2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft - Volume III

[Negrodamus]

That site has Ace taking 62 total free throw attempts in FOUR YEARS of high school ball.

Only ADS afflicted can take that misinformation seriously.

Can you provide the MaxPreps sample size (FTA, FTM, games, etc)?

[Arsenal]

Watching these finals, a guy like Kon Kneuppel will never get a shot off against this level of athleticism and length.

[76ciology]

But a long scoring wing is the holy grail

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I think this is the root of the irrational hype around Ace. It’s the label, people automatically hear “6’9 two-way scoring wing” and assume its the “holy grail” of basketball, without really examining the details or how the modern game is played.

The true holy grail wings are the ones with guard skills, guys who can shoot, create off the dribble, finish at the rim, and make plays for others. Think of the 6’5” Jalen Williams or the 6’7” version of Kawhi.

The “two-way, off-ball, catch-and-shoot scorer” with shaky feel and no guard skills? That’s a profile closer to Andrew Wiggins, Jonathan Kuminga, Rudy Gay, Jeremy Lamb, Kevin Knox or Jabari Smith Jr., athletic and talented, but not the kind of playmaker or multi-faceted threat that can be a mismatch against guards like Aaron Nesmith, against wings like OG Anunoby or can blow past Rudy Gobert with the ball in his hands.

[Negrodamus]

Jalen Williams giving hope for our Tech Neck Queen, Derik Queen. Bad posture guys can have success.

[76ciology]

Watching these finals, a guy like Kon Kneuppel will never get a shot off against this level of athleticism and length.

He can, just like how Nembhard and TJ McConnell generate offense. He’s capable of getting to the midrange and using his craft, bump moves, footwork, pacing, to create quality looks. He also has the IQ to avoid turnovers, find the open man, and consistently choose the right shots within the flow of the game. His 220lbs frame also allows him to defend bigger players.

In today’s NBA, 6’4”–6’6” guards who have adequate scoring bag, can shoot, make plays, and process the game with high IQ are the ones who rules in today’s NBA.

[Arsenal]

Watching these finals, a guy like Kon Kneuppel will never get a shot off against this level of athleticism and length.

He can, just like how Nembhard and TJ McConnell generate offense. He’s capable of getting to the midrange and using his craft, bump moves, footwork, pacing, to create quality looks. He also has the IQ to avoid turnovers, find the open man, and consistently choose the right shots within the flow of the game. His 220lbs frame also allows him to defend bigger players.

In today’s NBA, 6’4”–6’6” guards who have adequate scoring bag, can shoot, make plays, and process the game with high IQ are the ones who rules in today’s NBA.

Nembhard and McConnell are way more athletic and have handles to get to spots in the midrange. Kon has none of that, no in between game and no off the dribble game.

[Negrodamus]

But a long scoring wing is the holy grail

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I think this is the root of the irrational hype around Ace. It’s the label, people automatically hear “6’9 two-way scoring wing” and assume its the “holy grail” of basketball, without really examining the details or how the modern game is played.

The true holy grail wings are the ones with guard skills, guys who can shoot, create off the dribble, finish at the rim, and make plays for others. Think of the 6’5” Jalen Williams or the 6’7” version of Kawhi.

The “two-way, off-ball, catch-and-shoot scorer” with shaky feel and no guard skills? That’s a profile closer to Andrew Wiggins, Jonathan Kuminga, Rudy Gay, Jeremy Lamb, Kevin Knox or Jabari Smith Jr., athletic and talented, but not the kind of playmaker or multi-faceted threat that can be a mismatch against guards like Aaron Nesmith, against wings like OG Anunoby or can blow past Rudy Gobert with the ball in his hands.

Watch on YouTube

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[76ciology]

That site has Ace taking 62 total free throw attempts in FOUR YEARS of high school ball.

Only ADS afflicted can take that misinformation seriously.

Can you provide the MaxPreps sample size (FTA, FTM, games, etc)?

It’s so simple. Is Ace Bailey shooting 3s like a 90FT% or a 69FT% shooter? That should answer the question

[76ciology]

Nembhard and McConnell are way more athletic and have handles to get to spots in the midrange. Kon has none of that, no in between game and no off the dribble game.

I dont agree. He is way more talented scorer than both.

[76ciology]

The way the game is played now, there’s really only one clear mismatch to target offensively, and that’s the big.

Most of the players who can consistently exploit those bigs are guards. Bigs are usually in drop coverage, guards can pull up for the middy and better equipped to break them down.

Meanwhile, it’s now harder for wings to score. The league has phased out the smaller 6’1”–6’3” guards, allowed more physicality for these slightly smaller than wing sized guards on defense (Tre Johnson has upside on defense if he will just focus on improving), and today’s bigs are far more mobile and switchable than ever.

So if you’re a wing, you need a deep bag. You no longer have a clear quickness advantage against bigs or a size mismatch against guards.

I don’t see Ace Bailey consistently blowing past guys like Myles Turner, Siakam, Hartenstein, or Chet Holmgren with the ball in his hands. I also see these guards pressuring his handle (they’re pressuring ball handlers full court) that will lead to a lot of ill advised turn around jumpers and turnovers.

[Negrodamus]

Of the guards/wings, I really think Kasparas should be the third pick. Self created mid range and rim shots, FT%, ballhandling, assists. The 3pt upside. 6’6. I don’t even care about the lack of dunks. This draft is poo poo, so we should go for the star indicators.

[Arsenal]

Nembhard and McConnell are way more athletic and have handles to get to spots in the midrange. Kon has none of that, no in between game and no off the dribble game.

I dont agree. He is way more talented scorer than both.

Only in college.

[76ciology]

Watch. It’s mostly running a 2man targeting Turner or Chet. This way they also pull the rim protector away from the rim.

Then once they drive and kick it out, the player receiving the ball has to be able to read the defense, put it on the floor, and attack closeouts effectively.

[76ciology]

Of the guards/wings, I really think Kasparas should be the third pick. Self created mid range and rim shots, FT%, ballhandling, assists. The 3pt upside. 6’6. I don’t even care about the lack of dunks. This draft is poo poo, so we should go for the star indicators.

He’s basically Kneuppel without the creation concerns. Imagine how much better his numbers would look if he were playing at Duke.

[Arsenal]

KJ is a much better prospect than Nipples. Finally you guys admit Kon benefited from the perfect situation unlike plenty of other guys.

[OleSchool]

Of the guards/wings, I really think Kasparas should be the third pick. Self created mid range and rim shots, FT%, ballhandling, assists. The 3pt upside. 6’6. I don’t even care about the lack of dunks. This draft is poo poo, so we should go for the star indicators.

He's 2nd on my board for the Sixers. Only behind Jordan recarnate, VJ

[76ciology]

Of the guards/wings, I really think Kasparas should be the third pick. Self created mid range and rim shots, FT%, ballhandling, assists. The 3pt upside. 6’6. I don’t even care about the lack of dunks. This draft is poo poo, so we should go for the star indicators.

He's 2nd on my board for the Sixers. Only behind Jordan recarnate, VJ

Almost same. But I had it the other way around.
I think Im fine now to have VJ as my second choice, where I’d slide Tre to be my third.

[76ciology]

SGA and Jalen Williams are both 6’5”–6’6” with wingspans ranging from 6’10” to 7’2”, giving them the effective size of a 3 or even a 4. But what makes them special is that they have the skill, feel, and quickness of star guards, making them absolute mismatch nightmares.

[NYSixersFan]

LMAO come on man. That ain't basic for a SG. If Bailey could pass like that he'd be in convo with Flagg for 1 lmao

I appreciate you still having my quotes from 8-10 years ago. Clearly taken out of context, but still....

Out of context??? Those 3 posts are literally back to back posting that YOU posted lmao

The only reason I bring this up now is because it's somewhat relevant to Morey.

I was referring to specifics of the plan, but without giving specifics to what players I would trade for since I didn't know what players were available.

It's similar to last off-season with Morey....I had said back then I wanted no part of PG and that his plan sucked. Could I give you specifics to what I would have done? No, because I don't know everyone that was available.

[Arsenal]

Watching Jalen Williams, I’m ready to trade the LAC 1st to snag Cedric Coward in the mid-teens.