Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

[PushDaRock]

The crowd who hated tanking last season is going to love tanking for the next 2-3+ years after we blow all our assets on a washed up 37 year-old who might buy us a first round exit for one season before retiring.

And yet MU is gonna be trying hard to do exactly that. Let's hope Ed stops him.

Trust in Ed!!!

[djsunyc]

I remember Bobby saying that, but I recall Grange and Lewenberg portraying it as we backed off once Dame was adamant about not going to Toronto. I won't swear by that one though, so I will defer to your recollection here. Kind of makes it worse then, IMO. They need to stop chasing guys that make it clear they want no part of the Raps.

Literally the only reason this franchise has a championship right now is because they didn't follow that suggestion.

And everything had to go 100% their direction.

- Kwahi wanting out of SA
- Toronto having the best offer
- Toronto a team ready to be a contender if you drop Kwahi in it
- aquistion of gasol
- FVV and Siakam playing better than expected in the PO
- Kwahi actually give a damn
- Kwahi actually beeing healthy (more or less) in the PO
- greatest but also veryunlikely buzzer beat that ever have been seen in the Playoffs
- KD and Klay injured in the finals

Did i forget something?

This was simply a perfect storm, that is not something you can recreate just by trading for a big name.

the word you are looking for is luck. plays a way bigger part in things than folks are willing to admit.

[Randle McMurphy]

I remember Bobby saying that, but I recall Grange and Lewenberg portraying it as we backed off once Dame was adamant about not going to Toronto. I won't swear by that one though, so I will defer to your recollection here. Kind of makes it worse then, IMO. They need to stop chasing guys that make it clear they want no part of the Raps.

Literally the only reason this franchise has a championship right now is because they didn't follow that suggestion.

And everything had to go 100% their direction.

- Kwahi wanting out of SA
- Toronto having the best offer
- Toronto a team ready to be a contender if you drop Kwahi in it
- aquistion of gasol
- FVV and Siakam playing better than expected in the PO
- Kwahi actually give a damn
- Kwahi actually beeing healthy (more or less) in the PO
- greatest but also veryunlikely buzzer beat that ever have been seen in the Playoffs
- KD and Klay injured in the finals

Did i forget something?

This was simply a perfect storm, that is not something you can recreate just by trading for a big name.

I don't disagree, but the idea that the Raptors shouldn't trade for players who don't want to be here restricts them considerably. The vast majority of the league doesn't want to play/live in Canada.

[WuTang_CMB]

So? It was proven to be 100% correct. Trades happen all the time with players not wanting to go to places, the whole staying thing is the issue. The Kawhi one was a calculated risk, this is just another short-sighted move in a long line of them.

I'm here for maximum chaos though, bring him in, at least it'll be entertaining.

So what .. lol Masai did the deal and didn't give af

Like I said, cause it was worth the risk, this would not be worth the risk. But honestly I wouldnt want KD to re-up with us, that would be an awful contract lol

We don't know what he's spending yet so too early to say. If KD wants to re-up with us, we are re-upping him.

[OhCanada]

How's this news. Masai already said this. We know he'll trade anyone except Scottie unless its Giannis coming back.

[Shakril]

Literally the only reason this franchise has a championship right now is because they didn't follow that suggestion.

And everything had to go 100% their direction.

- Kwahi wanting out of SA
- Toronto having the best offer
- Toronto a team ready to be a contender if you drop Kwahi in it
- aquistion of gasol
- FVV and Siakam playing better than expected in the PO
- Kwahi actually give a damn
- Kwahi actually beeing healthy (more or less) in the PO
- greatest but also veryunlikely buzzer beat that ever have been seen in the Playoffs
- KD and Klay injured in the finals

Did i forget something?

This was simply a perfect storm, that is not something you can recreate just by trading for a big name.

I don't disagree, but the idea that the Raptors shouldn't trade for players who don't want to be here restricts them considerably. The vast majority of the league doesn't want to play/live in Canada.

You can do that with players that have longer contracts or are cheap. Kwahi at the time was cheap, of course you do it. If we get giannis, for RJ, Jak and 1 first, it would be a no brainer. But we are talking about KD who is not in that stratosphere anymore.

[LoveMyRaps]

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[SpezNc]

Raps' name is being used as leverage. As soon as Dame said no to Toronto, the Raps backed off right away. Suns can say they will deal him to whomever offers the best package, but that is not true at all. Durant scuttled the deal at the deadline to GS and will go to a desired destination. Suns just don't like the current offers and want them improved.

Look at Durant's desired list. It's obvious what he wants.

That's what it looks like but their desire is seemingly real. Maybe they think that 9+Yak+RJ/IQ for KD+29 is worth the one year rental and headache of an unhappy KD

I'm all for trading for Durant if he agrees to Toronto. But if he agrees to play this season out but tells Masai from the get-go that he will not extend with the Raps, then the price better be reflective of that.

KD is aging , he can decline at any moment . Maybe he has preference but it be wise for him to not try to get an extension regardless of the acquiring team and then maybe ask for a trade request at deadline if things turned sour.

Also let’s say Durant is an UFA. Who is going to have ten cap space ? I don’t think many teams will purposely plan to have cap space in case 38 years old durant is available.

Would a sign and trade be possible then ?

I am just wondering if there will be a way to partially recoup some value (obviously not all) even if thing turn south and Durant want to leave after 1 year

But I understand 1000% the reluctance of most Raps fans especially if pick 9 is involve.

[Tha Cynic]

I remember Bobby saying that, but I recall Grange and Lewenberg portraying it as we backed off once Dame was adamant about not going to Toronto. I won't swear by that one though, so I will defer to your recollection here. Kind of makes it worse then, IMO. They need to stop chasing guys that make it clear they want no part of the Raps.

Literally the only reason this franchise has a championship right now is because they didn't follow that suggestion.

And everything had to go 100% their direction.

- Kwahi wanting out of SA
- Toronto having the best offer
- Toronto a team ready to be a contender if you drop Kwahi in it
- aquistion of gasol
- FVV and Siakam playing better than expected in the PO
- Kwahi actually give a damn
- Kwahi actually beeing healthy (more or less) in the PO
- greatest but also veryunlikely buzzer beat that ever have been seen in the Playoffs
- KD and Klay injured in the finals

Did i forget something?

This was simply a perfect storm, that is not something you can recreate just by trading for a big name.

The Raptors had a very good team that was balanced and had tons of assets that they developed through the draft. They were a very good regular season team that was missing a superstar. They went and got that superstar using the assets they had accumulated over the years.

This wasn’t some simple luck lol. The Raptors had the second best record in the league behind the Warriors for a decade stretch worth of games. It was a carefully built team where they did everything they had at their disposal to accumulate assets and then consolidated.

Masai isn’t some simpleton lol who just got lucky.

[SpezNc]

I don't see how giving up 2 starters plus the 9th pick makes sense for a 37 year old KD that doesn't even want to play here...I don't see it happening.

Once you give up Poeltl and the 9th pick Raptors will have no starting or backup center....it will be a nightmare. Even if they're receiving a center back in the trade they won't be anything special, probably backup worthy at best.

No, it doesn't make sense but we might very well have a guy who's desperate to make a splash leading the charge. That's what it looks like if rumors are true. I thought Masai Ujiri was above stooping to Colangelo level but maybe not.

I'm sincerely rooting for Durant to go where he wants.

I think Ed Rogers is behind this . I think Edward Rogers wants money . Raptors has been a losing team in past two years despite spending up to the tax limit. It’s a very expensive rebuild even if it’s only two seasons.

Rogers is probably forcing Masai to make the playoffs.

Rogers probably don’t really care about long term success as long as Raptors are profitable.

I think Raptors lost a lot of Season ticket last season and I wonder if its a major concern for Rogers

As fan, being a “mid” team is a bad position to be. But it could a good one financially.

[Dalek]

My upgrade option is Jamal Murray. His stock may not be as high as Banes because of his injuries, but I still think he is an elite PG in the NBA and a proven playoff performer. Also, extremely marketable here being a big part of Team Canada.

Could a deal like IQ, Gradey Dick and two FRPs be enough? (Quick-Dick-Picks)

[LoveMyRaps]

My upgrade option is Jamal Murray. His stock may not be as high as Banes because of his injuries, but I still think he is an elite PG in the NBA and a proven playoff performer. Also, extremely marketable here being a big part of Team Canada.

Could a deal like IQ, Gradey Dick and two FRPs be enough? (Quick-Dick-Picks)

Way too much for Murray

[Tha Cynic]

I kind of get the sense that American media hates that the Raptors always target superstars who they want to see on their favourite American teams

[Raptors Realtor]

The crowd who hated tanking last season is going to love tanking for the next 2-3+ years after we blow all our assets on a washed up 37 year-old who might buy us a first round exit for one season before retiring.

And yet MU is gonna be trying hard to do exactly that. Let's hope Ed stops him.

Settle down Randle, you're so dramatic all the time.

[basketballto]

You can always flip Durant at the deadline for more. That #9 pick isn't going to turn into what we want and it's better to cash in now. RJ, Poeltl will need to get paid soon, IQ has been a let down.

[CazOnReal]

My upgrade option is Jamal Murray. His stock may not be as high as Banes because of his injuries, but I still think he is an elite PG in the NBA and a proven playoff performer. Also, extremely marketable here being a big part of Team Canada.

Could a deal like IQ, Gradey Dick and two FRPs be enough? (Quick-Dick-Picks)

That's not an upgrade, Quickley averages basically the same stats as him on a significantly cheaper contract

[WuTang_CMB]

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[GoRapstheoriginal]

Hard pass.

[SpezNc]

It’s funny how in the NBA the preferred destination always try to get a player on the cheap . I mean I get it in some ways but sometimes you have to wonder

At least the Knicks are clear they aren’t interested .

[WuTang_CMB]

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