Is Caitlin Clark a bigger star than any of the young NBA talent?

[Clyde Frazier]

If she is the bigger star, then certainly she is getting paid more endorsement money, right? So show me the numbers - what she is getting compared to young NBA stars?

Didn't read the thread but you can be sure that absolutely no-one outside the U.S. has never even heard of her.

What on earth are you talking about LOL

[dhsilv2]

If she is the bigger star, then certainly she is getting paid more endorsement money, right? So show me the numbers - what she is getting compared to young NBA stars?

Didn't read the thread but you can be sure that absolutely no-one outside the U.S. has never even heard of her.

What on earth are you talking about LOL

Does anyone actually have anything on her celebrity outside the states? Seems like it keeps coming up, but nobody's quantified it.

[Profound23]

If she is the bigger star, then certainly she is getting paid more endorsement money, right? So show me the numbers - what she is getting compared to young NBA stars?

Didn't read the thread but you can be sure that absolutely no-one outside the U.S. has never even heard of her.

What on earth are you talking about LOL

Does anyone actually have anything on her celebrity outside the states? Seems like it keeps coming up, but nobody's quantified it.

According to Chatgpt:

-European Interest: In Iceland, fans have organized late-night watch parties to view her games, highlighting her growing popularity in Europe. Similarly, in countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Poland, and Slovenia, fans are setting alarms to catch her games, despite the late hours

-Indian Media Coverage: In India, Caitlin Clark has been featured in major media outlets like Firstpost, where she was described as the "face of women's basketball," reflecting her rising status in South Asia .

-International Awards and Rankings: Clark was nominated for the BBC's 2024 World Sport Star of the Year award, competing alongside global sports icons, underscoring her international acclaim . Additionally, she was ranked fourth in SportsPro's list of the "50 Most Marketable" athletes globally, surpassing many established stars.

Also, if she is given a chance to play in the 2028 Olympics...and does well....Clark will be worldwide celebrity. Of course, by that time Wemby (assuming he stays healthy) could win a couple of titles and be what Lebron was over the past 20 years.

[dhsilv2]

What on earth are you talking about LOL

Does anyone actually have anything on her celebrity outside the states? Seems like it keeps coming up, but nobody's quantified it.

According to Chatgpt:

-European Interest: In Iceland, fans have organized late-night watch parties to view her games, highlighting her growing popularity in Europe. Similarly, in countries like Nigeria, Kenya, Poland, and Slovenia, fans are setting alarms to catch her games, despite the late hours

-Indian Media Coverage: In India, Caitlin Clark has been featured in major media outlets like Firstpost, where she was described as the "face of women's basketball," reflecting her rising status in South Asia .

-International Awards and Rankings: Clark was nominated for the BBC's 2024 World Sport Star of the Year award, competing alongside global sports icons, underscoring her international acclaim . Additionally, she was ranked fourth in SportsPro's list of the "50 Most Marketable" athletes globally, surpassing many established stars.

Also, if she is given a chance to play in the 2028 Olympics...and does well....Clark will be worldwide celebrity. Of course, by that time Wemby (assuming he stays healthy) could win a couple of titles and be what Lebron was over the past 20 years.

This feels like what I already got called out on. Not great hard data but cool none the less.

I agree with the last point pretty heavy. If she does well in 2028 and she attracts fans elsewhere, that'll be great. I still as a personal opinion don't get it. She's...nothing special for me. So I'm just leaning on others as I"d be a moron to deny her clear appeal to some!

[KGtabake]

Yeah, sure.

Numbers say otherwise. What new eyes have Jokic and Giannis brought to the sport? Clark has single handedly made a boring sport stuck in perpetual decline relevant to the masses. And she did so in weeks. I'm still not watching but again, the numbers and the fact that I know more about the WNBA than I care for is proof enough. Your granny probably has a Clark jersey stashed away.

LONDON – The National Basketball Association (NBA) today announced that the 2023-24 regular season delivered record-breaking engagement in Europe and the Middle East (EME) across the NBA App, NBA League Pass and the league’s 18 localized social media accounts in EME. Highlights include:

https://pr.nba.com/2023-24-nba-season-europe-middle-east/

The numbers absolutely show the opposite.

Yes, that was in large part thanks to Wemby. The article even states it. Nice try.

My dude. If you want to believe that a player of WNBA is a bigger global superstar than Jokic, Giannis, Tatum or whoever NBA All Star and Champion, you're free to believe it.
You're free to believe whatever you want to believe but facts show the truth.
And the truth is that the NBA is more popular than ever globally with many countries broadcasting it's games.
I seriously doubt if you'll find more than a handful of countries showing WNBA games.

If you ever find anyone with a Clark jersey around Europe or Asia(or anywhere else) please feel free to share a photo.
I'm out of here.

[azcatz11]

If she is the bigger star, then certainly she is getting paid more endorsement money, right? So show me the numbers - what she is getting compared to young NBA stars?

Didn't read the thread but you can be sure that absolutely no-one outside the U.S. has never even heard of her.

What on earth are you talking about LOL

Does anyone actually have anything on her celebrity outside the states? Seems like it keeps coming up, but nobody's quantified it.

Why do we have to quantify everywhere she’s famous globally? We are framing this as a US centric viewpoint. If you have a power in Thailand saying she’s not popular there it doesn’t disqualify the entire thread. I would have thought that would be implied

[Optms]

https://pr.nba.com/2023-24-nba-season-europe-middle-east/

The numbers absolutely show the opposite.

Yes, that was in large part thanks to Wemby. The article even states it. Nice try.

My dude. If you want to believe that a player of WNBA is a bigger global superstar than Jokic, Giannis, Tatum or whoever NBA All Star and Champion, you're free to believe it.
You're free to believe whatever you want to believe but facts show the truth.
And the truth is that the NBA is more popular than ever globally with many countries broadcasting it's games.
I seriously doubt if you'll find more than a handful of countries showing WNBA games.

If you ever find anyone with a Clark jersey around Europe or Asia(or anywhere else) please feel free to share a photo.
I'm out of here.

No. The argument you're making is that of the NBA vs the WNBA. Not Clark vs insert foreign NBA player here.

Clark has put the entire WNBA on the map, a sport entirely subsidized by the NBA itself. She has become an iconic figure in the states and will become abroad given more time. Again, players like Jokic and Giannis need the NBA to be relevant and a large portion of the success they have made is due to being apart of the NBA.

A laughing stock of a sport seeing a 150% increase in attendance simply because one player was drafted to their league, those are the numbers that end your argument. I will also add the massive attendance loss when she doesnt even play. What are the numbers for Giannis/Joker again?

If you wanna compare them. Show me the data that NBA needs Jokic or Giannis to succeed. You can't. Clark being a bigger star overseas is still yet to be determined, she does not have the benefit of having a billion dollar corporation pushing her like the NBA foreign players do. However, despite all that backing from the NBA, Clark is still bigger than Giannis/Jokic. Only LeBron and Curry are for sure bigger names, stars, draws, etc.

[dhsilv2]

What on earth are you talking about LOL

Does anyone actually have anything on her celebrity outside the states? Seems like it keeps coming up, but nobody's quantified it.

Why do we have to quantify everywhere she’s famous globally? We are framing this as a US centric viewpoint. If you have a power in Thailand saying she’s not popular there it doesn’t disqualify the entire thread. I would have thought that would be implied

We are framing this as US centrist? That's not how I read this. Just because the OP seems to think only americans matter doesn't make it true.

[Bush4Ever]

Framing the analysis in terms of percentage increase is going to automatically bias things towards the WNBA player, since they are starting from such a lower baseline.

It's easier to 2x from 5 to 10 vs 500 to 1000, especially in a league that is saturated with star players (who probably bump into each other to some degree in terms of stardom and fame...it's not like you can have 30 megastars at once or the term has no meaning).

The answer might be CC anyway though. The conditions right now are basically perfect for her to win this type of comparison.

[axeman23]

No surprise. Outside or Lebron and Curry, she's a bigger star than all the rest of the NBA's elite. I wouldn't limit it to just young stars.

Who do you think your grandma knows more? Caitlyn Clark or Giannis and Jokic? Yeah, going with Caitlyn.

Yeah...no.
How many know her outside the US?
My grandma knows Giannis.
My 7 year old nephew knows Jokic.
The guys you mentioned are global superstars.
Women's basketball is non existent globally.

Yeah, sure.

Numbers say otherwise. What new eyes have Jokic and Giannis brought to the sport? Clark has single handedly made a boring sport stuck in perpetual decline relevant to the masses. And she did so in weeks. I'm still not watching but again, the numbers and the fact that I know more about the WNBA than I care for is proof enough. Your granny probably has a Clark jersey stashed away.

It REALLY means that CC makes games that WEREN'T considered worth tuning in for, WORTH having a look. I mean in NBA games there's almost always SOMEONE worth watching on the court, OR something will happen in the game to bring you out of your seat, multiple times a game: a dunk, an ankle-break, a block. Jokic and Giannis may have not brought as big a % of NEW eyes to the game, but THAT'S because so many were ALREADY watching. The more logical argument is that without CC, the WNBA is on struggle street, again.

[Jailblazers7]

“Bigger star” is a vague term that difficult to have a precise argument over. But Clark is a paradigm changing athlete for her sport which gives her the nod over any current NBA player imo. There will be a distinct before/after Clark when comparing eras in the history of women’s basketball.

[SportsGuru08]

No surprise. Outside or Lebron and Curry, she's a bigger star than all the rest of the NBA's elite. I wouldn't limit it to just young stars.

Who do you think your grandma knows more? Caitlyn Clark or Giannis and Jokic? Yeah, going with Caitlyn.

Yeah...no.
How many know her outside the US?
My grandma knows Giannis.
My 7 year old nephew knows Jokic.
The guys you mentioned are global superstars.
Women's basketball is non existent globally.

Yeah, sure.

Numbers say otherwise. What new eyes have Jokic and Giannis brought to the sport? Clark has single handedly made a boring sport stuck in perpetual decline relevant to the masses. And she did so in weeks. I'm still not watching but again, the numbers and the fact that I know more about the WNBA than I care for is proof enough. Your granny probably has a Clark jersey stashed away.

The WNBA still had a net loss in revenue last season even with the boost in ratings.

To paraphrase a famous YouTube s**tposter, all she did was "upgrade" the league's situation from cataclysmically horrific to simply trash.

[knicksfan974]

I don't live in the U.S. I cannot recall seeing a single news story in print media or TV about Clark, if you don't count the U.S. media. My strong belief is that outside of hardcore basketball fans she is an unknown globally. Basically no-one has ever even heard of her. But in all fairness, most young NBA stars are also not known globally by other than NBA fans. If I would ask a random person on the street who is Anthony Edwards or Ja Morant, I'm pretty they are are probably just as unknown as well.

[VicG]

“Bigger star” is a vague term that difficult to have a precise argument over. But Clark is a paradigm changing athlete for her sport which gives her the nod over any current NBA player imo. There will be a distinct before/after Clark when comparing eras in the history of women’s basketball.

This is exactly it.

[Clemenza]

SGA should be promoted as the biggest star in the NBA right now but it sure doesn't feel like it. And I don't want to hear about the nationality excuses. MLB is doing just fine with Ohtani being their poster boy.

Anybody that can knock the ball into the bleachers every 4th at bat has a great personality is a no brainer to be the face of MLB. Not to mention he's about to start pitching again.

[Clemenza]

SGA should be promoted as the biggest star in the NBA right now but it sure doesn't feel like it. And I don't want to hear about the nationality excuses. MLB is doing just fine with Ohtani being their poster boy.

NBA media doesn’t like North American guys who don’t cross people up or dunk or jack up 3’s. Add the small market factor and they’ll basically act like they’re bored.

Don’t be surprised if the TV talking heads start trashing the CBA and salary rules in a couple of years. They’ll blame that for the lack of a NA face of the league and too much parity and the reason for bad ratings.

The league is probably pivoting to parity and highlighting "team play" on purpose with this new CBA because the superstar era is over with. The superteams and Big 3's came because of Bron and KD for the most part. These kids aren't thinking about teaming up with each other and competing for a ring. Not sure if they even hang out or are friends with each other. The Euro stars don't even want to be traded even if their teams stink and aren't' going nowhere. We can change the CBA back to where it was a couple of years ago, but these youngsters could care less about forming a Big 3. And Big 3's came about because once Shaq got on Inside The NBA and started ripping Barkley about being ringless, then all the current stars started panicking and jumping ship so they didn't end up like Charles getting ripped by Shaq for not winning a championship. These new stars could care less about those two fat f*cks on TNT and what they have to say. They just want the money and play for whoever they play for.

[sashaturiaf]

Yes obviously she is and it's not even close. Who is a young NBA star? SGA? Haliburton? Nobody outside of NBA fanatics cares about those guys

Forget Caitlyn Clark. I think the argument is whether Angel Reese is a bigger star than the young NBA stars, and I think she may just be.

[TheSuzerain]

What on earth are you talking about LOL

Does anyone actually have anything on her celebrity outside the states? Seems like it keeps coming up, but nobody's quantified it.

Why do we have to quantify everywhere she’s famous globally? We are framing this as a US centric viewpoint. If you have a power in Thailand saying she’s not popular there it doesn’t disqualify the entire thread. I would have thought that would be implied

It does highlight that leaving her off the Olympic team was one of the dumbest decisions of all time.

Anyone involved in that selection should no longer be welcome with Team USA.

[dhsilv2]

Yes obviously she is and it's not even close. Who is a young NBA star? SGA? Haliburton? Nobody outside of NBA fanatics cares about those guys

Forget Caitlyn Clark. I think the argument is whether Angel Reese is a bigger star than the young NBA stars, and I think she may just be.

I mean the obvious comp would be Wemby no?

Per my very quick google, Clark has 1.5 million instagram followers and Wemb 3.4 million. Now I have zero idea what that really means. I don't do instagram. But I wouldn't be shocked to hear either of them is more popular than the other. Meaning, I don't think there's an obvious gap here.

[Mephariel]

Does anyone actually have anything on her celebrity outside the states? Seems like it keeps coming up, but nobody's quantified it.

Why do we have to quantify everywhere she’s famous globally? We are framing this as a US centric viewpoint. If you have a power in Thailand saying she’s not popular there it doesn’t disqualify the entire thread. I would have thought that would be implied

It does highlight that leaving her off the Olympic team was one of the dumbest decisions of all time.

Anyone involved in that selection should no longer be welcome with Team USA.

She didn't deserve to be on the Olympic team at the time. Again, this highlights how Clark is an amazing player, but her fanbase is probably the worst in sports. The Olympic committee selected a team that won the gold medal, but should no longer be welcome...right.