, Dillingham
SG - Ant, DD, Clark
SF - McDaniels, TSJ, Minott
PF - Naz, ???, Miller
C. - Gobert, ????, Garza

Simple free agent vet PG - Tyus Jones
Draft 17 and 31 BPA at PF/C

What are we getting for Randle? I doubt we just let him walk.

Besides Tyus there's a few decent guard options. Brogdon, Melton, Bruce Brown

[frankenwolf]

I'm confused....you say you are looking at the next 5 years (so in basketball terms, 2025-26, 2026-27, 2027-28, 2028-29, and 2029-30), but don't want to trade for him because he will be worthless in 2030-31.

IF you can guarantee me that bring in KD, destroying our depth and putting us in cap hell will get us a championship in the next five years, then do it. I do not see that KD is the final piece of the championship puzzle. The next five years should be prime Ant time and I am looking forward to a 'chip or two. Get decent pieces around him.

During the season, all the rage for the fan base was about getting minutes opened up for Dillingham, Shannon, Clark, etc. But when an opportunity comes up that would create paths for them to contribute, the fan base whines about depleting the team's depth.

I don't think we can have it both ways.

You are right, we can't. . . but then, I was one of those hollering for more minutes for the young guys, so....IDK.

[fattymcgee]

Let's play a game called what's likely going to happen...
NAW is gone, Randle will be gone, Naz will be extended.

PG - Conley Jr, Dillingham
SG - Ant, DD, Clark
SF - McDaniels, TSJ, Minott
PF - Naz, ???, Miller
C. - Gobert, ????, Garza

Simple free agent vet PG - Tyus Jones
Draft 17 and 31 BPA at PF/C

What are we getting for Randle? I doubt we just let him walk.

Besides Tyus there's a few decent guard options. Brogdon, Melton, Bruce Brown

If Randle wants to walk, he can just walk and we get nothing. However, he said he wants to be here so he is probably looking for an extension. If we don't give him an extension by June 30th, does he opt-in or opt-out?

[shrink]

Let's play a game called what's likely going to happen...
NAW is gone, Randle will be gone, Naz will be extended.

PG - Conley Jr, Dillingham
SG - Ant, DD, Clark
SF - McDaniels, TSJ, Minott
PF - Naz, ???, Miller
C. - Gobert, ????, Garza

Simple free agent vet PG - Tyus Jones
Draft 17 and 31 BPA at PF/C

What are we getting for Randle? I doubt we just let him walk.

Besides Tyus there's a few decent guard options. Brogdon, Melton, Bruce Brown

If Randle wants to walk, he can just walk and we get nothing. However, he said he wants to be here so he is probably looking for an extension. If we don't give him an extension by June 30th, does he opt-in or opt-out?

Just to be clear for those that might not know ..

First, Randle chooses whether to pick up his player option or let it expire and become a UFA.
Next, free agency opens up, any team, including us with Bird rights, can make him a new contract offer.
Finally, whichever team he plays for next season can offer him an extension, any time up to the last day of the NBA season.

I think to answer your question, he still opts in. If MIN won’t extend him at a number he likes, he may be disgruntled, but he’d have to work with the team to find a trade destination. There is just too little available money in free agency for him to opt out, unless he knows we, or some other team, will give him an offer he likes.

[Ethomasp31]

Let's play a game called what's likely going to happen...
NAW is gone, Randle will be gone, Naz will be extended.

PG - Conley Jr, Dillingham
SG - Ant, DD, Clark
SF - McDaniels, TSJ, Minott
PF - Naz, ???, Miller
C. - Gobert, ????, Garza

Simple free agent vet PG - Tyus Jones
Draft 17 and 31 BPA at PF/C

That team will be playing in the play-in game.

[Norseman79]

Let's play a game called what's likely going to happen...
NAW is gone, Randle will be gone, Naz will be extended.

PG - Conley Jr, Dillingham
SG - Ant, DD, Clark
SF - McDaniels, TSJ, Minott
PF - Naz, ???, Miller
C. - Gobert, ????, Garza

Simple free agent vet PG - Tyus Jones
Draft 17 and 31 BPA at PF/C

That team will be playing in the play-in game.

Depends on what they end up getting for Randle, if anything.

[Norseman79]

Let's play a game called what's likely going to happen...
NAW is gone, Randle will be gone, Naz will be extended.

PG - Conley Jr, Dillingham
SG - Ant, DD, Clark
SF - McDaniels, TSJ, Minott
PF - Naz, ???, Miller
C. - Gobert, ????, Garza

Simple free agent vet PG - Tyus Jones
Draft 17 and 31 BPA at PF/C

What are we getting for Randle? I doubt we just let him walk.

Besides Tyus there's a few decent guard options. Brogdon, Melton, Bruce Brown

We really don't have a choice if he opts out of his contract.

Jones is the best pure PG out of that group

[BlacJacMac]

Let's play a game called what's likely going to happen...
NAW is gone, Randle will be gone, Naz will be extended.

PG - Conley Jr, Dillingham
SG - Ant, DD, Clark
SF - McDaniels, TSJ, Minott
PF - Naz, ???, Miller
C. - Gobert, ????, Garza

Simple free agent vet PG - Tyus Jones
Draft 17 and 31 BPA at PF/C

What are we getting for Randle? I doubt we just let him walk.

Besides Tyus there's a few decent guard options. Brogdon, Melton, Bruce Brown

We really don't have a choice if he opts out of his contract.

Jones is the best pure PG out of that group

I just can't see Randle opting out. Brooklyn makes no sense. If anything he'll play out the year and try again next offseason when there is more money available.

[TimberKat]

What are we getting for Randle? I doubt we just let him walk.

Besides Tyus there's a few decent guard options. Brogdon, Melton, Bruce Brown

We really don't have a choice if he opts out of his contract.

Jones is the best pure PG out of that group

I just can't see Randle opting out. Brooklyn makes no sense. If anything he'll play out the year and try again next offseason when there is more money available.

Randle already opt out. If he plays for Wolves again, it will be under a new contract

[BlacJacMac]

We really don't have a choice if he opts out of his contract.

Jones is the best pure PG out of that group

I just can't see Randle opting out. Brooklyn makes no sense. If anything he'll play out the year and try again next offseason when there is more money available.

Randle already opt out. If he plays for Wolves again, it will be under a new contract

This is totally wrong.

In the 2025 NBA season, the deadline for players to exercise or decline player options is June 29 (4 days after Day 1 of the draft). This is also the last day for teams to make qualifying offers to players eligible for restricted free agency.

[TimberKat]

I just can't see Randle opting out. Brooklyn makes no sense. If anything he'll play out the year and try again next offseason when there is more money available.

Randle already opt out. If he plays for Wolves again, it will be under a new contract

This is totally wrong.

In the 2025 NBA season, the deadline for players to exercise or decline player options is June 29 (4 days after Day 1 of the draft). This is also the last day for teams to make qualifying offers to players eligible for restricted free agency.

I must miss read some report that had them already opt out but maybe it's just likely but not officially.