The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

[lilfishi22]

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Green and #10 is fine but I'll need Jabari and at least one of our picks back as well.

[TeamTragic]

Heat can end this by offering Ware/Jovic/picks.

Otherwise we can pivot to the Wolves/Raptors.

[TeamTragic]

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Green and #10 is fine but I'll need Jabari and at least one of our picks back as well.

Not happening which is why they won't get KD.

[lilfishi22]

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Dillingham, the 17th and 31st picks and the Minne 32' 1st needs to he in there too because just Gobert and Di Vincenzo isn't getting anything done.

Neither are these. Dillingham just came off a disappointing rookie year, those 17 and 31 picks aren't of much value and that Minny 2032 is just too far out for me to really place any sort of concrete value on it. Of course, Gobert and DDV does nothing for me

[Mulhollanddrive]

Houston without our picks is against the whole point of trading there

[Sunsdeuce]

All this nonsense just makes me realize we have no chance to be good till 2032. Might as well just sell the team Ishbia or move it to Detroit. Ishbia is going broke, he sold off all our assets, doesn’t admit mistakes. This all sucks so bad. I’m tired of watching other teams (teams who haven’t even been in existence as long as the Suns) win championships.

At least Jerry made it fun to be a fan year after year after year. The last two decades have been brutal.

[lilfishi22]

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Green and #10 is fine but I'll need Jabari and at least one of our picks back as well.

Not happening which is why they won't get KD.

Don't think they are dealbreakers (imo). I think Jabari is on the table. I think one of our picks could be on the table too considering they own 3 of them.

I just don't think Green has signficant value and they know including him isn't adding a ton to the overall package other than salary.

Amen and Sengun imo are the only super dealbreakers.

[starbosa10]

Green and #10 is fine but I'll need Jabari and at least one of our picks back as well.

Not happening which is why they won't get KD.

Don't think they are dealbreakers (imo). I think Jabari is on the table. I think one of our picks could be on the table too considering they own 3 of them.

I just don't think Green has signficant value and they know including him isn't adding a ton to the overall package other than salary.

Amen and Sengun imo are the only super dealbreakers.

I'd take Green, Jabari, #10, and one of 27/29.

I'm guessing the hold up is our future picks.

[lilfishi22]

Not happening which is why they won't get KD.

Don't think they are dealbreakers (imo). I think Jabari is on the table. I think one of our picks could be on the table too considering they own 3 of them.

I just don't think Green has signficant value and they know including him isn't adding a ton to the overall package other than salary.

Amen and Sengun imo are the only super dealbreakers.

I'd take Green, Jabari, #10, and one of 27/29.

I'm guessing the hold up is our future picks.

Probably need an extra salary filler but I think that's fine value imo. Doesn't blow us away but honestly, nothing out there rumored I've seen is really blowing anything away.

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Dillingham, the 17th and 31st picks and the Minne 32' 1st needs to he in there too because just Gobert and Di Vincenzo isn't getting anything done.

Neither are these. Dillingham just came off a disappointing rookie year, those 17 and 31 picks aren't of much value and that Minny 2032 is just too far out for me to really place any sort of concrete value on it. Of course, Gobert and DDV does nothing for me

Trading with the Wolves would keep the Suns in the 30-36 wins a year column for the next half-decade with no hope of any upside on the roster. And I'm actually being very generous saying that because the Suns would likely just top out at 36 wins and it would be downhill from that point.

[starbosa10]

Don't think they are dealbreakers (imo). I think Jabari is on the table. I think one of our picks could be on the table too considering they own 3 of them.

I just don't think Green has signficant value and they know including him isn't adding a ton to the overall package other than salary.

Amen and Sengun imo are the only super dealbreakers.

I'd take Green, Jabari, #10, and one of 27/29.

I'm guessing the hold up is our future picks.

Probably need an extra salary filler but I think that's fine value imo. Doesn't blow us away but honestly, nothing out there rumored I've seen is really blowing anything away.

Think Jock is the salary filler lol

[starbosa10]

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Dillingham, the 17th and 31st picks and the Minne 32' 1st needs to he in there too because just Gobert and Di Vincenzo isn't getting anything done.

Neither are these. Dillingham just came off a disappointing rookie year, those 17 and 31 picks aren't of much value and that Minny 2032 is just too far out for me to really place any sort of concrete value on it. Of course, Gobert and DDV does nothing for me

Trading with the Wolves would keep the Suns in the 30-36 wins a year column for the next half-decade with no hope of any upside on the roster. And I'm actually being very generous saying that because the Suns would likely just top out at 36 wins and it would be downhill from that point.

Yeah if the wolves offer is just Rudy, ddv, 17, 31 and some crappy future 1st. That's so mediocre

[TeamTragic]

Neither are these. Dillingham just came off a disappointing rookie year, those 17 and 31 picks aren't of much value and that Minny 2032 is just too far out for me to really place any sort of concrete value on it. Of course, Gobert and DDV does nothing for me

Trading with the Wolves would keep the Suns in the 30-36 wins a year column for the next half-decade with no hope of any upside on the roster. And I'm actually being very generous saying that because the Suns would likely just top out at 36 wins and it would be downhill from that point.

Yeah if the wolves offer is just Rudy, ddv, 17, 31 and some crappy future 1st. That's so mediocre

Rockets offer is worse from what we have heard. Wolves/Raptors are currently the best packages.

[starbosa10]

Trading with the Wolves would keep the Suns in the 30-36 wins a year column for the next half-decade with no hope of any upside on the roster. And I'm actually being very generous saying that because the Suns would likely just top out at 36 wins and it would be downhill from that point.

Yeah if the wolves offer is just Rudy, ddv, 17, 31 and some crappy future 1st. That's so mediocre

Rockets offer is worse from what we have heard. Wolves/Raptors are currently the best packages.

I just wish wolves had better draft capital. At least raps have #9

[lilfishi22]

Trading with the Wolves would keep the Suns in the 30-36 wins a year column for the next half-decade with no hope of any upside on the roster. And I'm actually being very generous saying that because the Suns would likely just top out at 36 wins and it would be downhill from that point.

Yeah if the wolves offer is just Rudy, ddv, 17, 31 and some crappy future 1st. That's so mediocre

Rockets offer is worse from what we have heard. Wolves/Raptors are currently the best packages.

What we've heard is talks of Jabari, Green and the #10 pick. Not sure we have enough concrete details about what potential future first is being discussed but that alone is already better than what Minny has to offer.

With Minny, you essentially have one guy on the tail end of his prime, one guy who is 28 and basically is who he is, #17 in a pretty top heavy draft, a 2nd rounder pick and something in 2032 which could be something or it could be sweet FA.

[lilfishi22]

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Dillingham, the 17th and 31st picks and the Minne 32' 1st needs to he in there too because just Gobert and Di Vincenzo isn't getting anything done.

Neither are these. Dillingham just came off a disappointing rookie year, those 17 and 31 picks aren't of much value and that Minny 2032 is just too far out for me to really place any sort of concrete value on it. Of course, Gobert and DDV does nothing for me

Trading with the Wolves would keep the Suns in the 30-36 wins a year column for the next half-decade with no hope of any upside on the roster. And I'm actually being very generous saying that because the Suns would likely just top out at 36 wins and it would be downhill from that point.

100%. And doing it for what? some crappy picks in this year's draft and something 6 years down the track?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Neither are these. Dillingham just came off a disappointing rookie year, those 17 and 31 picks aren't of much value and that Minny 2032 is just too far out for me to really place any sort of concrete value on it. Of course, Gobert and DDV does nothing for me

Trading with the Wolves would keep the Suns in the 30-36 wins a year column for the next half-decade with no hope of any upside on the roster. And I'm actually being very generous saying that because the Suns would likely just top out at 36 wins and it would be downhill from that point.

Yeah if the wolves offer is just Rudy, ddv, 17, 31 and some crappy future 1st. That's so mediocre

Well again, it's important to consider what you would do with, how you might utilize those specific pieces in this particular outcome scenario. Currently, Dillingham is still a young, recent top 8 lotto pick prospect with percieved upside potential.

Therefore he could return decent value if moved elsewhere to a team needing a young scoring guard. Or a scoring punch off the bench on a cost controlled contract. Which should also bring value under our current CBA.

The 17th pick and 31st picks obviously put us in much better range to actually acquire higher upside/ impact talents in the draft than just the 29th and 52nd picks that we currently have.

And Gobert is still a top defensive and rebounding center that is starting caliber, OR could be moved elsewhere for other pieces and more picks if we choose to.

Lastly, Di Vincenzo gives us more flexibility to trade either he or Allen with O'neale to acquire other pieces and assets while still being able to keep the other for vet shooting depth/ floor spacing.

So sure, this trade isn't ideal. But it's not terrible if you look at it from the simplistic lens of acquiring assets towards flexibility to make other moves going forward. And to acquire more young pieces that are cost controlled to grow with our core around Booker (via the draft).

I'd prefer the Toronto Raptors trade for the 9th pick and players we could trade elsewhere. Or maybe the Houston trade with our 10th pick. BUT if teams are going to intentionally lowball us for KD, citing his age and contract as leverage points,

Then I'd acquiesce to just acquire other assets without those conditions that we would have more time and options to move!

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[Ghost of Kleine]

Neither are these. Dillingham just came off a disappointing rookie year, those 17 and 31 picks aren't of much value and that Minny 2032 is just too far out for me to really place any sort of concrete value on it. Of course, Gobert and DDV does nothing for me

Trading with the Wolves would keep the Suns in the 30-36 wins a year column for the next half-decade with no hope of any upside on the roster. And I'm actually being very generous saying that because the Suns would likely just top out at 36 wins and it would be downhill from that point.

100%. And doing it for what? some crappy picks in this year's draft and something 6 years down the track?

Whether it comes as a surprise to anyone really, we as a team aren't competing for anything notable anytime soon anyways.


People need to try and be more open minded about our disadvantageous situation and look at these possibilities as acquiring other assets to make more moves in the future and create more flexibility with these different acquired assets. It's kind of about resetting our current asset/ trade timeline.

And even though this draft has seen a lot of premium talent withdraw from the draft, there's still some pretty intruiging talent that could be farmed at various ranges. Lastly, those picks 6 yrs down the line should carry very solid percieved value. Same as our 31' 1st was percieved to possess.

But either way, it's still a future asset that fan he moved purposefully if our front office is diligent at all?

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Dillingham, the 17th and 31st picks and the Minne 32' 1st needs to he in there too because just Gobert and Di Vincenzo isn't getting anything done.

Neither are these. Dillingham just came off a disappointing rookie year, those 17 and 31 picks aren't of much value and that Minny 2032 is just too far out for me to really place any sort of concrete value on it. Of course, Gobert and DDV does nothing for me

Trading with the Wolves would keep the Suns in the 30-36 wins a year column for the next half-decade with no hope of any upside on the roster. And I'm actually being very generous saying that because the Suns would likely just top out at 36 wins and it would be downhill from that point.

But you can't really say that with any certainty man because you can't predict what kind of follow up moves we might entertain in the coming years much less what our cap situation and free agency moves might look like post follow up moves and roster changes ( Beal coming off the books, etc)??

Also, it can't be predicted what kind of impact whatever prospects we'd choose to draft might have for our team. I mean, who was expecting Dunn and Oso to make the impact that they did in limited/ restricted opportunities?

Acquiring these players (Gobert, Di Vincenzo, etc) gives us more variance in differing assets, salaries, etc to make other moves that we obviously couldn't under the conditions that KD is attached to. Again, it all depends upon what we might be able to do with the pieces we'd get back from a KD trade man.